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spadoc
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Posted - 03/31/2004 : 10:29:59 AM
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Folks,
I heartily recommend EVERYONE read Bill Williamson's letter which will be published in the May issue of the BULLETIN. Let's have the biggest and best Youth Camp in the history of AANR and we'll have it at White Tail Park in Virginia!!
Walt Iliff
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spadoc
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Posted - 04/08/2004 : 11:06:13 AM
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Folks,
This is a preview of an article that will be coming out in the May issue of the Bulletin. There is a possibility that the law may not affect this year's camp, but rather than take a chance, we are trying to make sure that no one is scared away who wants to attend this year's youth camp. Thanks for your support.
Walt Iliff
IT IS TIME FOR A DISPLAY OF UNITY
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Bill Williamson
AANR-East Trustee
In almost every society, there comes a time when there is a need to "Circle the Wagons" and not only demonstrate our unity but present a show of force. I propose that the AANR-East Youth Camp that is going to be held at White Tail Park at Ivor, Virginia on July 24-31, 2004 is one of those times.
We just incurred a major loss with the recent passage of Virginia HB #158 that will restrict the attendance of youth at the AANR East Youth Camp in Virginia to those whose parents, grandparents, or legal guardian are present on the grounds during the week of camp. Previously, the parents could submit the proper release forms and send their children to the camp just like any other youth camp. This is clear governmental discrimination against nudists.
This Bill is not only a direct assault on the AANR East Youth Camp, but it strikes at the core values of social family nudism. For 12 years, we have been developing one of the most well structured and secure camp environments for our children and grandchildren available anywhere. As nudists, we have an inherent right to send our children to a nudist youth camp just as the agriculturists have to send their children to a 4-H Club Camp and the religious groups do to send their children to a religious camp.
But NO!... The Virginia Legislature has in its wisdom decided that even though these are children that have been reared as nudists, that since they will be "naked" at this camp, their parents, grandparents and or legal guardian must be present. This is another veiled attempt to strike an initial blow at our rights to rear our children as nudists.
This is very dangerous precedent setting legislation that could precipitate a series of legislative initiatives that could become consistently more restrictive across the country! Although we are continuing to oppose this initiative, it is time we present a clear demonstration that regardless of the inhibiting restrictions, WE WILL HAVE A NUDIST YOUTH CAMP AND WE WILL EXERCISE OUR RIGHTS TO REAR OUR CHILDREN WITH THE FAMILY VALUES WE TREASURE! The best way to do that is to bring our children and grandchildren to camp and let’s have the largest youth camp in the history of the AANR Youth Camp Program—in July—IN VIRGINIA!
One would think that with the very positive articles that appeared in the New York Times and Time Magazine by non-nudist reporters who spent the requisite time on site at the Florida Camp last year to "really learn what goes on", that people would recognize the quality and safe camp experience that these youngsters enjoy at the AANR Youth Camps. But this Virginia initiative just further proves that we have a lot more work to do before we can enjoy the peace and tranquility of our serene environments without the constant overshadowing threat of unnecessary government intervention.
Resort owner and AANR-East President Bob Roche has developed an excellent array of amenities including one of the largest social halls in the nudist community, enclosed swimming pool and hot tub as well as outdoor pool and ample grounds and facilities for a truly enjoyable nudist vacation. Also there are many attractions and historic sites within easy driving distance including the Nation’s Capitol where one can enjoy a family vacation while staying at the Resort.
He is planning a special reduced rate structure for families who bring their children to camp this year. This is a great opportunity to enjoy the amenities of one of our finest resorts, help your kids have
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From the dailypress.com, Hampton Roads, Virginia - April 15, 2004
Punslinging governor amends teen nude camp bill
By BOB LEWIS
Associated Press Writer
 RICHMOND, Va. -- Gov. Mark R. Warner liked a bill that cracks down on summer camps for nude juveniles so much that he offered only a clarifying amendment to it Thursday, then announced what he'd done without sparing a pun.
"I support the bottom line intent of this bill," the Democratic governor wrote in a brief, tongue-in-cheek commentary full of double entendre. Midnight was his deadline to veto, sign or amend legislation passed during the 2004 regular General Assembly session.
"This bill has been the butt of many jokes, so with naked admiration for its patron, I am offering this amendment," his missive concluded.
The patron, Del. John S. "Jack" Reid, introduced the bill after a weeklong summer camp was held last June for nude children ages 11 to 18 at Southampton County's White Tail Park nudist community. It was the first such camp in Virginia and only the third in the nation.
"Stripped to its bare essence," as Warner wrote, the bill bars the state Department of Health from licensing any hotel, summer camp or campground that holds activities for nude minors whose parents or guardians are not "registered for or otherwise accompanying the juvenile."
Warner's amendment, offered at Reid's request to make its intent "more transparent," requires that "for a camp to obtain a license, a parent, grandparent or legal guardian must actually be revealed at the camp, not simply register."
 Lawmakers will reconvene on Wednesday to consider whether to accept or reject Warner's amendments and override any vetoes.
White Tail's owner and manager, Bob Roche, found no humor in Warner's wordsmithing and said the amendment would hurt his business.
"It's the most disgusting thing I've ever seen a governor do," Roche said in a telephone interview from White Tail, home to 35 families year-round and 140 part-time.
He said Warner's amendment is unconstitutional and he intends to sue to overturn it. Roche said White Tail is holding another au naturel camp for youths in July, but he had not yet determined whether parental presence will be compulsory.
On the Net:
Details on HB158: http://leg1.state.va.us/041/bil.htm
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calmnude
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Posted - 04/15/2004 : 11:02:44 PM
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governor warner's comments are typical of the buffoons who are sponsoring this bill. please remember Virginia citizen nudists that this is an election year and if you don't like the people who are in there, vote them out.
and even if the candidate of your choice loses, you can say you tried.
if you don't at least vote, don't come sniveling about how life is unfair, because you made no effort to make changes.
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Kimberly
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Posted - 04/16/2004 : 05:06:44 AM
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Maybe someone should have brought up that the campers' parents pay taxes too, and that people attendening camp spend money in the town. Maybe if buisness owners found out they would loose business because of this legislation, they would complain.
Kim =^.^=
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spadoc
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Posted - 04/16/2004 : 08:17:47 AM
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Kim,
We tried EVERYTHING. No stone was left unturned. This is why I get so aggravated by people who want their "right" to drive nude, walk around in an aroused state, etc etc. This is real life folks, and we have a long way to go to have our lifestyle perceived by the general public as mainstream. It also did not help that the Governor who is a democrat is in a fierce political battle over the budget. The House is Republican controlled, and one of the "good ol' boy" republican members of the House is this bill's sponsor whose support the Governor will need on other issues. The next step is a court challenge as to the constitutionality of legislation that effectively removes the decision making rights of otherwise fit parents in a blatantly discriminatory targeting of nudist parents. The Supreme Court has already ruled on a previous case as follows:
In a recent U.S. Supreme Court decision, Troxel v. Granville, 530 U.S. 57 (2000), the Court held that:
"There is a presumption that fit parents act in their children's best interests, there is normally no reason for the State to inject itself into the private realm of the family to further question fit parents' ability to make the best decisions regarding their children. It is not within the province of the State to make significant decisions concerning children merely because it could make a 'better' decision. The parents should be the ones to choose whether to expose their children to certain people or ideas."
What we WILL need help with is sending a message, loudly and clearly, to those politicians who think that they can attack us, our lifestyle, or our children with impunity. We will be targeting John Reid, the sponsor of this legislation for defeat in the next general election. What we will need to do is raise money for this purpose, and when we're ready, I'll let you all know. In the meantime, please let's all do what we can to "POSITIVELY promote nudism as a mainstream lifestyle."
Walt Iliff
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calmnude
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Posted - 04/16/2004 : 8:47:02 PM
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Walt,
what's the likelihood that the supreme court will reverse Troxel. was it a close vote or a clear majority? this is important given the age and rumored retirements of a number of justices.
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Posted - 04/16/2004 : 11:42:07 PM
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Walt I did not mean to elude that you have not left any stone unturned in trying to combat the bill. I was just saying that the only thing that seems to influence politicians is money.
I know what you mean too about people exposing themselves by driving around nude or wanting the right to walk around with an erection on the beach, it just doesn't help our cause any. Keep up the good fight Walt.
Kim =^.^=
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bornnude
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Posted - 04/17/2004 : 07:31:23 AM
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Originally posted by Kimberly
... I was just saying that the only thing that seems to influence politicians is money.
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Money is certianly one. The other seems to be the threat of not being elected again.
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spadoc
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Posted - 04/17/2004 : 10:03:49 AM
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I don't know what the vote was on Troxel. I imagine that if the Supreme Court passed it, the likelihood that it would be heard again would be very slim since once it's decided, the lower courts would be bound by its' provisions, I think. I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not a good person to ask...(any lawyers out there who may know?) My gut feeling is that like Roe v Wade, once the court decides something, its a done deal, no matter how controversial the decision may be. Bornnude has hit the nail on the head though, if we can target John Reid, the person who supported this bill and a very powerful Republican in the House AND defeat him in the next election, it will send a very strong message to ALL politicians that we do speak with one voice on issues like this.
I have also read about a threatened boycott of Virginia tourism and Virginia products by nudists all over the world. Believe me, if the politicians realized what a firestorm they have unleashed, that would send them running for political cover. Keep tuned, it's not over yet.
Walt
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calmnude
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Posted - 04/17/2004 : 10:54:27 AM
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walt,
i for one will not be buying virginia products until the current regime changes.
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Kimberly
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Posted - 04/18/2004 : 03:38:39 AM
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Looks like the domocrate Govenor ought to go too, after the puns he made about nudists.
Kim =^.^=
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Posted - 04/18/2004 : 11:59:30 AM
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Kim, as a resident of Virginia, and a front-row witness to all that's been going on surrounding this issue, I'm glad that Warner can't be elected to a second consecutive term (although he could in theory be re-elected to a second non-consecutive term, if I remember correctly). He obviously takes this issue not seriously at all, and it is only one reason among many others that I don't like the guy.
Philzer
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Kimberly
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Posted - 04/19/2004 : 03:03:19 AM
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Philzer if he had made the same comments about gays or minorities, he would have been ousted from office!
Kim =^.^=
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The Bead Man
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Posted - 04/19/2004 : 3:06:21 PM
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I bet he never skinny dipped either!
Cheers!
David
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www.thebeadman.net
The Bead Artist formerly known as Revilo42
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