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justbob
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 Posted - 12/09/2004 : 07:09:32 AM
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Jochahaan,
I think using the words "archaic" and "oppresive" are a bit much when talking about toplessness. I take your point regarding how society might change-but in this culture and at this time-it is socially unacceptable for a woman to expose her breasts.
BobS,
I could accuse you of stealing my indentity!
JustBob
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Jochanaan
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Posted - 12/09/2004 : 10:14:54 PM
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JustBob, the word I used was "anachronistic", not "archaic". Get it right! 
And I do see society moving toward allowing topfreedom. Those trying to maintain the status quo are beginning to look foolish in the face of legal challenges that point out the absurdity of laws that allow topfreedom for men but not women, just because "some men can't control themselves". Look at sites like the Topfree Equal Rights Association (http://www.tera.ca) or Women's Choice (http://www.geocities.com/womens_choice_org/topfreedom.html), and you'll see the details of some of these legal challenges.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 12/10/2004 : 12:34:26 AM
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Those sites are examples of proof that it's not just men who want women to have topfree rights.
Obviously not all, but many women do too.
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justbob
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Posted - 12/11/2004 : 7:04:39 PM
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Jochanaan,
Thx for the links...I've seen that before. A few women want it-and the VAST majority don't. I am simply not seeing this being an issue (any issue infact) with women. I remembered reading a poll conducted in New York (a State where it is claimed toplessness is legal) and that poll indicated the majority of women where opposed. If they are opposed in general-and we have a few loony tunes asking for it-it won't happen.
Add to that-court cases have generally not gone well for this-public sentiment is not supportive-I just don't see it. Infact, I don't see it at all-because I am not seeing women taking to the streets asking for it (are you?); virtually no play in the media or on TV.
Curious why you want it..
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Bob S.
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 01:35:28 AM
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What is your real first name Doug/Datona/John? I don't know what it is.
Why are you here? You have been banned and have said that people should respect the masses. The masses spoke loud and clear and have said that we don't want you.
"I remembered reading a poll conducted in New York..."
If that was the poll that was reported on Netnude, http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/6107/USA/Jun0897NYDaily.html then I will counter with my own arguments, which you already read as Steve.
There were no official poll results. This was just an article that talked about the poll. In fact, the one poll question that was reported showed the poll to be wholly unscientific and useless, except for entertainment's sake. The question asked how people felt they looked in a bathing suit, the answers given were: "trim and fit, a little out of shape, a lot out of shape, downright baggy and saggy, 100-pound weakling, and don't know".
Those are not answers that would be found in a scientific poll whose results can be used to show anything. This was also an article from seven years ago, hardly a telling sign of how people would respond today.
"Curious why you want it.."
Because sex discrimination is bad. If a man can be topless with the exact same breasts as a woman has (and there are men with that abnormality), then there is no reason why women should not be able to bare their breasts as well. Unless you can think of a reason why.
Can you give us a legal reason why women should not be able to bare their breasts?
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boyntonbeachman
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 12:41:41 PM
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I've been out of New York for several years now, but I do remember in walking over to Lighthouse Beach, the adjoining beach which was terxtile, had quite a few topless females. Why they chose to stay on the textile side as opposed to the c/o side is a mystrery to me, but they were there.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 5:39:54 PM
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Originally posted by boyntonbeachman
...Lighthouse Beach, the adjoining beach which was terxtile, had quite a few topless females. Why they chose to stay on the textile side as opposed to the c/o side is a mystrery to me, but they were there.
Meyer Markon
Who knows, possibly because they can. Possibly to illustrate that they can. But in any case, it demonstrates that it is legal whether or not some people care to admit it.
Miami is like that. They have an excellent clothing optional beach, but topless is allowed on all of them. And there are plenty of topless women on all of them.
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Cheri
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Posted - 12/12/2004 : 10:46:48 PM
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Randy, Topless was allowed on South Beach, c/o at Haulover. There's plenty of beachfront, I believe, that is not that way in Miami/South Florida.
Hugs, Cheri
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 12/13/2004 : 01:16:51 AM
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Maybe I'm mistaken. (That's not outside the realm of possibility .) But I thought I read that all of the Miami beaches permitted it. I know I saw a lot of topless women on the beach in North Miami in the area north of Haulover. Also down in Lummus Park. I did just read on AOL City Guide-South Florida that "the police seem to ignore it at Lummus Park." So maybe it isn't legal there and people just do it anyway.
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gc608
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Posted - 02/18/2005 : 12:34:08 PM
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I have been reading the posts on the topless equality issue and thought I would give my 2 cents worth.
To me it is an equity issue for women; if men can do it why cant women? But the reality is in the US, society in most places view the female breasts as something to be covered up while I do not (and neither does my wife). That the nice thing about the US you are free to have different beliefs and views on life, but we still have to live together. So here is what me and my wife thought the states could do:
1. Rule that the female breasts are not sex organs they are no different then male breasts (after all I have seen men with bigger breasts then most women). And that they could only be fined for exposing them after a second warning from a police officer to put a top on.
2. If the county has no designated place where women can be topless then wherever a man can be topless so can a woman. And the places they the counties dictate that can be topless have to be comparable to the places where they are not allowed.
Example 1: A county has several public pools or beaches but none of them a designated as topless then the women will have the right to be topless at anyone of them and cannot be asked or fined if she does not put a top on. If the county has a pool and a beach that is designated as topless then after the initial warning she could be fined. The catch is they have to be comparable. The places that are designated as topless have to have the same amenities and be up kept the same as places that where being topless is not allowed.
Example 2: If the city or county has designated a pool as topless but not a beach then the woman can go topless only in the pool designated as topless but since there isn’t a beach that is designated that way then she can go topless at anyone of them. The beach that is topless has to be comparable to the ones that are not.
3. I have a big pet pev being able to do what ever I want on my land that I pay taxes on. So here's what I think about being topless or nude on your own property. If the person complaining has to make an effort to see you then you can not be asked or fined to cover up. Example you are topless in you back yard doing yard work you have a privacy fence and someone peeks though the cracks to see and complains. You can not be fined or ask to cover up because that person had to make an effort to see you. If he doesn’t want to see you then don’t look. But if say you are in the front yard in plain view, then you could be fined but only after you have been asked(by a police officer not you neighbors) to put a top on and refused.
The thing here is you have to be somewhat accommodating to others, they do not share you beliefs or views. The rules I explained above to me seem a good way for all to enjoy life. I realize that some people may not want their children to see my wife’s breasts and I as a good neighbor I have to take that into account. But also they should not force us to go to out of the way places they should try to accommodate us also. They argument on both sides seems to be all or none never any comprise.
Tell me what you think:
topless_freedom@hotmail.com
Forum monitors do not worry about the email address it is temporary and will be deleted after I while I am just curious on the responses.
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sparky54
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Posted - 02/19/2005 : 11:40:53 AM
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what is so sad is how America is suppose to be so open and also our freedom of rights. I spent 5yrs in Scotland and nudity was not really an issue. Even back in the early and mid 70's full frontal nudity on prime time TV was nearly an every night thing. Our children were young and as they grew up, it was natural. We here in the states need to loosen up some and see that the nations that have nudity have less sex crimes.
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mission594
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Posted - 02/19/2005 : 10:25:28 PM
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let me take this from another perspective, I'm am both white and native american, although I don't really like to admit to being white, so in our history, and in some parts of our current culture, toplessness as well as other clotheslessness is/was common place. even today if I have to wear clothes I would prefer to wear the same style as my ancesters did, but can I? well technically yes but realistically if I not at a pow-pow it's frowned upon, I can't for the life of me figure either one of these out, here I am in the land of my ancesters and my wife or I can't even follow the customs of my ancesters. America a free nation, maybe but why am I still opressed? Why did my fathers walk the trail of tears? why did my great great grandfather have to marry a white woman and hide his identity from the white man to prevent being deported? same problem, different issue, it all comes down to lifestyle. just because some or most don't feel as I do, doesn't mean that my customs are wrong or should be denied me.
you must first accept your body for what it is, before you can mantain or improve it.
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FireProf
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 Posted - 02/20/2005 : 12:52:03 AM
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What exactly is "white"? Is that a nationality, heritage.....sure isn't a skin color, cuz no one is really....."white"!
My wife and I are Heinz 57's
I am.....Native Indian, Mexican, Italian
My wife is....Irish, French, Dutch, German
and....we are all for topless equality but I doubt if it's ever legalized that my wife will drop her top soon after, it would probably take quite a while before she would be comfortable to do that. Besides, she hates wearing swim suits anymore so if we had the opportunity or choice, we'd still go to a nude beach.
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Admin
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Posted - 02/20/2005 : 10:17:23 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by gc608
Tell me what you think:
topless_freedom@hotmail.com
Forum monitors do not worry about the email address it is temporary and will be deleted after I while I am just curious on the responses.
Admin here. I was just wondering why you'd rather have this helpful dialogue in private? You are welcome to begin a new thread if needed for your particular question/idea. (Just begin it in the appropriate place.)
And thanks gc608 and others for sharing your views in the forum. It can help us all come to a consensus on the top-freedom issue.
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DaffyTaffy2
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 Posted - 02/20/2005 : 11:48:04 AM
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Topless equality is way over due in my opinion. America needs to get with the rest of the european comunnity and loosen up a bit! As the one writter wrote he's seen bigger breats on men then most women! So I beleive have we all!
If I wanna run around naked in my yard, my personal peice of property, the one I pay high taxes for, I should be able to do so. Freely and without complaint from prying eyes or neighbors.
My husband and I have a dream, theres a piece of land for sale in Utah, a dude ranch for around 9mil that we dream of buying and turning into a year around nudist facility/camp/recreation area.
Geuss we'lkl cantinue to play the lottery! 
Regards
Jo
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