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OLD BUZZARD
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Posted - 06/22/2010 : 11:53:33 PM
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I think its going to get a lot worse before it gets better....nuff said......OLD BUZAZARD
NOT AS GOOD AS I ONCE WAS........DAMMIT
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balataf
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Posted - 06/23/2010 : 11:20:36 AM
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The Tea Party movement hass had quite a bit of succees, and we seem to have an unprecedented number of women being nominated
to respond:
The first "Presidential" or undeclared war was a naval fight with France from 1799 to 1801, under John Adams and Thomas Jefferson's time. The French attacked American merchant ships first.
Asd far as I can tell, our only "gratutious" war, on false, trumped-up charges, was the Spanish-American, due to the accidental boiler explosion on the Battleship Maine. The only-too-real geopolitical situation in our current Islamic challenge is critical, and has the potential for huge long-term costs in blood and money if not resolved properly. Then aqain, particularly with the Talibam, it is worthwhile to oppose people who make it a policy to throw battery acid in the faces of uppity girls who dare to want to learn to read. Nudism: Forget about it is probably a capital offense. Does anyone here find that acceptable?
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jbsnc
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 Posted - 06/29/2010 : 7:34:55 PM
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The FairTax is not an important direct issue with some in the Tea Party but no other issue would fulfill more of their goals than implementing the FairTax.
Our current tax structures are grossly regressive towards lower income people. The FairTax originators estimated that about 23 cents on the dollar of goods and services are built in taxes created by governments with little regard to the wealth of the payee. This is a very high tax rate for lower incomes.
Lindner and Boortz co:authored two books on the FairTax. Google them, buy them and read them. And think. Do not let others demand your obedience. Then record your thoughts here.
Happy Nuding.
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 06/30/2010 : 3:59:25 PM
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Come you GOP arent you really really glad that palin didnt win....Did you read her latest humongous gaff re R Reagans "college" . Doesnt she ever stop n think, "golly gee, why are all those people laughing at me"!
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Warmskin
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Posted - 07/01/2010 : 06:09:49 AM
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The current wars are quite gratutitous in that the Iraq war was planned back in the 1990s, and you can find PNAC's letter to that effect on a search engine. If it was proposed back then, what did it have to do with nine-11? Nothing, but as PNAC said, it would take a Pearl Harbor to make the American people actually believe in such a war. But, the war had to be connected to nine-11 by means of lying to the Americans. First it was "they hate us for our freedom." Really, we were more free before all our excessive regulations and laws from the 1960s and on. Why didn't they attack us then? Because our freedom is not a factor overseas, except to the then USSR and its pals.
Then we were told the war had to be fought because Iraq had WMDS, not that they could be found. The only thing resembling that was the poison gas Rumsfelf had permission to sell to Saddam to help him defeat the Iranians.
I have forgotten what excuse de jour it operating today. It gets complicated when a president lies on behalf of his neoconservative handlers and advisers. It also takes a president who has no backbone or high moral standing.
Hint: The war was planned to help another country, but with side benefits for private parties.
We simply cannot affort to police the whole world. It has never been an American characterstic to find monsters around the world to fight. We were meant to be neutral by our Founders. Had we followed their advice to the letter, there never would have been a nine-11.
That was what we get for meddling. You don't take on a hornet's nest and expect to escape a good stinging. Nations were always having problems before we existed, and there will always be problems; it is part of the nature of humanity's greed and corruption. Further, we simply cannot afford all this meddling. The nation is broke, and has to either borrow massively from nations that are not all that friendly with us, or have the money created out of thin air. The latter gravely hurts people with modest incomes. More meddling = more pain for us Americans.
Woodrow Wilson had it all wrong. He thought he could make the world safe for "democracy," (which we don't have in the USA -- we're a republic). Well, we found out how wrong Wilson could be. We have been paying for his follies ever since. Add the weight of the welfare empire to all these trillion dollar wars, and as the late US Senator Ev Dirksen, R-IL, said, "we're talking about real money."
The question is - how many millions of $$ are we willing to borrow to go on meddling overseas, only to make new enemies everyday we are over there. How un-American can we be before our nation becomes financially moribund?
The people in that area of the world used to be our friends. We had to ruin that friendship with out wildly imbalanced favoritism in that region. George Washington's Second Farewell address brilliantly discussed just this exact problem we have today. I'm grateful that he wrote what he did, and I can only be saddened that we think he was a fool today. His predictions are haunting if one takes time out to read his amazing second farewell address. It's a good lesson for all of us, without regard to our political preferences today, which seem to be too minute, given Washington's own words.
I can only hope that someday this nation will come to its senses and demand that we be a neutral country, and stay out of fights that are not ours. Let the UN folks fight and die in out stead, if that is what they want to do.
Saying that nine-11 was all they're doing, is like walking into the middle of a movie, and thinking that one completely understands the characters and exactly what went on before one arrived at the theater. Fortunately, we can read up on the whole history of this mess, starting after WW II.
Using the movie analogy, let's say that we do walk in during the middle of the movie. We see "A" beating up on "B." We might think that "A" is a no good so-and-so. However, if we had come into the theater at the very beginning of the movie, we would have seen that "B" slaughtered "A'S" family, except for "A" himself. The USA steps in and funds further misery for "A," because "B" is quite influential with the USA. For many years, "A's" friends, some of them hotheads, go after the USA for funding the misery of "A."
As an "organic" American, I think we should stop funding the misery of "A" and figure a way to settle the dispute between "A" and "B." It will save us trillions of $$ in the future and will save many, many lives, including our American troops and the emotional well-being of their families and friends. The mental anguish of many of our troops will take years to overcome, based on their own testimony.
Putting an end to wars has been the traditional GOP thing to do. Not so anymore, thanks to the neoconservatives. The GOP paid a heavy price for their deviancy in 2006 and 2008. The result of this is Obama, whether one likes him or not. The neoconservative war and its consequences have make even members of the Eisenhower and Nixon family to vote for the first time in their lives for a Democrat. Now that is the limit on political shock. Who woulda thought that would ever happen. Strange things happen when one of a group of people deviate from what they know it right.
Sigh. No wonder I left the GOP and became a Libertarian.
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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homenude
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Posted - 07/03/2010 : 2:14:06 PM
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Originally posted by hernandocpl
Come you GOP arent you really really glad that palin didnt win....Did you read her latest humongous gaff re R Reagans "college" . Doesnt she ever stop n think, "golly gee, why are all those people laughing at me"!
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Biden is an improvement?
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Warmskin
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 02:55:04 AM
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Whatever one thinks, the Tea Party movement is a sure sign that a lot of people don't like what is going on with our government. The Tea Party has different kinds of folks in it, and not just one narrow point of view. There is plenty to be disapproved of these days. That we are fast on the track to becoming what was never intended for the USA to become, portends ill for our freedoms and country.
When the government tells us when to plant, we shall soon starve -- roughly quoted from Jefferson, whose work we celebrated, however mindlessly, last Sunday.
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 07/06/2010 : 09:03:49 AM
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The "tea party" ie the republicans, now out of power are saying they "dont like what is happening in governement. Where were they from 2002 thru 2008?
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balataf
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 1:08:40 PM
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hernandocpl,
You can verify what I say here with election and polling statistics that zre openly availble.
While the main thrust of the Tea movement contains a plurality of Republican, various state polls have shown that in many states, such as Iowa, they are a large minority, with enuf Independents and Democrats to form a larger segment in the movement, In some other ststes, there is a majority that is Republican. Many of them are people who were not politicized in earlier years.
In quite a few cases they were just too young before. There is no doubt that there is a massive wave of voters becoming involved for the first time, who are becoming more Republican. But there are some prominent Democrats, like Congressmam Walter Minnick of Idaho, who are heavily inolved.
There is no reason that the Democratic Party cannot take advantqge of the issues being raised thru this popular movement, that has defeated the older Republican establishment in a half dozen states.
November 2 is coming up rapidly, and that day will provide the main answer.
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 07/07/2010 : 2:11:21 PM
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Majority GOP like 95%+ you mean. Love the comments from Steele this week. The Dems have their fingers crossed he stays thru the NOv elections, he must be worth several points to them.....
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balataf
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Posted - 07/08/2010 : 06:42:40 AM
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I'll stand by what I said! about six weeks ago, the liberal New York Times published a demographic article. It had Tea Party analysis. with breakdowns by age, by sex, by income, by religion, by Party, by race, and with the varied regional strengths. The patterns confirmed what the liberal Des Moines Register had found in Iowa, and other researches by Gallup and other pollsters of varied political stripes.
Additionally, in those states that have "crossover" voting where you choose which party primary to vote in, massive numbers, mostly Independents, went into the Republican vote. Meanwhile, several states had their lowest Democratic primary turnouts in a decade.
One common-sense thing that several pollsters found, was that people getting active who were already Republican tended to volunteer for their Party, while others, who did not wish to become Repubs became the Tea Party. This closely duplicates the Reform Party demogrsaphic of 1992 and 1996 for Perot.
95% ? Check the facts, and show everybody how the above sources and myself. were wrong. WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR FIGURES?
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 07/08/2010 : 7:56:31 PM
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Same place that Steele does for his soundbites!
We had a "tea party" meeting here , organised of course by the GOP local chairman. He said it would be "bipartisan". Laugh. The local paper sent a reporter and guess what...yeh thats right it was 2 hrs of Obama bashing.........
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balataf
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Posted - 07/08/2010 : 10:32:41 PM
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You are over-generalizing from one local happening, in which your point might well be correct.
Another difference is that the Republicans tend to be much more conservative, while the Tea Party people trend to be more libertarian. Of course, both ideologies have plenty of rationale due to the Obama series of compounding social and economic detructiveness.
Comparing yourself to Steele is being most terribly unkind. I cannot believe you think so little of yourself. Get yourself together, man! Things can't possibly be that bad, and there is "help" available.
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balataf
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 11:47:27 AM
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I am postin here in order to recogfnize a total political bombshell that came in yesterday's news.
The Massachusetts "Gay-Marriage" case differs from that in California. California isd about the right of the stste to ban it, while Mass. is about the Federal refusal to recognize such a "marriage" sanctioned within the state legal system.
The Judge's ruling was that the intent of the Constitution was for certain fields to be reserved for action by the States. Since regulation of marriage sits squarely within that, the Judge ruled that the Fedral authorities MUST recognize such weddings in terms of Federal benefits.
The revolutionary aspect is, that if this is allowed to stand as a precedent, then huge parts of Federal action of the past few decades will be invalidated. This includes such recent intrusions as education (No Child Left Behind), Insurance, (State-level "Exchanges" and the "Individual
Mandate",) abortion, and other controversial fields.
In short, if this is upheld, the balance, which has moved very heavily towards Federal power, will swing sharply back to letting States experiment by moving in different, or opposite policy directions.
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NaturistDoc
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Posted - 07/12/2010 : 1:43:53 PM
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Warmskin, I like your Madison quote. Here's an echo of sorts from Sinclair Lewis, circa 1935. "When Fascism comes to America, it will come wrapped in the flag, and carrying the cross."
One wonders what Madison and Lewis would have thought of Bush and the Neocons.
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