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OLD BUZZARD
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Posted - 02/11/2007 : 7:01:52 PM
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after reading most of the replys in this topic of women going topless and saying that they have the right to go topless,,,,, no they dont it is against the law and i would think the women would be op in arms about this. they dont have equal rights and its about time they made a strong point of acheving equal rights enough said ...the old buzzard
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asmodee
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Posted - 02/12/2007 : 4:27:53 PM
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I think this country is about equality as much as freedom these days. Say in public that Asians are better at math or that black men are better at sports and see where that gets you. Even though you are claiming a particular race to be better at something it is still considered stereotypical and, thus, racist. In a society like this, why wouldn't men and women be equal? There have been some strange arguments on this subject, in my opinion. Women's breasts serve a different function, for instance. Steak serves a different function than a cow, but nobody has ever complained to me, seeing one openly displayed on my plate. So what if the function is different? And what about size? I've known women who were completely flat chested, or nearly so, and men with a B cup or better, size-wise. So really, the argument all comes down to one thing; some people find it offensive to see an exposed female chest, regardless of size. To this day some people still find it offensive to see an exposed male chest, most notably in fundamentalist religious circles. We forget that, regardless where we live on this planet, in no country are we guaranteed the right to not be offended. It is impossible to ensure that I, as an individual, am never offended by what I see or hear or experience. It is not my right to not be offended and it happens on a daily basis. Women are different in so many areas from men. When "I Dream of Genie" was on TV, it was illegal to show belly button, though she did it anyway. That law seems a little silly now in an age where it is routine to show off your belly button piercing.
The bottom line is the undisputed "men and women are different." So what? How I, as an individual, see the breasts of some woman walking down the street, bare or covered, is my problem, not hers. I don't see why our society always has to take a problem one individual has with another individual or group and reflect it back on to them as if they are the ones with the problem. And what are the arguments against it? I have seen two. One, men and women are different. That's not an argument. That's a statement and an obvious fact. The other, "It offends me." As I stated, nobody has the right not to be offended. Here is an example:
One person brought up the old religious argument early in the thread that it takes more faith to be an atheist than it does to be religious. I am an atheist and I find that statement offensive. I am very offended by people telling me what I think or how I feel. It has happened several times since I started posting on this board. It is about the most offensive thing in the world to me. I believe that statement on faith is an attempt to trivialize my beliefs by asserting that only a less intelligent person would proclaim to not have faith and, at the same time, believe there is no God. He even went so far as to say that a belief in the scientific explanation of the creation of the universe was equivalent to a belief in magic. For the record, it takes far less faith to believe in the possibility of something for which there is scientific proof than to believe in an absolute for which no definitive proof exists or is even offered by its proponents. That being said, I feel better now. That poster did not intend to offend me...or maybe he did. Maybe he doesn't like atheists and he tries his hardest to annoy them at every opportunity. And if he did intend to offend me, so what? It is his right to make whatever statement he likes. It is his right to say to all that what I believe is the equivalent of saying that the universe was laid in an egg by a giant magic chicken, if that is what he wishes to say. Would it offend me? Yes, it probably would. That does not make it any less his right to express his opinion, even if that opinion is to tell me how I feel or what I think, no matter how inaccurate his assumptions are or how much it bugs me to have him assert his opinion of my beliefs as factua
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 02/12/2007 : 5:28:30 PM
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Bottom line: Our society(mostly the US) is way too immature to EVER be able to allow women to walk around in public topless, such as men do. Sad but true.
Jennifer
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Cookie
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 Posted - 02/12/2007 : 8:50:00 PM
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All I know is my wife can't wait to take her bra off, and be braless, and even better is being topless.
When there is a chill in the air, she may throw on a tee shirt, but come summer, "forget about it"!!!
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bornnude
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Posted - 02/13/2007 : 07:30:57 AM
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Originally posted by allnaturalwife
Bottom line: Our society(mostly the US) is way too immature to EVER be able to allow women to walk around in public topless, such as men do. Sad but true.
Jennifer
It depends on the state or locality. From what I understand, it is LEGAL for women to be top free in New York among others.
Whether it is wise is certainly a different question. I agree with you, most of society is much too childish for that to happen regularly.
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asmodee
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Posted - 02/13/2007 : 5:05:30 PM
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You don't see a lot of women walking around New York or Main topless, even though the law says they can. That being the case, I really don't see it as a big deal. Even if it is made legal nation wide, most women would not do it. My wife says she would never walk around public topless, but she was very adamant about the fact that she should have the same rights as a man, regardless.
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OLD BUZZARD
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Posted - 02/13/2007 : 10:05:31 PM
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as far as womens rights to go topless in public in the u.s.a.in most places it is against the law. women do not have equal rights as a male. granted most would not go topless if it was legal.but those who wanted at least could without being arested. i think it would be up to those who wanted to......the old buzzard
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balataf
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 3:22:24 PM
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Dammit! Women's equipment is just so much more INTERESTING.
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Jimmy D
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Posted - 02/19/2007 : 12:01:41 PM
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As Stu said.."..female breast are still an intimate part of the body in our culture...' It was also in our culture to give a woman a slap now and then, but that didn't make it right or good. It was also OK, perhaps part of our culture to refer to black people as...It was also a part of our society to burn people at the stake for witchery. As we advance, we start to rid of ourselves dark and backward ideas. Hopefully in time will let gay people have the same rights, not worry about "oh my God, I see her Breast" and a few other things that I hope will be in history books rather than something I have to cope with or watch others have to cope with. Just my 2 cents
Jimmy D
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StuffedTiger
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Posted - 02/19/2007 : 9:27:46 PM
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Dammit! Women's equipment is just so much more INTERESTING.
It seems to me that most people find nature interesting. In particular, we are social animals and seem to find other people to be among the most interesting parts of nature. If you find women's natural equipment interesting, so what?
That doesn't excuse fixating on that interest (as our culture and laws do). That doesn't justify excluding all the rest of a person (as porn does). That doesn't mean we should elevate it to the unnatural (as some fashions and religions do). Right? I mean, if that equipment were in the way of you watching the Super Bowl, you'd ask it to move. Right? There's interesting and then there's interesting. :-)
The thing is, just because we find someone else's body interesting doesn't give us any rights over them. I say that with all seriousness because many women have found themselves abused by men who think it does.
Let me stress that, however much our thoughts are our own, treating someone else as if they were our sex object is a sickness. IMHO, no one's fleeting sexual fantasy should dictate how anyone else is forced to textile themselves.
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anc35228
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Posted - 02/19/2007 : 9:49:38 PM
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State of NY... from what i understand, women are allowed to go topless
http://360.yahoo.com/anc35228
soak in the rays!!.. :)
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Cheri
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Posted - 02/20/2007 : 09:48:09 AM
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State of NY... from what i understand, women are allowed to go topless
http://360.yahoo.com/anc35228
soak in the rays!!.. :)
If you need any of the public indecency/indecent exposure state laws, they can be found via TNS's website. Just click on the NAC/NEF link. http://www.naturistsociety.com
You are correct in that it is a NY state law. However, occasionally there are some municipalities that insist on creating their own laws even though the state has a broader brush.
Cheri
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Jimmy D
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Posted - 02/23/2007 : 12:08:06 PM
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Cheri, I can tell you are a very imformed nudist. You always make sense and are well knowleged. What you said about State laws vs municipalities is correct and makes for a sometimes confusing delema. There's also Fed vs State laws. eg; in Marlylnd they do not allow nudity. Feds allow it and thats why who can often be naked on Federal land. If you go to Assategue, one half is Federal and one half is State. I, of couse went to the Federal side to find out I could NOT be naked. When I ask one of the rangers about this, he told me that although the state can not dictate to the Feds to adopt a "clothes on" policy, the Feds do so in order to "work with" the state.
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Cheri
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Posted - 02/23/2007 : 1:47:58 PM
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Cheri, I can tell you are a very imformed nudist. You always make sense and are well knowleged. What you said about State laws vs municipalities is correct and makes for a sometimes confusing delema. There's also Fed vs State laws. eg; in Marlylnd they do not allow nudity. Feds allow it and thats why who can often be naked on Federal land. If you go to Assategue, one half is Federal and one half is State. I, of couse went to the Federal side to find out I could NOT be naked. When I ask one of the rangers about this, he told me that although the state can not dictate to the Feds to adopt a "clothes on" policy, the Feds do so in order to "work with" the state.
Jimmy D
Jimmy, You might want to do a search on these forums for Federal laws. It is not always legal to be nude on Federal lands.
Cheri
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DuffyDaDawg
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Posted - 02/23/2007 : 7:54:29 PM
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I live in Eugene oregon where it is legal for women to walk down the street topless, go figure.
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