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capecodjack
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Posted - 04/26/2010 : 10:25:30 PM
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I want to know where the "tea Party" stands on nudism. Are they for or against?
To get back to the labor question; I replied to a letter to the editor in my locality that stated in reply to another letter that it was very American to buy an American flag in China if it was a best priced item. That capitalism was founded on buying the same goods for the cheapest price. my reply was that if an American flag is produced in a country that provides the safeguards to there citizens that provides them with a living wage it is alright to buy a flag from that country. However if the flag is produced in a country that allows slave labor conditions it is unconscionable to support that country. In many cases third world countries allow draconian conditions in factories that export to the American market.
You don't have to buy American but you should buy humanitarian
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 Posted - 04/28/2010 : 01:37:35 AM
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Fantastic discussion.
For those coming in late, political discussions, religious discussions etc. are allowed and encouraged here, provided you make an extra effort to address only the issues, and not criticize the poster personally, or show insensitivity to the poster's chosen idols.
Just watch and reel it back in when you find yourself wanting to use that "you" pronoun in a derogatory way.
It's quite a delight to see we can carry on these intellectual discourses without it degenerating into name calling. We've got a unique group here.
All that's required is civility, with an eye toward maintaining camaraderie. And no, not all topics must be about nudism, that's why we provide a General Discussion area.
I'm especially proud that we have even one person who can discuss the Kondratiev cycle. For those not familiar with it, it describes a series of "seasons" in economies that bring wars, depressions, and booms. We are now entering the worst part, the "Kondratiev winter", which predicts a deep, probably worldwide depression, the collapse of asset bubbles, and some say the precipitation of World War Three. Nikolai Kondratiev was executed by Stalin for his non-orthodox theories.
I watch with anticipation to see what the Tea Party movement might accomplish. It feels like a great historical change in the making. I have serious doubts that Sarah Palin should have anything to do with it. The media seems to need her bolted on to provide a handle to this uncontrolled movement. However, I didn't hear any genuinely populist notes being sung by her in the last election.
After some searching, I found the original platform mentioned by balataf here.
Getting back to the discussion, has anyone heard any mention in the Tea Party platform regarding personal choices of lifestyle, such as nudism? In light of promoting personal liberty, I would expect to see support of diversity in lifestyles provided no one is harmed or offended.
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balataf
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Posted - 04/28/2010 : 03:25:27 AM
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Given that the "platform" was culled from thousands of individual suggestions, I have no idea what other items were in the top hundred, or top thousand, or how many votes any one might have gotten.
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NaturistDoc
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Posted - 04/28/2010 : 1:09:37 PM
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Kondratiev cycles are among a group of several proposed economic cycles. They are interesting, but may explain less than their proponents claim ... much like the Milankovich cycles proposed to explain long-term climate variation. I have a deep distrust of macroeconomists generally. After all, when the market doesn't match the predictions of their economic models, the call it "Market Failure" when it's quite obviously "Model Failure"! I'm not sure we humans are smart enough yet to understand fully something as vast as the global economy while we're so personally enmeshed in it. It's like trying to study hydrodynamics as you go over Niagara Falls.
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Posted - 04/28/2010 : 3:22:41 PM
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Agreed. Good analogy.
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balataf
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Posted - 04/29/2010 : 8:51:39 PM
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yeah, . . . But when you notice that there are waterfalls, rapids, and cascades about every half mile along the stream, it is possible to figure SOMETHING about the underlying geology and soil.
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balataf
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Posted - 05/08/2010 : 03:59:39 AM
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Well, several states have now had primaries, and while there has been some action by the Tea Party voters, it is rather hard to seperate that from the other social and political currents. There will be many more to come.
Congreatulations to our British members and friends for a smooth national vote. With no singtle-party majority, and little tradition of multi-party governing coalitions, things will need time to sort themselves out. Yet a peaceful election without riots, military occuptions, snd no trauma is still a positive achievement.
There is plenty of room in the heart of American national thought to ask for Blessings on all free and democratic systems. The Statue of Liberty, the Liberty Bell and other central icons of America's secular faith are hardly threatening, of themselves, to anyone,. Yet there are those out there who are threatened by other people having freeedom. Consider that the Taliban have a long-standing policy of throwing battery acid into the eyes of little girls who dare to want to READ.
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jbsnc
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Posted - 05/10/2010 : 9:15:38 PM
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"much like the Milankovich cycles proposed to explain long-term climate variation."
ND, I disagree, his 'cycles'explain one cause of climate variation. There are other varitions, this is a no brainer.
Happy Nuding.
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balataf
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Posted - 05/21/2010 : 9:40:47 PM
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Updating the thread. The ultimate "tea Party" candidate won the Kentucky Republican Senate nominatyion by a 59 to 35 percent ratio over the "Washington-backed" official party candidate. The other really major success was knocking out Sen Bennett in Utah over bailouts and Obamacare, etc. In most sreas seen so far, they appear to have the backing of about 15 to 20 percent of overall Republican primary voters, and, are of course, hoping to use that energy in the fall.
Democratic primaries show some turbulence also, with much of the Left unhappy with the current record, as seen in Specter's defeat and forcing Arkansas' Lincoln into a runoff.
It's very interesting, with a long way to go, five months snd a bit to November.
The Penna. special Congressional was won by a Democrat who ran strongly AGASINST the Pelosi-Obama agenda.
Work in Congress on the Obamacare structure has found another $115 Billion needed to spend to just begin setting up the 120 or so new boards and commissions to implement the mess. Meanwhile 20 states have so far refused to begin setting up the insurance "exchanges" that would limit choices. The current count of States joined in the legal work opposing the "individual mandate" is now 21. These two lists of States largely overlap, but not completely.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 04:42:35 AM
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I love this platform!! No freedom to be nude when a government dictates to us how to live. Because we people have to tighten our belts all to often, it's about time the government did the same thing.
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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Warmskin
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Posted - 05/24/2010 : 04:50:40 AM
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As to trying to understand the whole economy, it is quite instructive to contemplate that the people themselves manage the economy everyday, to a good degree. We have 300 million spenders in this country. Each penny they spend is akin to a ballot on election day. These folks make billions of decisions each day, i.e., they vote every day with their dollars.
It never ceases to amaze me that a central government could think itself capable of making all these decisions itself. They are mathematically and intellectually incapable of regulating everything, yet one of the largest government functions is to try to do just this.
At best, the government is an enormous bottleneck that distorts the marketplace. It's best to leave the economy to the people. They will always act in their own self-interest, and the marketplace almost always guides each person to bless someone else, where there was not intention of doing that in the first place.
The best thing the government can do is to arrest and prosecute those who cheat the marketplace.
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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balataf
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Posted - 05/30/2010 : 03:26:54 AM
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We are currently desperately bleeding from three wounds that all are due to poor planning.
Millions of barrels of oil polluting the Gulf.
Several million illegals swamping Arizona.
Trillions of dollars flushing away in Obamacare.
Unfortunately, this is "change" we are forced to believe in!
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Posted - 05/30/2010 : 8:23:46 PM
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i think in november the left will see some real change as the progressives will be stopped in their tracks and obama becomes a lame duck much like clinton on difference clinton swung to the right of center this one won't.
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NaturistDoc
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Posted - 05/30/2010 : 9:24:35 PM
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Bob, you may be right. The attention span of the average American voter may in fact be short enough that a majority has forgotten the geopolitical, military, economic, and social debacle that was the 8 years of Bush and the Neocons. It's interesting, in a depressing sort of way, that a lot of the old Neocons (Dick Armey, Newt Gingrich) are hastily re-branding themselves as Tea Partiers. As for Clinton, I seem to remember he managed to pull off a budget surplus, something no Republican has done in many decades. And he only became a lame duck after he was re-elected.
I will give the Tea Party credit for being highly motivated. Bob Bennett, hardly a bleeding-heart liberal, had the support of a comfortable majority of the Utah GOP rank and file, However, a certain degree of complacency was present in Utah, an overwhelmingly Republican state, and the Tea Party True Believers showed up at the GOP caucuses in disproportionate numbers and kicked Bennett to the curb.
There is no question the Tea Party can rally the right wing of the GOP. The question is whether they will continue to alienate moderate Republicans to the point where they start losing general elections to centrist Democrats. We're living in interesting times. Wait ... isn't that a Chinese curse?
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Warmskin
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Posted - 06/22/2010 : 11:11:42 PM
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As to the concept that laws no longer have to conform to the US Constitution, pray tell me under what laws do we live. Either we are a nation of laws, or a nation of dictators.
Laws prohibit govenment officials from abusing us and our nation. The problem is we have almost no politician who is honest enough to say that they are completely ignoring our fixed principles of freedom. I do not remember a time when polticians were never finding ways to cheat the citizen out of their rights.
The Founders of this nation were almost infintitely more sensitive to and sensible to preserving freedoms than the sad lot we have today. As George Washington said, "Few men can withstand the highest bidder." How true are his words today.
I would rather have Thomas Jefferson be a dictator today, than to be stuck with the lawless bunch of thugs we have today in government.
If we think the Constitution is dead today, what rights do want to then give up? The First Amendment? No? Hmm, the Constitution backs up that right. But, wait a moment, if the Constitution is dead, who says we have free speech? Barney Frank, John McCain? Is that how far we have sunk?
If the Constitution were strictly enforced by men of principle today, most of our problems would no longer exist. Gratuitous wars would not exist, because of James Madison's great effort to have only the Congress declare wars, instead of the the president, like we do today. Massive government programs would not exist, thus leaving more money in the hands of the people. To that end, did you know that only about 30% of the money you send to the US government actually ends up in the hands of the poor person? It's true, yet Salvaton Army gets 80% of its contributions right into the hands of the poor people they serve.
Silly and tragic things happen when we declare the Consitution null and void, and leave that void for our bought-and-paid-for politicians to fill up. Happy with the results? Is America well-off and debt-free today? Hmm, it was a long time ago. Why are we more stupid today, with all of our sophistications, Keynesianism, socialism, Federal Reserve, etc.?
When you depart from the Constitution, you invite the massive and unprecedented problems that we have today. America can only do that our money lenders allow us to do. That is bankruptcy. As Margaret Thatcher once said, socialism works until you run out of other people's money. James Madison pointed out quite poignantly that the Constitution does not allow for benevolence for individuals, not for presidentially declared wars, two of the reasons for America's own bankruptcy today.
If you disagree with my thesis, of course we can expect you to give a lot more of your paycheck to the IRS. Surely, you can give a lot more in taxes than you are giving today. Let's see a show of hands -- how many of us want to pay more and more taxes to both balance future budgets and pay off our national debt? Hmmm, not too many hands are raised. Hehehehe[ :o)]
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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