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1970Alumni
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 Posted - 01/12/2011 : 3:05:10 PM
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There has been a great deal of discussion of the "facts" surrounding the murders and assassination attempt. From my point of view there are two deeply regrettable, nonetheless distinguishable "facts".
Fact one, a mentally unstable young man (legally) procured a semi-automatic handgun; he used the handgun to shoot a sitting U.S. Member of Congress and 18 other individuals - six of whom died of their wounds, including a nine year old child.
Fact two, people of all political stripes almost immediately began to fix blame for the shooting on their political antagonists. Sarah Palin is blamed for the map published on her web-site; Tea Party supporters blame the left because someone described the assailant as a "pot smoking liberal". Some go so far as to equate Jody Foster being stalked by a homicidal lunatic with Sarah Palin's sometimes bellicose political advocacy.
This senseless tragedy is rendered even more so by the needless, heated politicization of the debate. We have a terrible problem with violence in our country - call it a public health issue, a mental health issue, a legal issue, or a law enforcement issue, whatever. Let us debate and hopefully ameliorate this problem. Please don't dishonor the dead and wounded by debating whether the killer was a gun toting, Tea Party adherent or a pot smoking liberal who admired Hitler and longs for the return of the gold standard.
Using this tragedy as a pretext to fuel the incivility in our pathetic national political debate really is reprehensible.
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 3:18:50 PM
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Exactly. The murderer was APOLITICAL. He was, however, very mentally disturbed.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 03:15:36 AM
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We haven't heard yet that Harold Stassen was to blame? I'm surprised that no talkshow host or policial pundit has made that accusation.
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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balataf
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Posted - 01/13/2011 : 12:15:34 PM
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"Round up the usual suspects!"
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openess
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 06:45:18 AM
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Clearly the shooter was not influenced by any politics anyone is aware of. But suppose he had been. Suppose he was a Limbaugh listener, or an MSNBC watcher, or had a Paul Krugman poster in his room. So what? Then what? What would the people desperate to find a political influence for this shooting do about it? Would they revoke our freedom of speech? The next shooter may turn out to be politically motivated. Where then will the debate go?
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HomeNudist
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 2:53:23 PM
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Someone on another forum said this:
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1) Negative Event Occurs.
2) Immediately blame Sarah Palin.
3) Events unfold showing Sarah Palin not at fault, or even involved.
4) Blame Sarah Palin harder.
5) IF SARAH PALIN DOES NOT RESPOND: Declare her out-of-touch and non-Presidential.
6) IF SARAH PALIN RESPONDS MILDLY: Declare her wishy-washy and incapable of leadership.
7) IF SARAH PALIN RESPONDS FORCEFULLY: Declare her too provocative and incendiary.
Can anyone name another political figure that has been as relentlessly attacked by the press? Even Bush was not attacked this bad.
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balataf
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 6:11:18 PM
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With the current debate also turning on whether House of Reps members should routinely carry weapons for self-defense:
Of course: Haven't you heard of "chambering a round?"
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Warmskin
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Posted - 01/14/2011 : 10:39:05 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by balataf
With the current debate also turning on whether House of Reps members should routinely carry weapons for self-defense:
Of course: Haven't you heard of "chambering a round?"
I suspect a pun, Balataf, in your last post, if I have my head on straight. If so, very clever!
Sen. Feinstein wants desperately to take our guns away, while she packs significant heat, via her hired bodyguards. Add Charles Schumer to that list of anti-Americans. Can we spell
h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y?
Interesting thing about the nearly slain congresswoman was that she seemed very moderate, as in Blue Dog Democrat. Not exactly a target of an extremist. A sick and evil, but politically aware and sensitive mind would have gone for a more polarizing politician, if his mindset was to advance his extreme cause. I am purely speculating on this, and have no idea, obviously, what went throught "mind" of this alleged mass murderer.
What political agenda is furthered by killing a moderate? My uninformed guess would be he might have been obsessed with her, or something related to her, or that his mind is an analogous train-wreck.
Again, that is merely speculation. I'm going to wait until the trial has been concluded before I can claim to have enough facts to discuss this crime with any fine-tuned seriousness, other than to feel a lot of heartfelt compassion for the victims, and their families and friends.
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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balataf
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Posted - 01/22/2011 : 4:00:17 PM
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Some commentators said recently that the Republican's repeal
drive is faltering. I doubt it because of the way that early
results are coming in.
The projection was that 375,000 would be enrolled in the
state high-risk pools by Jan. 1., three weeks ago. The true
figure is only 8,000, with expenses way above the projected
levels.
Rather than have to work hard at repeal, the top Republicans
may well be in the position to sit back and laugh while, slowly,
it collapses from its own poor design.
The unconstitutionality of the individual mandate, when it
plays out, may be an escape and relief from the Democrats'
suffering,
The question should be left up to whichever states might
choose to persue the problem. To me, this is dubious from
the state budgets and bond collapse due. The latter factor is
likely to decimate the forces unwise enuf to push the issue.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 01/24/2011 : 03:46:09 AM
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Another problem with the government's hostile takeover is simple math.
If there are 40 million people out there who will now be put into the system, where will the new requisite doctors come from? Oops, the little secret is out.
Assuming the number of doctors is a constant for some time to come, the time you get to see one for a meaningful amount of time is going the way of vacuum tube computers. If you think your doctor is in a hurry to get you out of his office now, just wait until the 40 million people crowd our collective waiting room. The too often easily duped Americans seem to blindly accept, or refuse to look the other way, as their congressman and senators help themselves to your share of health care. What does it take for the American people to figure out why Congress will not be part of the new government health care program?
If that is not feasible to give further good care, then we have to find a way to filter out who does not get medical help. What are the criteria for denying medical care to the excess people? It won't be your congressman or senator. They will get first class medical care. Does one think that they would politely bow out and not partake of their deluxe medical care arrangements?
The only people I see being denied medical care are grandpa and grandma. They don't work, don't produce, and are useless feeders in the eyes of the government. They're not good for paying much tax to the feds. No work, little income tax - what good are they to the national government.
Unless this anti-American government health care is voided now, we must prepare to give up health care now, and even more so, later on in life.
"Oh, did you need to have your burst appendix removed immediately? We'll get back to you on that. A younger person who is a government employee has taken your spot for the needed appendectomy. So sorry, but fortunately for you, Nancy Pelosi made it possible for you to get free aspirin for your pain. Your surgery has been indefinitely postponed. Have you thought of going to Bengladesh for your surgery. All you need is enough money to get there, but your citizenship will be revoked if you do that. But, don't worry about that. Sen Harry Reid says if you perform free community service in Barrow, Alaska for one year, we'll be glad to give back to you conditional citizenship, with no health care. Don't forget to vote for Nancy Pelosi next election. Thanks."
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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runekkid
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Posted - 02/02/2011 : 12:18:00 PM
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I understand a recent federal court decision ruled at least part of the health care bill unconstitutional in that it forces citizens to do something (like forcing them to buy health) insurance, as opposed to the usual constitionally invoked means of regulating something that someone has chosen to do (such as requring driver's licenses for those who choose to drive on public roads).
In effect, the entire law was ruled unconstitutional. I just wonder if such a ruling could have any long term effect on other things the government currently requires of its citizens, such as mandates that one has to wear buy and wear clothing. Could this be a possible defense for nudists?
If I had a tail, I'd wag it!
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homenude
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Posted - 02/03/2011 : 8:00:27 PM
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I"n effect, the entire law was ruled unconstitutional. I just wonder if such a ruling could have any long term effect on other things the government currently requires of its citizens, such as mandates that one has to wear buy and wear clothing. Could this be a possible defense for nudists?"
I doubt that these rulings will affect anti-nudity laws one way or another. Obamacare is a federal law. Under the constitution, all federal laws must be based upon one or more powers given to the federal government. Judge Vinson ruled that there was no constitutional power to justify Obamacare.
Anti-nudity laws (except in DC and federal parks and territories) are creatures of state law. The Supremes have long held that the state have broad "police powers" to regulate the activities of the citizens that may affect public health, order, safety or morality. So we are comparing apples and oranges in comparing a federal and state laws.
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runekkid
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Posted - 02/04/2011 : 3:16:29 PM
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I'm sure you are correct. I thought about the fed vs. state laws after I had posted.
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balataf
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Posted - 02/16/2011 : 7:32:57 PM
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There are four basic positions on the government budget:
Leftist: The US doesn't spend enuf and we should grow more government control, bailing out every failure that needed it.
Obama: Losing the election makes us cautious. Freeze spending at the current drastically dangerous inflated level.
Republican: Obey the people's votes, but try to slow down the needed cuts.
Tea Party: Slash spending and programs to the point where we can achieve budget balance as quickly as possible.
Similar struggles are going on in many states.
WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? WHERE WILL WE WIND UP?
My guess is that it will come down to a mixture somewhat above the main Republican but not very close to the Democrats.
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 02/17/2011 : 6:20:02 PM
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balataf: You forgot one.
Pessimist: Same to more spending, just on different crap and different special interests, while continuing the pandering to the social security set!
All kidding aside, since we have a split congress and a Dem president, my bet would be slightly below your Obama description. The power of a Veto is strong and the Republican establishment doesn't have the best track record of being able to control themselves over the past decade.
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