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FireProf
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 Posted - 02/21/2005 : 01:50:16 AM
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DaffyTaffy2,
We are pulling for you and that winning lottery ticket.
We'll be one of the first to book a reservation when it happens!
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DaffyTaffy2
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Posted - 02/21/2005 : 1:13:00 PM
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Keep on pullin nobody won Friday!! Goes off again tomarrow! You'll all get a personal invitation! 
Jo
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chic
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Posted - 02/22/2005 : 07:56:36 AM
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Jo,
Good luck !
Chic
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Jochanaan
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 Posted - 02/23/2005 : 2:25:31 PM
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It sounds as if you're suggesting that non-topfree places must be designated so, just as certain restaurants or events say "proper attire required". I like that idea. Remember, to most of us "proper attire" is no attire at all!
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Originally posted by gc608
I have been reading the posts on the topless equality issue and thought I would give my 2 cents worth.
To me it is an equity issue for women; if men can do it why cant women? But the reality is in the US, society in most places view the female breasts as something to be covered up while I do not (and neither does my wife). That the nice thing about the US you are free to have different beliefs and views on life, but we still have to live together. So here is what me and my wife thought the states could do:
1. Rule that the female breasts are not sex organs they are no different then male breasts (after all I have seen men with bigger breasts then most women). And that they could only be fined for exposing them after a second warning from a police officer to put a top on.
2. If the county has no designated place where women can be topless then wherever a man can be topless so can a woman. And the places they the counties dictate that can be topless have to be comparable to the places where they are not allowed.
Example 1: A county has several public pools or beaches but none of them a designated as topless then the women will have the right to be topless at anyone of them and cannot be asked or fined if she does not put a top on. If the county has a pool and a beach that is designated as topless then after the initial warning she could be fined. The catch is they have to be comparable. The places that are designated as topless have to have the same amenities and be up kept the same as places that where being topless is not allowed.
Example 2: If the city or county has designated a pool as topless but not a beach then the woman can go topless only in the pool designated as topless but since there isn’t a beach that is designated that way then she can go topless at anyone of them. The beach that is topless has to be comparable to the ones that are not.
3. I have a big pet pev being able to do what ever I want on my land that I pay taxes on. So here's what I think about being topless or nude on your own property. If the person complaining has to make an effort to see you then you can not be asked or fined to cover up. Example you are topless in you back yard doing yard work you have a privacy fence and someone peeks though the cracks to see and complains. You can not be fined or ask to cover up because that person had to make an effort to see you. If he doesn’t want to see you then don’t look. But if say you are in the front yard in plain view, then you could be fined but only after you have been asked(by a police officer not you neighbors) to put a top on and refused.
The thing here is you have to be somewhat accommodating to others, they do not share you beliefs or views. The rules I explained above to me seem a good way for all to enjoy life. I realize that some people may not want their children to see my wife’s breasts and I as a good neighbor I have to take that into account. But also they should not force us to go to out of the way places they should try to accommodate us also. They argument on both sides seems to be all or none never any comprise.
Tell me what you think:
topless_freedom@hotmail.com
Forum monitors do not worry about the email address it is temporary and will be deleted after I while I am just curious on the responses.
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wood592
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Posted - 03/04/2005 : 3:46:00 PM
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Well women should be able to go topless if they want. But as for me as a guy I sometimes feel that if you see those boobs to much everyday it destroys the true beauty and magic of a womans breasts. Thus actually there were would probably be fewer rapes if all women went around nude becuase it would just be the norm. Men would nolonger have the pasion to worship the female body if it is put on display to often. Just my thoughts.
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balataf
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Posted - 06/11/2006 : 11:29:07 PM
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I have read bits and pieces of this thread but not the complete 18 pages.
In cultural anthropology, the vast majority of human societies have gyrated long-term between eras of bare breasts and eras of visible female leg. Many cultures have done this, with legs being visible in early medieval England, thru the "topless" look of the 1500s and early 1600s when legs were completely hidden, with some continuation til 1800. Then with the 1920s, legs were open again. If the bosom re-emerges, you can bet that styles will swerve again to cover legs.
Actually, there have been times and cultures where both were hidden, so the styles switched to emphasizing ladies' rears, either with a bustle (wire rear "falsie,") or selected rear-only displays.
The comparatively few exceptions to this either/or rule are mostly in tropical Africa, but disappearing with the spread of "modernism."
That visibility would be de-eroticising breasts is laughable. Women's beautiful legs have been on display for almost a century, but men (including myself,) are still aroused by them constantly,
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DutchFromZH
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Posted - 10/23/2006 : 10:42:53 AM
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To me there is only one answer. We are equal, thus a women can do what men is doing for ages allready. Can't believe those breasts being locked up their whole live....... So hope we will see in the very near future equally behaving people......
Tony
I am an openminded person, who enjoys freedoms as our generation stands for.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 10/24/2006 : 2:10:59 PM
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Society as a whole will never me "mature enough" to let women be topless openly in public. Just as they will never allow nudity in public.
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Taxman
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 4:40:24 PM
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I propose an alternative to allnaturalwife’s opinion that society would ever become mature enough to allow women to be topless openly in public.
I think a large segment of society is mature enough. They just need to more aggressively take on the religious groups and loosen their controls in our state capitals and courts. History is full of examples where the “Church” strongly opposed something and today doing the activity is taken for granted and normal.
The one hidden force to get around will be our industrial base and related unions. What incentive does the retail industry have in people buying and or using less clothing? Going hand in hand with this would be the unions-loss of jobs.
I feel that we can or are reaching the point where attitude will allow topless freedom. Will we be able to quickly get around the campaign dollars that would line up against this movement by the our industrial and union groups?
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HG8Harrier
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 5:03:05 PM
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Taxman,
I don't think it is unreasonable for us to believe that toplessness will be allowed amongst both sexes. Heck, I have even seen it on a college campus... not sexual or sunbathing or as a joke, but two women exercising. Okay, it may have been some sort of joke or spectacle... but there wasn't the cat-calling or vulgarity to suggest that it was two women on exhibition.
Howevermuch I believe that nudism should be accepted into mainstream society, there are certain places in which I would question its function. For instance, nudism in the classroom would not be productive UNLESS it was a school on the grounds of a nudist resort, but even then... any teacher that believes that they can control the minds of teens is delusional.
However, why would fashion care if nudism did take hold in mainstream society? After all, fashionistas are more concerned with what people wear on Fifth Avenue than they are about what goes on at Central Park. If women are playing frisbee topless in the park, how does that really threaten people that shop at Saks? In addition, even nudists/top-free advocates can't be naked all the time. If you don't believe me, best of luck in Buffalo in winter!
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 5:10:22 PM
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That is an interesting angle to approach the issue,Taxman. However I still believe nudists will never make up a large enough population to enforce change. The only way that will happen is if the majority nudists who are children now, such as mine, all go into government and "phase out" all the ultra-conservatives. That would have to happen on such a large scale that, although technically feasable, NOT really likely. We, as nudists can incease education about our lifestyle,and yes of course "convert" as many others to join us as possible. I dont think a uptopian society where we can all walk around our local mall naked will ever happen. With continued increasing numbers of new nudists, we can open more beaches and maybe all beaches up to be at least nude friendly,as are many european countries. We can build more nudist resorts and nudist clubs. But I believe nudism will still be confined to designated areas. In time there will be a more "relaxed" attitude, Im sure. But I dont see us being able to be nude any place we want. Who knows? Hope Im wrong. Wouldnt that be fun!!
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gospel
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Posted - 10/25/2006 : 8:19:48 PM
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I agree with Jenn that there is not a chance that the country at large or even a particular part of the country will ever allow women to go topless in public. For one thing there are too many out there that just could not handle the sight of a bare chested woman without going into sexual overdrive. We who are nudists are used to the idea that there is such a thing as non sexual nudity but the vast majority of men and women in this country don't even know that it exists. It would be a wonderful thing if it did someday come to that but I know it never will. All the near bare breasted and sometimes bare breasted events that I see on TV are sexually oriented and I have been roundly criticized for suggesting that nudity can be non sexual.
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jim19452
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Posted - 10/26/2006 : 11:59:24 AM
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That visibility would be de-eroticising breasts is laughable. Women's beautiful legs have been on display for almost a century, but men (including myself,) are still aroused by them constantly,
I watched 'The Dukes of Hazzard' last night and greatly enjoyed Daisey Duke's beauty and particularly her bare legs. I did not tire of her legs 20 years ago (or whenever) didn't last night and won't next time either. Some fool of a female anthropoligist claimed that men's pleasure of bare breasted women was because they were normally covered. She isn't qualified to teach anywhere.
Best Wishes, Jim
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 10/27/2006 : 3:18:32 PM
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I agree jim19452. My husband is used to seing my boobs all the time,and after 20 years of marriage he still doesnt get tired of them! Thats just silly.
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dragonfly
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Posted - 10/27/2006 : 9:33:27 PM
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I started this topic 2 years ago. I Check the board every now and then but have not had much to comment on. I do find it interesting how this topic is still active. I have met more women who want the freedom of choice to be topless or not. It seems that when it comes to personal freedoms and equality as a sociaty we are all talk. Some one once told me we have freedom as long as it does not infring on another. Florida Supream Court just ruled in favore of a womens right to protest topless may be its time to start a protest.
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