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 Posted - 09/04/2011 : 1:40:39 PM
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practice of naturism leads us close to nature. and nature permits violence.so is it wrong for nudists to be violent if situation comes?
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Psycho K
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Posted - 09/05/2011 : 04:18:13 AM
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...That feels like a silly question, but I'll give a thorough reply anyway. I'm not familiar with the main differences between nudism and naturism if any exist at all. I consider myself a nudist and all that means is that I would prefer a world where clothing was optional almost all the time. What you're talking about sounds like it has to do with a law-aligned existence versus a chaos-aligned one.
A law-aligned existence is fairly stress-free when executed fairly and efficiently. The laws are fair and mainly exist to keep a "civilization" working efficiently. It has markets exist with a currency that has legal significance so we avoid bartering. People are able to reliably get food from these markets instead of having to hunt for the resources themselves (if they are able to). Laws generally help these essential utilities exist.
Unfortunately, there are many non-essential states enforced by laws. Among these is having to wear clothes almost all the time if among others. Be aware that having this law change to "You can be naked anywhere except in these few instances, etc.," does not mean the society became more chaotic (opposite of lawful). The lawfulness just became more reasonable.
Law forbids violence because it is generally incompatible with society. When operating fairly and efficiently, law handles a lot of situations where violence would seem necessary in a chaotic structure (hard to get food, etc). Nature outside of the human empire doesn't "permit" violence; it's just chaos-aligned. Chaos is a very individualistic structure that rewards the strongest few rather than attempting to benefit all. It is very stressful since individuals generally have to assume that all strangers are hostiles that will (violently) rob them of their resources. If that is so, one has constantly make themselves mighty enough to defeat possible hostiles or intimidating enough to make no one want to challenge them.
I will finally get to what you're asking now. It is unlikely that anyone born in a society like what I described would prefer chaotic nature. I don't; I just like the physical comfort of being naked. This physical comfort happens to mirror what other animals might feel, but it doesn't suggest I want to live they way they do ideologically. That said, a lawful existence doesn't prevent a nudist from enjoying nature. In fact, it provides us with valuable substitutes to the wilderness like state parks. In the untouched wild, I don't think the modern naked human would do that well.
For the aforementioned reasons, violence doesn't become more of an option for nudists just because we have a more robust physical appreciation of nature.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 09/07/2011 : 12:19:10 AM
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Interesting to think about. Nudists have no armor or weapons to use, when with other nudists. Nudism does not incite us to violence. Clothing lends itself to violence, because of its protective nature. You can't conceal weapons very well if you're nude.
Think of this - the Army or Marines don't go nude when they fight. Not in this lifetime!! 
"I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind."
Thomas Jefferson
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