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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 11/21/2006 : 4:03:07 PM
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If there was a Domai type site with all men I would make the exact same argument as I did above.
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CalTom
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 Posted - 11/23/2006 : 12:22:11 PM
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Is it art or is it pornography will likely be debated for a long while. Websites such as Domai or Met-Art contain beautiful young female models depicted (for the most part) in glamorous settings and photographed with a high degree of professionalism. Having said that, a raging debate with divergent views are occurring on opposite sides of the Atlantic.
Some years ago my wife and I used to see a famous glamour photographer each and every summer in Cap d' Agde, France. David Hamilton had a villa within the Port Nature complex.
http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hamilton_%28photographer%29 During the summer months between Bastille Day and early September most of his waking hours were spent searching out models in their early teens to pose for his Hasselblad camera. With the tens of thousands of European nudist families vacationing in Cap d' Agde, the vast modeling potential of the Mediterranean nudist mecca cannot be underestimated. Moreover, the recruiting talent of the British photographer was a marvel to behold.
At lunch overlooking the ocean, he would buy the families wine and Salade Nicosie while he and his wife sold them on what a world famous photographer- and class act- he was. All this while the target of his interest would sit silently as their family negotiated a modeling fee. Universally they were girls barely into puberty, developing, impressionable, and yes for the most part beathtakingly beautiful teenagers from France, Belgium and the Netherlands. But they were 13 and 14 years of age! Whether or not he was the Ansel Adams of glamour photographers is irrelevant, he was taking photos of kids and poistioning them most times to maximize emphisis on their genital regions.
When the feces hit the fan about ten years ago, the author of Bilitis and other such "coffee table" books mysteriously disappeared into the ether. He is reportedly living in southern France and can be arrested if he shows up in certain countries.
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asmodee
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 6:28:51 PM
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I found this thread a week or two ago and just today got approved for membership, but I have been dying to put in my two cents worth. First of all, I am not a nudist. I guess I am what you would call a 'nudist wannabe'. I like the idea of nudism and prefer to be nude whenever possible, but I also have a family to consider. While my wife is not opposed to the idea (she does have a nudist friend at work), neither is she excited about it. Throw in 4 kids of varying ages and I will probably never actually become a nudist. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with nudism and kids, but it would be a little difficult to suddenly go from "you must be dressed when we have company" to "we're going to play volleyball naked with a bunch of people we've never met before". If asked why I was interested in nudism...to tell the truth, I really don't know. Having experienced it only with my wife a couple of times many years ago (in secluded spots with no other people around) I don't have a lot of experience to draw from. I know I prefer being nude when I can. I find it more comfortable and...something else, but I'm not sure what; I guess the freedom I see others post about. It is not a sexual thing, I do know that much. I think a lot of it has to do with the simplicity of it all; having one less defense to hide who we really are. I'm sure you've all heard the saying, "The clothes make the man." I am more of the philosophy that what makes a person is what is on the inside and that, more often than not, clothes are designed to hide who a person really, truly is, if that makes sense.
Anyway, on to my two cents and the original topic, now going on 4 years old. I know enough about people to know that if anybody is asking for a nude picture it should raise all kinds of red flags. True nudists are not concerned with nudity. A true nudist wants to BE naked, not SEE people naked. A person online specifically asking for a nude photo is most likely to be a scumbag. Keep in mind, however, that I do not have the experience or knowledge of nudism that a true nudist does. So, nudists, it falls to you to prove me to be the observant, genius I know myself to be ;) or an idiot with no clue. Have you or would you ever, under any reasonable circumstances you can think of, ask a stranger specifically for a NUDE photo of themselves in polite, get-to-know-you conversation? My bet is that the answers are 100% no.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 01/08/2007 : 7:01:37 PM
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Asmodee, even being a "non-nudist"..you hit the nail on the head. I am a nudist wife and mom, and at least once a day get asked for a picture of myself, or one of my daughters. NEVER one of my HUSBAND though..go figure. Although our family are nudists and most of our family pictures are camping, or at the beach and do contain nudity, I would still NEVER give out any of those pictures to anyone over the internet. We have nothing to hide as a nudist family, but there are certain "boundries" we must maintain to allow for the safety of our family. If you are our friends{ that is we know you PERSONALLY}, and you come to our house, you will see pictures about the house of our family in nature, or at home, and we are usually naked, as this is how we spend most of our time. This is of course NOT in anyway shape or form pornographic{ to once again answer the origional question of the thread} And asmodee, is right in saying that of course anyone persistently asking for pictures over the net is ususally either uneducated as to what nudism is about or a "scumbag". Usually the latter.
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alexmol
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Posted - 01/09/2007 : 4:56:03 PM
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Originally posted by melissastarr
how do you differentiate between a nude photo and porn photos? Do a lot of nudists take nude photos and allow nude photos to be taken of them? What do you do with the photos?
Hello!
The difference between nude and porn photos is the same difference between clothed erotic photos and clothed non-erotic photos. It's just the way people pose and the implicit message.
Regarding taking photos and allowing people taking photos of me I just use one rule: Get the subjects permission before shooting.
Me and my wife take photos of our naturist vacations or places we go to, just as we do on non-naturist vacations or places.
We deal with the nude photos just the way we deal with regular photos. Close friends and family get to see them.
I don't hide from anyone that I'm a naturist, and having appeared on national TV naked I don't mind sharing some photos with everyone, I hope they can help some people understand better what is naturism and the differences between nude and porn.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAVqUoj7hU
Naturist Regards
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 01/09/2007 : 5:36:32 PM
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Perfect example here of pictures that contain nudity..that are NOT pornographic in nature.
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Cheri
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Posted - 01/09/2007 : 7:05:41 PM
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The only problem with the photos is for those of us on dial-up (have no choice), the page loads VERY slowly.
:) Cheri
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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asmodee
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Posted - 01/11/2007 : 2:13:43 PM
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allnaturalwife,
Thank you for your reply. I think a rate of about one request per day would scare me a little bit, especially those asking for pictures of your daughters. I guess I am just assuming your daughters are young because my children are, but even if they are over 18 it's still a little scary.
Anyway, on an unrelated note, I have been corresponding with a gentleman named Jim who read my post here. You know, it's the stupidest thing, but I have been checking out sites and reading posts off and on for a few years now, but I have never actually corresponded with a nudist before! Isn't that stupid? I guess the nudist lifestyle has always just been in the back of my mind, but as I try to explain to Jim what I'm thinking, I actually have to think about how I feel and what I want. It is making me realize that my thoughts have always been, "I would like to try that some day", but I've never put more thought than that into it. As I think about it, my thoughts are changing to, "I am going to try that some day" and I am forming plans. First and foremost, talk to the wife about it. We have mentioned it to each other, but we have never really talked about it. Next, maybe start out procuring a small plot of secluded land where we can go either as a family or as husband and wife, whichever she is more comfortable with. Then we'll see where it goes from there, I guess. Maybe I will some day be at least a part time nudist after all.
One last thing, allnaturalwife. Can I have a picture of your husband? There; now you can't say you've never been asked ;-)
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 01/11/2007 : 4:47:47 PM
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My husband would be quite flattered! He always asks me how come they all never want a picture of me? Our daughters are 12, 16, and 19. I have only been asked for pictures of either me or my oldest. I guess thats better than people asking for a picture of my youngest. But I just respond politely to those types of requests with a "sorry, I dont send pictures of my family to strangers" and the person asking either moves on or apologizes. Thats the one good thing about a forum such as this..worst case the "delete" key is very easy to push. And asmodee, I strongly encourage you to get out there and get naked!! Grab your wife and kids and go to a nude beach or club. Dont make a big deal out of the "nudity part". Thats the mistake a lot of people who are trying to enter and/or bring family into nudism make. Play up the fact that you are going to a club with a swimming pool, or whateer activities your family likes. If they like the ocean and beach...Tell them you are going to a really nice beach first. The nude part should be secondary. Just say you are going somewhere where you dont have to wear clothes, but dont dwell on it like its the biggest deal in the world. More often then not, if YOU build up the nudity to be a huge thing..so will the person or people you are trying to convince to go with you. As for children, as long as their heads havent been brainwashed that nudity is shamefull of a big deal, they are the easiest people to "recruit" to nudism. Hope that helps any who read it.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 01/12/2007 : 3:53:11 PM
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Even in Iowa..you can always be naked inside. Just turn your heater on. If your six year old is ALREADY getting modest..I would be curious where she is learning that behavior. Because in my opinion no children are modest at that age on their own.
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asmodee
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Posted - 01/12/2007 : 6:08:18 PM
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Well, I can think of several sources already. Our babysitter is a sweet 72 year old lady. She is the first person I have ever left my kids with where, the second I met her, I was not worried in the least. She is religious and occasionally 'helps' us by teaching our children some of her beliefs. I am atheist, but just can't get angry at the woman the kids know as grandma.
Also, she is my first daughter and my wife was molested at a very young age, so I worry. Statistics say that 1 in 3 women will be sexually accosted in their lifetime (my wife is the best mother ever. She looks up every fact of interest...even tastes their medicine before she will give it to them.) We have had 'the talk' several times already and I probably err on the side of overly cautious. A few months ago my best friend from junior high was arrested for having child pornography on his computer. It is just like they say. You can think you know a person well and not be able to spot them. I was unsettled for a couple of weeks and had some strange dreams during that time. So now I am more cautious than ever, making sure she keeps her dress down and sits with her legs closed when wearing a skirt. I guess I probably make too big a deal out of it when correcting her.
My wife and I also have another friend from high school who we never quite felt comfortable with leaving the kids alone with as well. He stayed with us for 3 months when my kids were younger. He's a good guy, but he's a 35 year old virgin with an...unusual personality. I wouldn't say he's exactly mentally handicapped, but he's definitely not what you would call normal. That was when both my wife and I really started getting strict with her being modest. I guess I never realized before that modesty wasn't a natural tendency for non-nudist families. I never really thought about it. My oldest son is a little modest. My youngest son, 4, is not in the least. She will ask to take a bath with her younger brother so they can play, but once out of the tub she doesn't want the boys to see her, even though one of them was just in the tub with her. I guess playtime trumps modesty, which would make the leap to nudism or naturism very easy, I suppose.
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allnaturalwife
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Posted - 01/12/2007 : 7:55:16 PM
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Well in your case it appears you have some exceptions and other outside influences of peopl around you, that others dont have. It will be more difficult for you to introduce nudism to your family, but still not impossible. Good luck in overcoming the barriers that have been put in your childrens way of enjoying life in a "natural" way as most children should. Anything I can do to help, just ask. In my opinion, modesty is primarily a negative trait to have. The ONLY reason our daughters keep their clothes on in public has NOTHING to do with the fact that they care if anyone "sees" them naked. We have just taught them that todays society is too immature to accept nudity into the mainstream. Not to mention the fact that we would prefer they dont get arrested!
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Pete Knight
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Posted - 01/13/2007 : 03:17:56 AM
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The playtime aspect is what will win the children over if you go to a nudist resort, once they see the other children having fun in the nude, and the swimming pool is a big draw too. Children hate wearing soggy bathing costumes more than adults do, they'll just do what comes naturally, just don't make a big issue about the lack of clothes and they won't even notice.
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asmodee
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Posted - 01/13/2007 : 09:51:27 AM
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This thread is getting too far off base. I am going to post in the 'General Discussions' area and we can continue this conversation properly in a separate thread.
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Rodders
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Posted - 01/15/2007 : 1:06:30 PM
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Photos of the nude form taken in natural settings are not porn, unless you are not a naturist. The difference between porn and nudity in picture form is that one seeks to arouse, the other merely to convey the joy of being naked. Thought I'd answer the original question. Good thread to read, all 14 pages.
I do take pictures in the nude and sometimes my subjects are also nude!
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