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jcmt4
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 Posted - 06/15/2007 : 4:24:11 PM
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this post refers to the 'single-male nudist & direct sex-discrimination'.
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Anniebare
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Posted - 06/15/2007 : 4:32:47 PM
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Never having been to a British club, I don't understand what you mean. Can you elaborate?
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Tuffers
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Posted - 06/16/2007 : 06:43:42 AM
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I am English and I cannot see what point you are trying to make jcmt4. My wife and I have been maembers of a club in the south of England for 30 years and have never come across anything but friendliness and consideration for fellow nudists. One cannot get on with every person but we have made some good friends there.
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go n nude
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Posted - 06/17/2007 : 02:14:44 AM
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Sexual harassment or discrimination? Are these clubs clothes optional? Sounds like it could be that from your post jcmt4.Unfortunately if thats your experience there, find a club where you feel comfortable and welcome. Clubs are privately owned and operated. If one is nude and mistreated because of their sex or being single by other than management, let them know too. You paid your way and have a right to be there just they do too.
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go n nude
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Posted - 06/24/2007 : 1:33:11 PM
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The sex discrimination act or club policies based on past bad experiences from some odd ball. The saying one bad apple can spoil the whole basket rings true, one odd ball and spoil it for all unfortunately I've found out the hard way too! Couples and families only at a few resorts due to this fact or misconception.
Finding a club that doesn't Priceless.
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Cheri
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Posted - 06/24/2007 : 5:58:11 PM
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Originally posted by go n nude
The sex discrimination act or club policies based on past bad experiences from some odd ball. The saying one bad apple can spoil the whole basket rings true, one odd ball and spoil it for all unfortunately I've found out the hard way too! Couples and families only at a few resorts due to this fact or misconception.
Finding a club that doesn't Priceless.
go n nude
I can think of 2 right off the top of my head:
My club Travelites, Inc. in South Carolina and The Augusta Naturists in GA.
Cheri
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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catbird
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Posted - 09/29/2007 : 10:03:51 PM
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Originally posted by jcmt4
when nudists discriminate against other nudists (the single-male nudist):if that is'nt sexual discrimination, what kind of discrimination is it?
I see what jcmt4 is getting at. Single males have a hard time joining a club, because they usually are accepting only couples. The discrimination is in the name of gender balance. When I was born, I had no choice of gender. Even some married males face this discrimination, because the wife is totally against it.
I also understand this point of a few odd balls make all single males look bad.
Naturally, Catbird
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JohnnyBnude
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 05:35:53 AM
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I'm a single male, and an AANR member. Showing my AANR card at any resort is all I need to do. I am always cheerfully greeted, and treated as a welcome guest.
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CalTom
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 11:31:12 AM
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We are all single starting out in life. As life's passages go on (through divorce or death) we become single again. We leave this Earth single. Now that morbidity is out of the way, let's address this burning question once again.
My wife and I are friends to many single male nudists, men who's age ranges from late thirties through mid-sixties. They are all long time nudists, professionals and blue collar workers, but the key ingredient in their make-up is that they have personalities that would be pleasing in the nudist or textile world; which is to say mature.
Most often the problem with the ostracized creature known as the "single nudist male" occurs when alcohol combines with a man's ancient predatory sexual nature and all hell breaks loose. They spot a female in the conversation pool or the nightclub that they like and, armed with liquid courage, make unintentional complete utter fools of themselves. Each weekend at our resort, one or more of these men are rounded up and sent on their way in their cars (or if they are too inebriated via a Pasco County limousine service on hand for such matters.) Off Nudist Survivor island- the tribe has spoken. These guys invariably end up back in Cleveland absolutely sure that they were discriminated against only because of their single status.
I have much more sympathy with the single male who is a sincere mature nudist, but through the fickle finger of fate cannot hook-up with a willing female to accompany him to the resort. In Florida, there is a large singles group called the Single Naturists of Tampa Bay with over 350 members strong. They meet at - -, - -, Lake Como and sometimes at a smaller location known as The Island. We know many of these folks, and none of the males attempt to emulate the late John Belushi in Animal House or walk around with painted arrows pointing to his genitals ...where is there a camera when I need one? 
Lastly, remember that through social conditioning, religion, and basic biology, women will never flock to nudism in equal numbers as men. It is a fact of life that we all have to deal with.
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JohnnyBnude
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 7:32:05 PM
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i suppose, by johnnybnude's post: membership of aanr,makes us genuine nudists? is there a test:or do you just pay-up, & you're in!
Yes, you pay up, and you're in. If you want to stay in, you behave like a responsible adult. If you don't, you're name is passed on to all AANR affiliated resorts, and you will be on the outside looking in!! Did the membership make me a "genuine nudist"? No...I was that already. It just gave me the credibility to gain access. Every one, not just single males, have to obey the resorts rules. It's a lot like being granted a drivers license. Don't follow the rules, you loose it.
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Digital_Cowboy
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 7:39:51 PM
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Granted I/we all know that membership in this or that national club/organization or likewise one or more local club or organization not only provides support (is there a fund to help nudists who land in legal troubles) to help further the cause of social nudism, as well as making one to appear to be a "legitimate" nudist. But one should not have to be a "card carrying" nudist to be taken seriously.
Yes, SOME single males have caused problems or started trouble, either drunk or sober, but that doesn't mean that all will. And likewise it isn’t JUST single males who cause problems; married men, single & married women are all equally capable of causing problems or trouble, as are children.
And as has been said in this thread and others, to limit the number of single males (based on the assumption that because in the past some single males have caused problems) IS a form of sexual discrimination. And here in the USofA it IS illegal. And as a result any club or facility doing so will quite likely end up landing in legal troubles. Legal troubles that could possibly cause 'em to have to close their doors.
I know, I know, there are going to be those of you who’ll argue that because they’re a "private" club, facility, etc. that they can do whatever they want. I’m sorry but that just isn’t so. Especially IF they allow members of the general public to visit 'x' number of times before becoming a member or IF they allow members of the general public to rent their facilities for weddings or what have you.
Likewise using the argument that they’re a "private" club and therefore they can do what they want such as say failing to get a license to sell alcohol, or to sell alcohol to minors or forgo inspections from the:
Health inspector
Fire marshal
Building inspector
Is wrong, because of the fact that members or not they DO do business with the general public and as such there are certain rules that IF they wish to keep their business license that they have to obey and adhere to.
I’m reminded of a case in the recent past where the PGA or some other "private" golfing organization was sued by a golfer who had mobility issues.
They were sued so that he could use a golf cart to get from hole-to-hole. Despite the rules making it very clear that each golfer would walk from hole-to-hole. Said golfer won his case and was able to use a golf cart.
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catbird
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Posted - 09/30/2007 : 9:03:40 PM
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Originally posted by JohnnyBnude
I'm a single male, and an AANR member. Showing my AANR card at any resort is all I need to do. I am always cheerfully greeted, and treated as a welcome guest.
Yes, that has been my experience too. Just show your AANR card and you are cheerfully welcomed.
However if you want to join the nudist club, that's when you experience discrimination. You likely will get the response, "Sorry we are not accepting single males, at this time, because we maintain a gender balance."
Naturally, Catbird
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JohnnyBnude
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Posted - 10/01/2007 : 04:43:21 AM
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Originally posted by catbird
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Originally posted by JohnnyBnude
I'm a single male, and an AANR member. Showing my AANR card at any resort is all I need to do. I am always cheerfully greeted, and treated as a welcome guest.
Yes, that has been my experience too. Just show your AANR card and you are cheerfully welcomed.
However if you want to join the nudist club, that's when you experience discrimination. You likely will get the response, "Sorry we are not accepting single males, at this time, because we maintain a gender balance."
Naturally, Catbird
In regards to joining a club, I've only done that once. I've been a member of Cypress Cove for over 10 yrs. There wasn't any problem gaining membership. I never attempted to join anywhere else. I've visited almost all resorts in Florida, and continue to, but the Cove remains tops on my list!!
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CalTom
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Posted - 10/02/2007 : 10:16:30 AM
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Recently - -, a large well known resort in Pasco County was sold to a new owner, John Forier. Unlike the previous owner, John is a longtime nudist and recently revised policies and addressed some nagging issues that were brought before him. Many issues pertain specifically to this thread, the single nudist male.
What John Forier is attempting to confront are the males who loiter and gawk at women, men who create an uncomfortable nudist environment for women and those guys who come to Tampa for a Royal Order Of Moose convention and decide to drive up to a real honest-to-god nekkid camp for the sole reason of being a voyeur. For those men there is the world famous Mons Venus gentleman's club on the Dale Mabry Highway near the airport.
http://www.- -.com/john_forier_newsarticle.html
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JohnnyBnude
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Posted - 10/02/2007 : 6:49:50 PM
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Originally posted by - -Tom
Recently - -, a large well known resort in Pasco County was sold to a new owner, John Forier. Unlike the previous owner, John is a longtime nudist and recently revised policies and addressed some nagging issues that were brought before him. Many issues pertain specifically to this thread, the single nudist male.
What John Forier is attempting to confront are the males who loiter and gawk at women, men who create an uncomfortable nudist environment for women and those guys who come to Tampa for a Royal Order Of Moose convention and decide to drive up to a real honest-to-god nekkid camp for the sole reason of being a voyeur. For those men there is the world famous Mons Venus gentleman's club on the Dale Mabry Highway near the airport.
http://www.- -.com/john_forier_newsarticle.html
The reason - -, and - - attract gawkers, is that they are c/o. A single male, or female for that matter, can enter, but is not required to be nude. In my opinion, it turns the resort into a "nudie amusment park". I've visited both resorts, and don't intent to go back. If you want to go to a real "nudist resort", go to Cypress Cove. I frequent nude beaches (Playalinda, Haulover, Apollo), and expect a fair amount of gawkers. But when visiting a resort, I prefer to be with nudists. I think that - - has a long way to go to attract genuine nudists!!
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jim19452
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Posted - 10/03/2007 : 11:07:04 AM
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when nudists discriminate against other nudists (the single-male nudist):if that is'nt sexual discrimination, what kind of discrimination is it?
To me it is sexual discrimination. OK by me if used in a reasonable manner to maintain a very rough balance of the sexes and control male behavior. Discriminating is part of our every day lives. Replacing 'sex' with 'gender' was the discrimination by the few over a tradition of the many.
Best Wishes, Jim
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