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Kimberly
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 Posted - 01/21/2004 : 01:27:23 AM
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Your right about that Willy, or trying to get your attention with an erection. You will see more of that at nude beaches than you will at clubs, because the clubs have rules.
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skinnydipper
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Posted - 01/22/2004 : 7:39:07 PM
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Will try one more time... WHY are erections considered offensive?
Until this post, I had never thought about this. We all learn as we go along what good manners are, and I've always understood it's not polite to show an erection should it happen in a nude social setting. But after reading all the points and counterpoints here, it left me puzzled about how it came to be that erections got to be offensive in the first place. And Cheri, I didn't understand your analogy about a sneeze. Seems to me this is more like picking one's nose in public -- is something you just don't do, because it's visually offensive. Still, I am curious how this taboo against uncovered erections got started. Is it universal among all cultures? What about the 18th century Polynesians (before Cook arrived)?
By the way, I'm not advocating a change in nude etiquette. Merely curious.
Grin & bare it ;)
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nudetoo
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Posted - 01/22/2004 : 9:08:19 PM
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Ok, how about this,if you are alone and happen to get an erection, no one notices, if there is someone with you then there would be two who would get embarrased, if you were at the pool and there is twenty people there, both sexes and all ages, wouldn't it be the nice thing to do, simply cover yourself. Its not that its a taboo, its manners, like holding a door for someone. Passing gas is a natural thing to do also, but not on a crowded elevator!
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MrNatural
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Posted - 01/22/2004 : 11:08:14 PM
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Originally posted by skinnydipper
Will try one more time... WHY are erections considered offensive?
I think the missing ingredient to understanding all this is in the political backlash of allowing natural erections in the public places like nude beaches.
If the world were ending tomorrow and we all had a day at the nude beach, I doubt there would be much fuss if there was some evidence of eroticism, unless of course it detracted in any way from our enjoying our very last day on earth!
Now- if the world were not ending, "responsibility" would be a factor, and to each person to a different extent. Some would still not care a bit of the consequences, and make no effort to conceal an erection. That person is ignoring the connection between "pushing the envelope" of his freedom today and everyone losing that freedom tomorrow. Others would feel they bear a responsibility to continue and protect that freedom.
If you were a political critic of nudism, and wanted to move to shut down some aspect of it, you'd need some "disgusting" evidence to enflame the people. Fortunately, most nudist venues are run professionally, and most nudists are aggressively aware of potential troublemakers. Our beaches, however, are usually less monitored, and that's where responsible nudists know our problems are likely to occur.
Most of us wouldn't care to take the time and effort to interview the owner of an erection at a nude beach, to be sure he's not bringing it on himself. You know that just wouldn't work. Besides, if someone is failing to cover the erection he's aware of, and he's aware of the possible consequences to losing the beach, and he claims he has a "right" to a public erection, would you still feel he was being, uh, straight up with you? Or is there a possible hidden sexual agenda? Not many of us are willing to allow him to get away with it.
In short, if nudism was commonplace in the USA, we'd probably have no need of this discussion. But, in the fiery political arena, this is where the battle lies, and many feel we must present a more non-controversial face to non-nudists.
True, public erections are quite rare, but the few that "make history" are what is most damaging to our future as nudists.
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nudetoo
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Posted - 01/22/2004 : 11:17:03 PM
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Well said MrNatural.
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Kimberly
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Posted - 01/22/2004 : 11:45:26 PM
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Willy if you are alone at a beach and have an erection, no one can be offended. Its like if a tree falls in the forrest and no one is around, does it make a sound?
Kim =^.^=
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odinjest
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 05:27:49 AM
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It was many pages back but the issue of erections and illegal activity seemed to be a bit of a stretch (although there are some wakkos out there) but if you make the claim that an erection is the sign of of a potential criminal intent, it is interesting to note that nudity is illegal in many places, and there are people (believe it or not) that think that nudists are part of that group of wakkos (erection or no erection) it may be hard to accept.
As for protecting children from seeing that sort of obscenity..... perhaps (if we leave out the issue of perverts adn deviants) a healthy acceptance of the body and many of its normal functions is not a bad idea. I agree that some thoughts and actions are better when shared in the right context but a healthy erection (in my opinion) should be treated with a pleasant smile and a polite socially acceptable response by the erectee and the observers.
Children learn from what they live. Sad it is that a 13 year old should be embarassed by one of those hormone induced (or other) conditions when it is part of life. In a kind world they might have been taght that it is ok. Sometimes men get them and it does not mean that people will laugh or that you have to be ashamed, but appropriate social behavior is all that is needed. ... (having said all this... i would not care to be embarassed by an inappropriate show of ..... emotions / thoughts/ chemicals ... nor would i want to offend anyone.)
erections dont hurt people people hurt people .....
while we are at it..... what about those erect nipples... are they ok? They could be a result of some perverted womans illegal intent to ravage some innocent male... personally i will assume most people are good, observe, enjoy and smile politely, and remember that it is good that we are all just human.
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Kimberly
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 07:33:08 AM
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Lol odinjest!
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Cheri
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 10:35:43 AM
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odijest, nipples aren't genitalia / sex organs.
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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Kimberly
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 11:44:36 AM
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odinjest;
All the women on this forum have told you that a male erection at a club or the beach should be covered, and the gentlemen on this forum have agreed. Let me see if I can explain this where you can understand it. As a woman, being nude and in the presence of a man with an erection in public, is embarrassing , even if it is not to you. Some men are exhibitionists and get off on women seeing their erections, its like saying, "hi honey, I am aroused are you?"
Your mother probaly told you not to point at people. Why? Its impolite. Your mother probably told you not to talk with food in your mouth. Why? Its impolite. Your mother probably told you not to pick your nose in public. Why? Its impolite. Restraunts have signs that say "No shirt, no shoes, no service. Why? Not only is it impolite its unsanitary. You should not keep an erection in public without covering it up. Why? Its impolite.
I have been a nudist for 17 1/2 years, and I may have seen maybe three guys with erections. I have never seen my husband with an erection at the beach or at the club.
I have also discussed this with the local police, we have several nude beaches in the area. Accourding to the police, a male with an erection exposed in public is considered a lude act.
If you still think that it is your right to have an erection at the beach, then I suggest you go to a beach where no one is around, or to Hedonsim II or III, where you can walk around with an erection all day.
Kim =^.^=
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hikerman
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 1:04:09 PM
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Thank you for your reply to odinjest Kimberly. It was worded very well. I think some people can't make the distiction between nude activity and sexual activity. I agree with you that some men like to show off. I wish that wasn't true, but it is. If they only knew that they aren't impressing anyone. Being nude is a time not to impress others, but a time to relax and feel free.
Isn't It Beautiful Outside ...
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randynkim
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 2:58:07 PM
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i agree hikerman..a lot of people can't make the distiction between nude activity and sexual activity.and kim you are 100% correct covering up is the polite thing to do.we have to police ourselves.we do not need to give those that oppose nude recreation any more fuel to put on the fire.
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fox100d
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 6:50:46 PM
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Outstanding comments Kim! You covered it all! End of discussion! Period!
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nudetoo
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 8:09:19 PM
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here!here!
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Kimberly
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Posted - 01/23/2004 : 9:12:49 PM
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Thank you gentlemen, I was not trying to be rude, just trying to clear the air. I agree with you guys that we need to keep sexual activites separate from nudest activites and police ourselves. As randynkim said, we don't want to give those that oppose nudism anymore fuel for the fire.
Kim =^.^=
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