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gospel
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Posted - 10/22/2004 : 9:35:01 PM
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Stu
I fully agree with your comments. I have a little trouble with the tyranny thing. If the need arises to expose a breast or two there are a good amount of places to do it socially at resorts and beaches so inclined to such things. Public to me is that area where people who have a problem with nudity might be. I think it is just not right to subject people and their children to things they do not want to be subjected to. I don't see that as tyranny, I see it as respect for others.
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DougK
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Posted - 10/22/2004 : 11:20:24 PM
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Tyranny is too strong a word-it's just about respect and not imposing on others.
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Mark_497
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Hi, I'm Mark's wife. Last summer Mark and I had our first nudist experience. We were on vacation and decided to go to a beach. We were walking along and all of a sudden we were on a nude beach, what a surprise! We both got the giggles and kept on walking. No one was upset that we were there 'clothed'. We walked past and then came back, everyone looked so relaxed and peaceful like it was the most natural thing to do. So, we decided to try it. I grew up in a very structured home, no nudity at all, so I was very hesitant at first. But we tried it and it was the most liberating thing I've ever done. I am a very self conscious person, the typical girl thing "does this dress make me look fat?" kind of stuff. When I laid there on the beach with the warm sun and the wind blowing in off of the ocean it was so wonderful!
My self confidence level went from 0 to 100 in one afternoon. I didn't care what other people thought of me, I actually liked my body for the first time in my life, it was great. We are looking forward to our next "experience".
So to those people that don't think that women should have top freedom, they need to loosen up a bit. I nursed my babies and it was very difficult to be out in public when they were hungry...I had to find a private place whether it was a bathroom or a dressing room in a mall. Everyone else eats in public, why couldn't my babies? It would be nice if the laws were changed, maybe if we treated this like the natural thing that it is people would get used to seeing women feeding their babies.
Please give women the same freedom that men enjoy.
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nudeinboulder
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 Posted - 10/23/2004 : 10:50:13 AM
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Hay what is wroung about hairy men? but yes breast should be allowed. freedom,freedom for all.young,old,form,flat,big,little, all are equal under the sun
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Cheri
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 11:52:10 AM
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Mark's wife (maybe you should register here for your own subscription),
In many places, it is legal to nurse babies. It's just that some people find it offensive and create "baby stations" to make it supposedly easier for the mother. I think seeing a mother nurse her infant is a lovely sight.
Regards, Cheri
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Stu_Fox
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 12:22:04 PM
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Kathy
It's great that you discovered something that gives you a feeling of liberation. Long may you enjoy your new-found source of pleasure. But that doesn't mean we all want to share this particular activity.
It is surely up to the owners of premises such as cafes, bars and restaurants as to who they admit and what they tolerate on their premises. It is no business of the law-makers. If I were the owner of such premises, I would identify places that were out of the general public view for breastfeeding mothers. I would certainly not expect them to use toilets - but nor would I allow them to breastfeed openly to the displeasure and revulsion of my other customers. Is this not a case where a reasonable compromise could be made by all sides?
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Mark_497
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 1:40:45 PM
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I agree with Cheri that Mom's nursing their babies is a beautiful thing, there is nothing disgusting about it. Stu, it's your attitude about nursing that is offensive to me. I am sorry that you feel that it is offensive to other people. I have travelled in many other countries and I have seen Mothers nursing their babies on trains, airplanes, and in many public area's. They didn't have to hide and no one was offended. Why is it in this country that people are offended? Is there a reason that your are offended? Women should have the right to nurse their babies, get a suntan or be able to be topless without getting into trouble.
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dragonfly
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 2:16:15 PM
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Sence starting this post I've read with intrest and responded to some replys. I find it interesting that some wish to bring in the medical point of view. As with most anything there are two sides . Yes a bra helps during vegerous exercise as far as discomfort goes but some women can exercise braless without problems. Will a bra provent breast from sagging? Sure untill age starts to take over, firm 20 year o;d breast aren't quite so firm at 30. There is also a debate in the medical field as to what if any the wareing of a bre affects breast health Cheri posted on her expereance earlier.
What this question is about is simply freedom and equality. So many people mouth the believe that the sexes need to be treated equal but do they realy wish to accept that believe, I for one do.
It is ironic that Lady Liberty is depicted bare breasted but that our laws do not afford that liberty to women.
On the issue of breast feeding in public laws had to be passed in most states making this most natural act legel but with the strpulation that it is done discreetly, not to much breast showing for to long a time. And heaven help us all if the nipple is exposed. No wonder so many nursing mothers find somewere to "hide" when feeding time comes.
I have spoken to women who are not nudist and will not go topless but believe women should have the right to choose.
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Stu_Fox
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 6:10:45 PM
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In some countries it is commonplace to see mothers breastfeeding babies in public. In other countries it is unheard of (e.g. Islamic countries) and in many western countries it is a great rarity and can attract disapproval (e.g. the UK and the US). Speaking personally, I find it slightly offensive and inconsiderate if it is done openly so that all can see the exposed breast. It is perfectly possible to breastfeed discreetly.
The right to expose the breast has nothing to do with equality. Men do not have breasts in the same way that women do - they have some redundant vestigial tissue that can not produce milk to feed infants. To a woman, her breasts are a manifestation of her femaleness and the surgical removal of them can be emotionally traumatic and a personal tragedy. I have never seen the Statue of Liberty but I have seen pictures and, to the best of my recollection, she has her breasts covered with her robes.
"No wonder so many nursing mothers find somewere to "hide" when feeding time comes."
They are being modest, discreet and showing consideration for people such as myself. I applaud them for it.
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DougK
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 6:25:43 PM
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Stu,
I used to work as a sales rep, and I had a number of female customers-some with babies.
I remember one time calling on my customer-and she had to take care of her baby. Anyway, right in front of me, out comes her breast (I could see EVERYTHING) and proceeds to continue with her order.
I absolutely can't tell you how uncomfortable that made me feel. I told my Sales Manager of it-and he understood completely.
I am sure I won't be popular saying this-but I just think a woman should use a bit of discretion-and would never agree with a woman going topfree on a textile beach.
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Cheri
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 6:30:50 PM
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Stu, Lady Liberty,part of the seal of South Carolina is barebreasted. I think what is meant that Lady Liberty = the legal lady liberty with the blindfold and balance scales rather than the statue of liberty in NY.
Cheri
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Stu_Fox
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 6:47:58 PM
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That must have been an unpleasant experience for you. I would have rebuked any woman who behaved in that fashion in front of me. It's unacceptable.
Cheri
Thanks for the explanation, but all the "Scales of Justice" images I have seen that show a blindfolded woman with a sword in one hand and scales in the other have depicted the woman decently covered on her upper body by robes.
This statue sits at the top of the Central Criminal Court in London, and the woman is certainly not bare breasted: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2001/06/20/PAjustice.gif
I can't ever recall seeing a bare-breasted depiction but I confess I have never seen the South Carolina seal you mention.
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DougK
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Posted - 10/23/2004 : 9:22:24 PM
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Cheri,
I found this:
http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/seals/sc_seal.htm
It's hard to see the image of the woman-but I cant make out breasts.
Stu,
It was-and I would have said something-but she was a customer and I didn't want to offend her-so I had to tolerate it. It was SO AWKWARD trying not to look-but seeing everything.
It's just not appropriate to do this........
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Posted - 10/24/2004 : 06:45:12 AM
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I have a suspicion about StuFox and DougK. Seems odd that after so long of either people curious about nudism or actual nudist, whether at home or at clubs, we've had at least two who seem almost militantly against nudism. I suspect DougK is also from the UK or somewhere outside the USA. Many who live within this country know of the events, parades, and protest within San Francisco conducted either topless or nude without arrest. Enjoying a good debate is one thing, but I'm beginning to wonder if either they or he is here with some agenda or is being intentionally the counter point simply because he enjoys debating or being the counter point.
It's odd that the member profile of StuFox, Stu Fox, and DougK do not have any information other than member since date. It's also odd that Stu Fox and DougK were both members since October 22, 2004 and StuFox is listed as a member since only a few days before the previous two names.
We the willing who are led by the unknown must do the impossible for the ungrateful.
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Stu_Fox
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Posted - 10/24/2004 : 09:30:38 AM
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Your posting is rather off-topic, but I will respond.
OK, so you're suspicious. That's partly my own fault because I haven't put anything about myself on my profile. I will remedy that when I get a minute. Just for now, though, I can tell you that I live in Yorkshire and, although I am reasonably well-travelled, I have never visited the US or Canada. Shortly after I registered here, I had problems logging on, so I re-registered (from StuFox to Stu_Fox). Whilst we agree on most things, if you think that Doug and myself are one and the same, I'm afraid you're barking up the wrong tree. I note that Doug has participated in nudist recreation in the past - that is something I would never do. I have viewed this site now for a long time before I decided to register and post. I didn't realise that Doug and I had registered on the same day. I just assumed he'd been coming here for ages. Maybe, and this is just speculation, Doug has done the same and, on seeing my input, he's decided to do the same and voice his agreement Or maybe it's just a co-incidence. I dunno.
As for seeming to be "almost militantly against nudism" - I am nothing ofthe sort. I have not said a single word against responsible nudism, but rather expressed support for it. What I am opposed to is inflicting nudity upon those who do not consent to seeing it.
I quoted in a different thread an email I received from the San Francisco Police about the naked yoga guy. He implied there were certain days when the rules about nudity were relaxed but, apart from those, the laws there were the same as in the UK and other places in the US. My wife has a cousin who lives in SF and has invited us to stay with her many times but we have made excuses not to go simply because we are aware that the city has something of a reputation for being excessively liberal with regard to what is permitted in public.
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