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DaffyTaffy2
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 Posted - 07/29/2010 : 2:00:06 PM
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Wow you guys get really lengthy don't ya? 
It's like getting a histort lesson! Not that thats a bad thing for some!
Maybe I sould print these and distribute to the 8th graders in the area? Even the ones over 21? LMAO
You guys r great fun to read and enjoy your postes.
Be Blessed - Be naked!
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balataf
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 3:06:00 PM
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Hi Warmskin,
this is the same old tired srgument you repeat over and over> ther is nothing "foreign" about the current and recent Neocons. As pointed out, the first undeclared war took place under Adms and Jefferson, the second under Jefferson and Madison. This is ignored in your posting, and sharply indicates where the Founding Fathers stood in reality. Deal with it!
American commercial interaction with the rest of the World is about 40 times that of Canada. That is why we were a target, hitting first at the WORLD TRADE center, both in 1993 and 2001.
WWI, after the calculated UBoat attacks on American shipping, was hardly frivolous. The Kaiser's General Staff hoped to strangle British food imports for a knockout before America could mobilize.
The defensive principles of the French Naval War and Barbary Pirates should apply. Can you deny that? The Afghan stabilization resembles elements of "The Shores of Tripoli." Interactions of sea power are necessarily and unavoidably global in nature. Some Somali Pirates were captured and drqgged off for trial by a Danish ship, recently.
The largest problem in foreign policy is that it now takes up to 25 years to produce a new weapons system, and several years to properly train the average hi-tech soldier. I spent six years as the training NCO for a National Guard Battalion for Nuclear, Biologic and Chemical defense. There are dimensions to these problems that did not even exist when I was in Viet Nam. It is more complicated with each new year. I look with amazement at things profiled on the Internet since I was active, 26 years ago.
The strategy and tactics of foreign policy are largely dictated by geopolitics and considerations of balance-of-power. Unless you cut off trade and commuications into decay and stagnation like pre-Opening Japan of the Tokugawas. Impossile for anyone today, (altho No. Korea tries.) especially when you stretch from Samoa and Guam and Alaska to the Virgin Islands and Maine.
The dangerous move to abolish nuclear weapons would make major wars much, much more likely, for instance, NOT make the World safer. On the other hand, further spreaqd to irresponsible regimes like today's No. Korea and Iran. (I predict both regimes will not last long.) We have had no major wars anywhere in the World since WWII, and removing the lid is not good.
Canada has the foreign policy that it does, because it has been protected by both Briain and America, and has had no aggressive neighbors. If we stick our heads in the sand, who's got the forces to protect America?
America, while not remotely an empire, is an imperium, that is to say, the prime leadership nation in cultural, social, political and military fields. It is impossible to seperate out any part of this because it is all totally intertwined. That's the real situation.
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capecodjack
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Posted - 07/29/2010 : 11:01:15 PM
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The Founding Fathers lived in a new country that felt that only land owners could vote, that slaves were counted as one third of a person for census figures, that women should not vote. In spite of all this some people revere the Founding Fathers as deities.
By the way, does anybody remember the support we gave the Taliban during the Russian incursion in Afghanistan. They finally abandoned their futile campaign which brought down their then hierarchy. Now we are on the face of proving, once again that they who do not learn from their mistakes (or someone else's)are sure to repeat them. The Russians left after ten years. Maybe we can stay twenty and spend twice as much to prove that we can be just twice as stupid as the Russians.
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 07/30/2010 : 01:39:16 AM
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It amazes me that we go around the world feeding the poor, building schools, roads, hospitals and securing their borders but here in the usa our intrustructure is collasping our borders are unsecure and we are broke but we still are shelling out billions of dollars overseas. the main problem is we have a government where our elected officals are mostly corrupt and out to make their millions and what ever you do don't ask them to pay their taxes, and why aren't americans upset probably because half of them are on entitlements and don't want to be bothered while they are watching their entertainment tv shows. will america survive maybe because if we don't you will see a domino effect like the plage spread around the world.
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jbsnc
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Posted - 07/30/2010 : 11:31:18 AM
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Capecodjack, Comparing 1770 America with 1964-2010 America can be very misleading. The 1770 world had blacks enslaving blacks, Arabs enslaving blacks, French and Spanish and Portuguese enslaving blacks in greater numbers than the British and Americans, American Indians enslaving Indians, Chinese enslaving Chinese, and on and on. Bottom line? We all have ancestors who were enslaved.
America’s Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation and Constitution were serious departures from most of the world’s governments. Our notion that rights are given by God and not government was a giant step towards freedom. To this day many Muslim women are enslaved or partially enslaved by Muslim governments and Sharia Law.
Happy Nuding.
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balataf
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Posted - 07/30/2010 : 3:12:27 PM
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Points On Afghanistan
The Taliban's first negotiating point in their talks withg the Afghan Govt., is still the total end of all education for girls and women. They still attack schoolgirls with battery acid into the eyes. Does anyone here suggest that we should quit and go along with this? Remember thwt it is their most important, central demand.
I have a list of 85 insurgency wars since 1850 (Not set-piece ones of regular armies.) The side equivalent to the US/Afghan Govt., won 55, the rebels won 17, 14 were compromise peaces, like recxent Nepal or El Slvado 20 years ago, and the rest are still going on, as in Afghanistan.
But the AVERAGE length is 12.8 years, with ranges from 3 months to 57 1/2 years, Three lsted over 50 years, with a dozen or so over thirty. The key is PATIENCE, and building a modern society.
This is in an area where potential soldiers have 83% illiteracy and need to put units together of people with 7 major languages. Yet it is a doable job, if we don't abandon the progressive people.
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NaturistDoc
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Posted - 07/30/2010 : 5:57:03 PM
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What worries me is that what Balataf refers to as "the progressive people" is in fact a small and despised minority. Should we be in the business of imposing "modernism" on people who genuinely seem to wish to live life as it was in the 16th Century?
Further, Patience is no doubt a virtue, but at what point does "patience" turns into "throwing good money after bad"? According to Pentagon figures, the Afghan cost $6.7 billion dollars ... in February! (And February was a short month!) And the estimated costs going forward do nothing but increase. All that money might do wonders for our own deficits.
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balataf
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Posted - 07/30/2010 : 8:59:43 PM
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What about the costs of having a Taliban regime as a base for future actions, especially as regards the 175 million people of nuclear-armed Pakistan, with their own interlocking Taliban movement.
This reminds me of the analysis done by several differet agencies, that the main benefit of the Viet Nam War came with the related convulsion in Indonesia. Sukarno was moving with the intenion of backing a Mao-style Communist takeover within Indonesia, figuring he could do a conversion like Castro's. The long-term results of such a "Peking-Jakarta Axis" would easily have cost a dozen times what our involvement in Indochina Indonesia has 250 million people, about the same as the UD thirty-odd years ago. Many in Geopolitics feel thqt the US got off very cheaply given the rel potential danger.
Foreign policy is like a chess game in that the real strategy depends on what actions could be taken up to five moves ahead. I am personally not too concerned about Iran, given certain factors that I expect will collpase the regime, but a Taliban Pakistan should send shivers thru any person with half a brain. Facing nucleqr-armed India, with about 400 million Moslems as a minority, and both bordering China. Dangers are squared. cubed, and more. Most people do not look ahead, any more than most could see Hitler in the 1920s. When the facts are laid out clearly, most people can see it, but just are not open to such thinking in their every-day worlds. It is like understanding the more esoteric principles and details in medical specialties like oncology.
The cost, in blood and money, is likely to be much worse than a dozen more years of this which is very low-intensity. We had a group of individual battles in WWII that had more casualties than the Iraq and Afghan Wars put together: Okinawa, The Bulge, Normandy, etc. People lose their sense of proporton. I am well aware of the price, with a year in Viet Nam in the 11th Armored Cavalry, losing some buddies there. Also, seperatly, my best friend from freshman year in college.
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NaturistDoc
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Posted - 07/31/2010 : 1:11:15 PM
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No doubt the families of the dead soldiers will take great comfort from your description of the Afghan war as "low-intensity". True, the carnage isn't quite on a scale with, say, Second Manassas. But most observers acknowledge that our current strategy has been ineffective at best, and as we know from Vietnam, American politicians will almost invariably choose to escalate rather than being accused of wanting to "cut and run". Anyone care to bet that we won't have many more troops in Afghanistan a year from now?
Not everyone with half a brain thinks our foreign policy should be dictated solely by fear.
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balataf
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Posted - 07/31/2010 : 8:50:21 PM
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Doc, I'm quite puzzled why you think that dealing with a "chess-board" of World politics implies some sort of fear, when rational chess-like calcultions are better. Fear, like some of the past unreasoning anti-Communist hysteria, leads to great mistakes. I reject "fear" as a operating basis, and find the argument not realy relevant to the points I'm pushing.
There is a good bit of mind-clouding phobia out there, like with the "Ground Zero Mosque." There is no rational reason to block the project, altho it is somehat distasteful to me personally. Freedom of Religion is still in the Constitution.
But, battery-acid blinding of little girls as a punishment for wanting to learn to read should be opposed, and that is not a question of me being afraid, when basic Humanitarian principles should apply. Fear is not the question, when there is ample reason to uphold basic justice.
When I talk with people, I have found that ther are some relatives of casualties, but I have found myself talking much more to wounded themselves. I have never gotten any argument over "low-intensity" from anyone, as it is the plain clear truth, which the soldier themselves discuss readily. The same things happened when discussing Viet Nam, both when I was in Viet Nam, and after, as being a minor conflict compared to the World Wars.
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DaffyTaffy2
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Posted - 08/03/2010 : 1:34:45 PM
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Ok well moving on? Maybe you all should seriosly consider starting a new post entitled:
Political education and view point
because now its less about the Tea party movement and more about history!!!!!!!!!!
Start new history geez we can all look history up in a book or on the net!
later
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balataf
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Posted - 08/05/2010 : 08:27:16 AM
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While it is not strictly "Tea Party", it is noteworthy that Missouri, not particularly a conservative hotbed, voted 71.1% against the Obamacare abuses. This was in a primary with bth Democrats and Republicans turning out. This carried in 113 of the 115 counties, and even got 42% in mostly-Black Saint Louis City.
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aznative101
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 11:09:39 AM
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The supreme court is the final arbiter on what is constitutional. We want the government to help us then get upset when they do. We need something to contain health care costs. I am looking at medicare next year. I have the V. A. and so far so good. I hope that some of you know that social security didn't come along til FDR. Think some of you are living off that now.
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balataf
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Posted - 08/12/2010 : 12:09:14 PM
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The Supreme Court can't stand for very long in opposition to a determined majority of voters. Elect the president and you change the Court over time. Re4sults like the Missouri Referendum's 71.1% are cquite persuasive, and happen also to be basicly correct, even if flawed in a technical sense.
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jbsnc
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Posted - 08/13/2010 : 7:08:20 PM
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quote:
Originally posted by aznative101
The supreme court is the final arbiter on what is constitutional. We want the government to help us then get upset when they do. We need something to contain health care costs. I am looking at medicare next year. I have the V. A. and so far so good. I hope that some of you know that social security didn't come along til FDR. Think some of you are living off that now.
If anyone is 'solely' living off Social Security I would like to know where. Belize, Costa Rica? I've read that both are good places to live. And as many know both are closer to the equator resulting in fewer cancers even for pale faces such as I (me?).
Yes, Social Security was initiated under FDR in the 30s. Then, the white male life expectancy was 65 years so about 1/2 would never receive any 'return' on their money. Surplus SS revenues were not 'invested' they were spent as General Revenue: and now we are becoming under a rock and a hard place. This Ponzi scheme, illegal in the private sector but not in the government sector, is not sustainable according to numerous economists. Had FDR and the Congress invested these surpluses the amount of money accrued could be awesome.
The Supreme Court does not typically arbitrate, they favor their agenda. Split rulings of 5-4 and 6-3 prove there isn't 'A Rule of Law.'
FDR gave some good Fire Side Speeches but Winston Churchill was THE spokesman for the west.
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