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sailawaybob
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Posted - 01/10/2011 : 02:54:27 AM
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its sad that the left and left wing media are already blaming sarah palin and the teaparty for the incident in arizona but when you read the facts the nutcase that did the shooting was a leftwing idiot that was a fan of hitler and the communist manifesto, i'm sure he wasn't a follower of palin or the teaparty. but when is the left going to stop blaming the right for all the tragedies in the world, i still can't get over how bush is to fault for 911 or new orleans, but clinton isn't to blame for the original world trade center bombing or the uss cole being attacked.
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 01/10/2011 : 08:49:23 AM
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Ducking n diving already. Ahhh the rhetoric says it all.
Give your excuses to the 9 yr olds family
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NaturistDoc
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Posted - 01/10/2011 : 11:17:54 AM
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The logic of calling a fan of Hitler a leftwing idiot escapes me, but that's not my point here. Whether or not this particular nutcase was inspired by the violence-inflected noise coming mainly (but not exclusively, it must be said) from the right-wing media and blogosphere, it cannot be denied that there is a considerable overlap between the hard right and the more extreme gun-rights advocates. My question is: How on God's green earth did the State of Arizona allow an individual with a well-documented history of psychological disturbance to purchase not just a pistol, but a Glock automatic? And carry it concealed! The Second Amendment is all well and good, but going from "a well-regulated militia" to Jared Loughner is one hell of a long stretch, don't you think? And spare me the "Guns don't kill people; people kill people" bullshit. If we as a society are going to continue to allow paranoid loons free access to highly lethal hardware, we're even crazier than Loughner.
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balataf
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Posted - 01/10/2011 : 11:47:51 AM
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I just got a look at the map in question from Palin. While the indicators appear to resemble gunsights, they could equally be just four-point stars. Much ado about nothing.
The recent debate on tax levels was actually about the job-creating effectiverness of high marginal tax levels on high-producing earners. Contrast this as propaganda bilge: "Republicans Declare Class War," This is at least as incendiary as Palin.
We need to calm down.
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I have not yet heard tht Loughner was ever arrested, exhibited outrite violent behaviour, had been committed, or crossed the line thaqt would trigger a legal disqualification.
I have known several equally confused personalities who did not apparently tend toward violence, or just blew it off in random talk.
On the 50th anniversary of the Charles Whitman incident at Univ of Texas, it was pointed out that he, an Eagle Scout, had a clear record before he killed a bunch. Autopsy showed a tumor eating away at his brain, which was presumed to be the cause of his turning insane.
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 01/10/2011 : 5:03:01 PM
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Ahhhhhhh the smoke and mirrors has started. Of course they were bloody gunsights, stop trying, and failing miserably to evade the issue. Much ado about nothing. How insensitive can you get. The congresswoman actually brought the subject up a cpl of days ago. I see that complete wack job beck is rambling away already. That man disgusts me
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HomeNudist
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 Posted - 01/10/2011 : 5:26:01 PM
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Sorry. Wrong again. A cartographer's location marker is a circle with a plus sign centered over it extending beyond the circle. A gunsight reticle is a circle with cross hairs that only go to the edge of the circle.
On the other side of the coin however, a bullseye (as used in the Democrat National Committee map) cannot be mistaken for anything other that a target.
Oh, about Beck's "rambling away", his call for everyone on all political sides to renounce violence is somehow a bad thing?
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 01/10/2011 : 8:43:45 PM
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Against my better judgement I'll chime in. When shootings like this happen I'm always amazed at the depths of utter disregard for human life displayed by the media and the disgusting display of opportunism from people with agendas that arises of out tragedies. Associating this with anyone like Palin or others is simply deplorable, I'm not even sure how the connection is being made as no evidence whatsoever points to political motive.
People get murdered everyday, people get shot everyday. where's the outcry for the no-name victims? The life of a office holder is no more precious or important than that of a day laborer, business person, drug addict or otherwise. One's contribution to society is just that, an often (but not always) measurable tangible increase in value created by one's efforts, it is entirely unrelated to the worth of human life.
So who's committing all these murders in United States? I dare say it's typically not a Tea Party supporting, NRA card carrying, Fox News watching type. As crazy of a whack job I personally find Glen Beck to be, I really doubt his audience is driving up the murder stats. Don't you think an otherwise sane person who intentionally gets drunk and drives a car and kills an innocent victim is every-bit as mad as the shooter?
For God's sake a 9 year-old girl was killed in cold blood by a deranged man. That's the story, Not Palin!
Besides, I always knew it was that damn Jodie Foster's fault for Reagan being shot! Vicious bitch!
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homenude
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Posted - 01/10/2011 : 10:00:08 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by NaturistDoc
My question is: How on God's green earth did the State of Arizona allow an individual with a well-documented history of psychological disturbance to purchase not just a pistol, but a Glock automatic? And carry it concealed!
The law in Arizona is the same that is elsewhere. Until such time as a judge rules that someone is mentally ill, the law presumes that someone is sane.
To my knowledge, his Glock was a semi, not an automatic. I carry a Glock. His is a lot like mine.
As Dr. Charles Krauthammer said today, clerks at gun shops are not psychiatrists.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 01:09:04 AM
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As I said earlier in this thread, let's let the professionals sort throught this tragedy. Let the victims' families mourn their losses in peace. Let the court and jury decide what is what. All we can do is speculate with our incomplete information. We're amateurs at best. Each one of us, compared to the professional people who are going to sift through this whole thing, is but an incompetent analyst, including me. However, we can try to nudge our fellow nudists to not fly off the handle with wild statements. Moderation would be a good thing right now. Jumping to partisan conclusions is tantamount to the knee-jerk vigilantes of the 1800s.
Let them do their jobs, and give us their best analysis. After that, there will be much more to talk about with the actual facts at hand. There may be a mountain of information that we simply don't know about at this time.
This would be like trying, as laymen, to talk about the prognosis of a patient, wherein we don't know fully what the diagnosis is. That is why I hastily wrote that spoof of Palin hiring a hit man. It shows the folly of jumping to hasty conclusions.
It's not flattering to try to score points on the backs of the victims' families and friends.
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 09:43:54 AM
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Thats it, duck n dive, evade the issue.............same ol, same ol.
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balataf
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 12:56:21 PM
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H, I don't think anyone is "ducking and diving" so much as looking at the question with a rational perspective. But,the point is not important at all, anyhow, as there is zero evidence that the VERY CONFUSED shooter ever saw the map in question, much less that it contributed to his derangement.
TV news analysis hss published expanded information, Mr. L. developed his mental problems mostly in the last two years, and had no record of actual violence, merely irrational and bizarre verbal outbursts. Most such troubled people never cross that line, but just drift on thru life, and there is likely no one who is totally without occasional problems. Certainly. I're had some incidents in my own past, 40 years ago, particularly "decompressing" after Viet Nam. But our knowledge of who will actually blow up, and when, like this and the Virginia Polytech incident is very cloudy.
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HomeNudist
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 3:27:42 PM
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I don't think i have been ducking and diving, or evading the issue. What I have done is repeatedly show the fallacy and hypocrisy in your claims that the political right was responsible for this shooting.
The simple fact is the shooter is coo-coo for CoCo Puffs. End of story. Even though the radical left started claiming that the right and Sarah Palin were responsible before the name of the shooter was known, there is still NO EVIDENCE 3 days later to support those FALSE claims. According to a CBS News Poll, the majority of Americans also agree that the political right is NOT responsible for this shooting.
BTW, I still have not seen how Beck calling for all sides to renounce violence is a bad thing. I guess no response is somehow not evading the issue.
This incident is what it is. A lone nutcase who had issues with Gifford going back 3 years. That is one year before Palin came on the National scene. A lone nutcase that the Sheriff Dept. had repeated contacts with. Enough contact that the Sheriff himself knew the correct family preferred pronunciation of the family name. Think about this, if the (well documented liberal Democrat) Sheriff had done his job and referred Jared to a Mental Health exam, Jared Loughner would never had passed the NICS check and could not have bought the gun in the first place. Why was that referral not made? Was it because of Amy Loughner's employment in County Government? Did cronyism have something to do with suppressing Jared's Mental Health problems?
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balataf
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Posted - 01/11/2011 : 6:52:09 PM
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It appears that Loughner fixated on stalking Gibbons before Palin was nationally known or nominated as V.P. Rather hard to put any blame there!
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 01/12/2011 : 1:37:44 PM
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Nobody is evading anything. The facts are that the guy is described by his friends as being a "left of center" and a heavy potsmoker. He was registered independent and did NOT vote in the last election. His friends also say he didn't watch TV or listen to talk radio. THE GUY WAS INSANE. Read some of his postings. He had been stocking Gillfords for some time. The leap of logic as to how this is somehow Sarah Palin's fault astounds me. This is exactly why I often fine it so frustrating to discuss things with some people; many refuse to deal with actual facts. I don't care about your FEELINGS that it's someone's fault. Let's stick with facts. I'm no fan of Mrs. Palin, but I think she is coming out of this much better than the sloppy thinkers who are accusing her.
I agree insane people should not have access to guns (or knives), but unless a person is certified crazy by a professional, I'm don't think they can be stopped. Maybe we need to change that law?
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