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Bill Bowser
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 Posted - 09/21/2010 : 5:11:04 PM
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$128 trillion divided up among 300 million people amounts to almost $427,000 for every man, woman, and child in the country. I don't know how many of you can handle that. I know I can't.
For far too long the politicians of both parties have been bribing the voters with money which will have to be paid by their children, grandchildren, great grandchildren, and who knows how many generations to come. This is fiscal insanity.
Obama complains about Bush's unpaid for tax cuts and wars - what a joke. No federal government programs are paid for. What kind of logic makes this guy blame his predecessor for irrational fiscal policy who then spends trillions of dollars on more stupid government programs. For our won survival we must get rid of these people. The inmates have taken over the asylum.
Bill Bowser - Cincinnati
Nudists are everywhere, but they're hard to identify with their clothes on.
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 09/22/2010 : 09:35:51 AM
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Love it. Bush comes in with zero debt, racks up billions and then the next guy gets all the blame.
Live love and have fun
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jbsnc
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Posted - 09/22/2010 : 11:44:03 AM
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Originally posted by hernandocpl
Love it. Bush comes in with zero debt, racks up billions and then the next guy gets all the blame.
Live love and have fun
National finances can be expressed many ways, two are the national debt, which is accumulative year after year, and national deficit which is a measure of one fiscal year's in-flow versus out-flow. The national debt was 2.1 trillion dollars after Reagan's presidency and now is approaching $14 trillion. The national debt grew each and every year of my life, save a year or so under Ike, including every year of Clinton's presidency.
During Clinton's presidency there were 2 or 3 years of no deficits.
I have never read a responsible source, including myself, assert that Obama should get all the blame for the national debt. Cite me examples.
Bill, I too am a bit short of ready cash.
Happy Nuding.
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JimmieMac51
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Posted - 09/22/2010 : 1:31:49 PM
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If I'm not mistaken, Clinton was the party responsible for NAFTA. The state of the country may have been in good shape when he was in but I don't think he is not partly to blame for the state we're in now. With factories closing up all over America and going to Mexico, China, and wherever else they can get cheap labor, those "income tax dollars" are what have been paying for the irresponsible spending of "ALL" the government leaders.
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jbsnc
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Posted - 09/22/2010 : 1:48:49 PM
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JimmieMac51, You are correct, Clinton was a strong supporter of NAFTA and its implementation.
Happy Nuding.
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 09/22/2010 : 7:05:02 PM
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Originally posted by hernandocpl
Love it. Bush comes in with zero debt, racks up billions and then the next guy gets all the blame.
Live love and have fun
Reality check.......The national debt stood at $5.7 Trillion dollars when George Bush took office. It was at $4.0 when Clinton took office.
True, Bush era debt increases of about $4.4 Trillion by far exceed the $1.7 Trillion it grew under Clinton, but Clinton was the benefactor of a fiscally responsible Republican congress for 6 of his 8 years. Interesting to note that the vast majority of the increase under Clinton was during the first two years when he had a Democratic congress. Bush had a split congress for the last 6 of his 8 years.
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jbsnc
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Posted - 09/22/2010 : 11:08:00 PM
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FlCpl4NewdFun's post illustrates much about politics. During the first two years of Clinton, Hillarycare was pushed big time but failed. Many fiscal conservatives were elected in 94 and Clinton moved right. The Contract With America, Clinton's support of financial reforms and the huge High Tech bubble spurred the economy. The selfish GOP, such as Dennis Hastert, later went bananas and 'cashed in.'
As I understand it, Clinton made $35,000 a year as Arkansas governor (+ expenses) and failed in the private sector with Whitewater. The rewards of presidency are huge, apparently the Clinton's are now worth over $100 million and likely engage in massive, legal tax avoidance.
If the Bush tax cuts expire, the highest income tax margin will rise from 35% to 39.6%. What would this have done to Mrs. John F. Kerry's real federal 'income' tax rate of 10.8% on over $3,000,000 of income in 2003, almost nothing. Her income was not 'earned.'
As perhaps Bill Browser did (and despite Rush Limbaugh's difficulty with arithmetic) big numbers aren't all that difficult. Don't deal with 128,000,000,000,000 and 300,000,000. Convert the numbers to powers of ten, 128 x 10 to the 12th or 1280 x 10 to the 11th, and 300 x 10 to the 6th. Divide and you get 4.27 x 10 to the 5th or 427,000. Its so easy even a cave man can do it?
Happy Nuding.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 09/24/2010 : 12:13:46 AM
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If all this predictable failure of government keeps up, I will no longer be able to afford clothes. The good news is, neither will my neighbors.
Seriously, does anyone really and actually believe that government can produce wealth and abundance for the American people? If you do, please let us know how it can. Or, perhaps one could name one famous government employee who invented something that we all can use today.
The neo-liberals still cling to the notion that government workers are far more intelligent, thus the need for them to direct our lives to the "n"th degree.
The neo-conservatives cling to the idea that war is always necessary, but if not provable to the people, lies can be conveyed to them to fool them long enough to drop bombs on more innocent civilians.
Time to let the libertarians have a shot at governing. The biggest risk of that is more freedom, wealth, respect from the world, and a good deal more of self-respect. I know, that is too risky!! 
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 09/24/2010 : 6:08:17 PM
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NaturistDoc
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Posted - 09/24/2010 : 10:41:59 PM
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You gotta give the Republicans credit; they know their base. If you need any proof, go to their "Pledge to America" website. The Pledge itself is the usual sort of platitudes and horseshit that you'd expect from any political organization. But the particularly revealing subtext can be found in the pictures that accompany the text. Aside from Republican politicians and scenes of Americana, there are hundreds of Plain Old Americans depicted. See if you can spot the common denominator.
http://pledge.gop.gov/resources/library/documents/pledge/a-pledge-to-america.pdf
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Warmskin
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Posted - 09/25/2010 : 03:25:57 AM
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Interesting reading, Doc.
Actually, they didn't have to go to all of this trouble. All each member of Congress has to do is uphold the US Constutition as written and amended. Simple. No visual aids needed for that. Yes, that means obey the Constution as if it were nude, and with no confusing or obfuscating covers over it.
See the way I tied the two topics together? I know, you're envious of my cleverness, and I appreciate that very much. 
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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1970Alumni
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Posted - 09/25/2010 : 5:31:17 PM
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Naturistdoc: Those photos are included in the Pledge to America are amazing. Even with Michael Steele as Chairman of the GOP, the Republicians have put together a 48 page phamphlet with no photos of people of color - NONE. There is one woman who apprears to be of East Asian heritage; No Native Americans, either. Who does the GOP public relations work?
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 09/25/2010 : 8:42:27 PM
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C'mon - Page 10, 12, 18, 36, and 44.
And just what does a native american look like anyway? Last time I walked into a Native American casino the execs looked pretty much like everybody else, did you expect to see warpaint and moccasins? And here I was thinking doc was pointing out there was no young people in the pictures, seriously how did they not throw a chubby baby in at some point, or perhaps and attractive clean cut college student enjoying a malt at the student union every fifth page. On the plus side, I bet there had to be some nudists in there!
Besides as doc stated, it's for their base and is designed to win the elections. It just might work, the "Pledge to America" is far less scary that Nancy Pelosi.
On a different note, did anyone catch the video of Colbert at the congressional committee meeting? Hilarious!!!!
Cheers!
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old hippie
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Posted - 09/26/2010 : 10:56:18 AM
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Originally posted by NaturistDoc
You gotta give the Republicans credit; they know their base. If you need any proof, go to their "Pledge to America" website. The Pledge itself is the usual sort of platitudes and horseshit that you'd expect from any political organization. But the particularly revealing subtext can be found in the pictures that accompany the text. Aside from Republican politicians and scenes of Americana, there are hundreds of Plain Old Americans depicted. See if you can spot the common denominator.
http://pledge.gop.gov/resources/library/documents/pledge/a-pledge-to-america.pdf
Nice document, Doc.
Yup. Looks to me like they are all well-fed, well-dressed, over thirty, and healthy. Just the sort of people I would expect might prefer political rallies over a nude beach. Oh, and I wonder how many of them would support a nude beach in their home state?
Dum vivimus, vivamus!
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1970Alumni
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Posted - 09/26/2010 : 2:05:44 PM
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FLCPL4NEWDFUN: I stand corrected and I apologize for the error. You are correct. There is one woman of color shown on page 44. As to pages 10,12,18 and 36 maybe you are seeing something I can't, but I can see no non-whites. As to native Anericans; no I didn't expect war paint or mocassins, and I certainly did not mean to insult anyone. (I suspect the execs you saw at the casinos where hired by the tribal authorities - not aboriginal Americans themselves.) Nevertheless I repeat my apology - the NONE in my original post was incorrect and I regret this error and the resulting offense it may have caused.
Maybe NudeDoc could weigh in since the "common denominator" he refered to may have been age or someother demographic.
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