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Kimberly
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Yeah right David!
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Posted - 04/21/2004 : 8:51:02 PM
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From the DailyPress.com - April 21, 2004
Au naturel
Warner's amendment dresses up legislation on nudist camps
There's nothing especially funny about legislative intrusion into the realm of parental decision-making. Nor is it comforting to think that behind the regulation of nudist camps for juveniles lurks a bit of legislative ignorance about the nudist lifestyle and mind-set.
But with that bit of grumbling out of the way, the final word - the last laugh - goes to Gov. Mark Warner. He tagged on the following to his legislative action press release last week and, well, some things are best left unadorned.
"Last year, members of the media exposed a nudist camp for teenagers in Ivor, Virginia. Stripped to its bare essence, HB 158 prohibits the Department of Health from issuing a license to any hotel, summer camp or campground that maintains or conducts a nudist camp for juveniles. I support the bottom line intent of this bill. However, since the bill passed the General Assembly, a flaw in the language has been uncovered.
"Accordingly, at the request of the patron, I am proposing an amendment to make the language of this bill more transparent: indicating that for a camp to obtain a license, a parent, grandparent or legal guardian must actually be revealed at the camp, not simply register. This bill has been the butt of many jokes, so with naked admiration for its patron, I am offering this amendment."
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The Bead Man
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Posted - 04/22/2004 : 1:31:38 PM
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At least one writer in the mainstream press has noticed that Gov. Mark Warner is ignorant.
Whatever my position on any issue, I would be very concerned to find that my government was creating laws affecting my rights, based - at least in part - on their ability to make puns.
Perhaps as part of the legal challenge to the law under way, the court should consider whether other organization could be legally restricted from having juvenile camps. For example, would it be legal to prohibit the Catholic Church from holding camps? This would be immediately be (rightly) challenged as discriminatory, but in this case, unlike with nudist camps, there is significant documented evidence of the risks to children of being in the charge of priests.
Or would the Governer sign such a bill into law, simply take advantage of the opportunity to say: "Priests do more than lay people"?
Cheers!
David
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The Bead Artist formerly known as Revilo42
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vealj
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Posted - 04/22/2004 : 1:47:12 PM
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The Governor could afford to be flip with this one because the vote was darn near unanimous in favor of the bill, only 1 dissension vote was cast as I understand it and he voted against it because the existing bill wasn't stringent enough! Now there's the scary part. Both houses of a state legislature feel nudism is apparently harmful to children. Enough so, that they feel they need to regulate it differently than other youth organizations with worse records for child safety.
This, as I see it, presents an excellent opportunity to take it to the U.S. Supreme court perhaps with a coalition of ACLU and other Civil Rights groups. Maybe we could get a youth or several youths who were members of both White Tail and the Boy Scouts and/or Girl Scouts to attend a camp without their parents present. That would be interesting to see how those against Nude Youth Leadership Camps would differentiate the same individuals who attend both!
Take care and ...
Keep it Bare !!!
- veal
http://www.vealj.com/naturist.html
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spadoc
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Posted - 04/23/2004 : 6:50:59 PM
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Folks,
What we are looking for now are nudist families who wish to become plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the state of Virginia for the state's discriminatory practice against these families. Please E mail me if you'd like to participate. Remember, we need families whose children would like to go to summer camp, but can't because mom and dad have to work/go to school/whatever. You get the idea.
Walt Iliff Youth Camp Chair
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Kimberly
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Posted - 04/24/2004 : 03:54:42 AM
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Walt I hope families in your area get together and fight this thing. I am afraid if they get away with it there it will start spreading every where. We went to a nude beach in Texas, "Hippie Hollow". When we got there they said no kids allowed. I can imagine if this legislation gets through, the next step would be limit kids access to nudist clubs, and beaches.
Kim =^.^=
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spadoc
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Posted - 04/24/2004 : 09:42:27 AM
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Kim,
Doesn't have to be our area. It could be a family who may have wanted the choice to send their child to AANR East Camp at White Tail this summer, but can't because they have to work/go to school/whatever
Walt
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Posted - 04/28/2004 : 12:03:41 PM
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Reprinted from the AANRGovernmentAffairs@yahoogroups.com newsgroup
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2004 00:18:09 -0000
From: "Paula" <paularae1014@hotmail.com>
Subject: Virginia HB 158 in the news again!
Virginia HB 158 in the news again! Governor makes bill worse while spouting juvenile comments
Today the following story was reported by the Associated Press:
http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=1790724&nav=23iiMLqp
In it, the Virginia Governor not only signed HB 158, but he amended (actually he offered a suggested amendment that the legislature can adopt) the bill to remove a loophole favorable to us. While doing so, he offered a number of puns ranging from "this bill is the BUTT of jokes" to "I have naked admiration for its patron" to "I support the BOTTOM line of this bill."
In my years as Government Affairs Coordinator and then Executive Director I have had many instances where we have lost a political fight. We've had many situations where there were puns in stories (usually from a juvenile frat-boy reporter type). There is even some humor in our work to gain a beach on Assateague to keep things light hearted.
I have to say this is the first time, however, that I've seen a high elected official's office make joke after joke after joke after joke about taking away a parent's fundamental right to make choices for their children. Frankly, I find it highly disturbing (maybe a twinge sadistic) that an office would joke as it takes rights away from parents.
AANR has prepared a public response to the Governor, as well as our public relations firm (YPB&R) issuing press releases.
Following is the letter by Pat Brown sent to Gov. Warner today, April 16:
Hon. Mark R. Warner
Governor,
State of Virginia
State Capitol, 3rd Floor
Richmond, Virginia 23219
Fax: (804) 371-6351
Via Facsimile - Copy Via U.S. Mail to Follow
Re: Your amendment to HB 158 and accompanying remarks.
Dear Governor Warner,
On behalf of the American Association for Nude Recreation, our members in Virginia, and all parents, I am writing to express our great disappointment with your recent amendments to House Bill 158 and accompanying sophomoric remarks.
These developments are particularly disconcerting given that a delegation of concerned parents and representatives of White Tail Park made a considerable effort to meet with your staff where they voiced very legitimate concerns about this bill after it was reported from the senate. It wasn't enough to simply ignore these parents and voters. Instead, your "commentary" dropped in pun after pun referencing nudity and the human body.
Frankly, we can't think of a stronger argument for programs that promote wholesome body acceptance than the fact that Virginia's highest office is helpless to discuss this subject without reverting to vocabulary more fitting for a college frat house than the state house. Especially when critical 14th Amendment questions are involved. Let's just recap:
The Virginia legislature and you singled out a group of parents and targeted them with a piece of legislation that takes away their right to make fundamental decisions about how to raise their children and whom to entrust with their care;
You did so without any evidence of a single documented problem but simply because you disagreed with what they do;
You made fun of these parents and voters with every pun that you, and perhaps your speechwriters, could think of so that you could laugh while dismantling what should be cherished rights under the 14th Amendment.
It's a chilling thought for any parent who homeschools a child, belongs to a religious sect you can't understand, or whomever you elect to target next.
Taking away parental rights, freedoms, and laughing about it. Just when did Virginia government stop being the institution where the gravity and value of freedom prompted delegates like Patrick He
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The Bead Man
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Posted - 04/28/2004 : 3:57:59 PM
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Strangely enough, on the Home Page of WAVY.COM is this headline:quote:
WAVY.Com Camps - Summer Camp Guide
 The Excitement of Summer Camp! A parent's guide to choosing your child's Summer Camp. WAVY.com's online summer camp directory has detailed information on every type of camp imaginable. Find the camp that fits your child's needs and interests!
More >>
I suspect White Tail Park will not be appearing (but it might be interesting to for Bob Roche to submit the camp's details for entry...)
Cheers!
David
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The Bead Artist formerly known as Revilo42
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spadoc
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Posted - 04/28/2004 : 7:10:48 PM
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Thanks for the info David. I think we'll keep a low profile for right now. It would be funny though. I have cancelled the field trip we usually have outside the park for this year, but I had a fantasy of taking all the kids to Jack Reid's office in Richmond so he could explain himself to them.....can't do it, but it was fun to think about. Well, at least we can still laugh a little. As Yogi Berra said, "It ain't over til it's over." Keep your fingers crossed.
Walt Iliff
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papabare
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Posted - 04/28/2004 : 11:33:59 PM
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Keep up the good fight everyone. As a father with children I want them to have the option of going to camp wherever they want, be it clothed or not. I don't like the idea of some gov guys saying what we do is bad.
Kim, I have also seen then Hippy Hollow is 18 and over only. I couldnt beleive it, what do they expect us to do there?
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Kimberly
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Posted - 05/01/2004 : 07:25:34 AM
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I think the reason "Hippie Hollow" is 18 and over is there are a lot of gay guys there engaged in certain activities. It is not a family oriented nude beach, too bad, it has such potential.
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papabare
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Posted - 05/05/2004 : 11:17:15 PM
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Ahhh, well guess I aint goin there, even if I did travel without my kids
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CoolNude72
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Posted - 05/06/2004 : 11:10:00 PM
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I feel very strongly this bill will not stay on the books very long. First thing I thought of when I first read it was 'discrimination.' I don't feel it will have much of a future. My 2 cents.
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spadoc
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Posted - 05/07/2004 : 10:05:25 AM
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As we speak, we have our plaintiffs, and the ACLU is preparing to take up the fight. Stay tuned. When we win this one, we MUST show the legislators who think we are an easy target that we are emphatically not. We have to defeat Jack Reid, the sponsor of this bill in the next election. That will send a loud and clear message.
Walt Iliff
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