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Posted - 03/23/2011 : 9:55:51 PM
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I did not say that you were so, only thqt if you could not answer the simple questions that indicated a certain blindness. Will you answer?
You do not need to accept the category, that is up to you, which id wehat I said firwt. It is up to you. The problem is not ad-hominem, it is a lack of responsible analysis, after you repeated;y ignored a few simple questions. Reply responsibly and you have my apology. Irresponsibility will not get it.
An Israeli commuter bus was blown up today by a command-detonated device.
Anyone else is invited to comment on either/both of us.
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Balataf,
I admire profoundly your incredible patience. I could not really be like you.
Warmskin,
Palestine WAS NEVER OCCUPIED. If only the palestinians had accepted Israel since 1948, we would not be where we are now. All the Arabs asked the Palestinians to run, because them the Arabs, were going back to Israel, and throw all the Jews in the sea. Unfortunately 150,000,00 Arabs lost against may be one million of Jews.
Israel has been created to have at least one JEWISH state. The Arabs have a lot of states, and Israel did not take anything from the Arabs, not like the Arabs had obliged their Jewish Citizens to flee, after living in the Arab states for centuries and centuries, lucky some of them left alive. You talk about massacres. Arabs massacred dozen of Jews in what was Palestine, just because they were Jews, back in 1929.
Only last week a whole family were massacred by Palestinians, three children from three months to 11 years with Mother and Father, savagely with knives. And another daughter came home to find this atrocity. She is a teenager, think how she will live after having seen that.
Please do not talk about Israelis and their brutality. I lived in an Arab Country, and believe me some of the Arabs were so brutal you would not believe. Even to their own people. An Arab servant to another Arab family, was not allowed to go out, did not earn anything, and was practically a slave to that family. I do not say that all were like that, but I HAVE SEEN IT, and I know, just as I know that a lot of Moslems are hospitable and correct.
But now the schools in these Arab countries are brain washing the children to learn one thing only : to KILL JEWS. I could go on and on, but you Warmskin, you have a very closed mind and extremely stubborn.
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Posted - 03/23/2011 : 10:21:52 PM
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Balataf,
I admire profoundly your incredible patience. I could not really be like you.
Warmskin,
Palestine WAS NEVER OCCUPIED. If only the palestinians had accepted Israel since 1948, we would not be where we are now. All the Arabs asked the Palestinians to run, because them the Arabs, were going back to Israel, and throw all the Jews in the sea. Unfortunately 150,000,00 Arabs lost against may be one million of Jews.
Israel has been created to have at least one JEWISH state. The Arabs have a lot of states, and Israel did not take anything from the Arabs, not like the Arabs had obliged their Jewish Citizens to flee, after living in the Arab states for centuries and centuries, lucky some of them left alive. You talk about massacres. Arabs massacred dozen of Jews in what was Palestine, just because they were Jews, back in 1929.
Only last week a whole family were massacred by Palestinians, three children from three months to 11 years with Mother and Father, savagely with knives. And another daughter came home to find this atrocity. She is a teenager, think how she will live after having seen that.
Please do not talk about Israelis and their brutality. I lived in an Arab Country, and believe me some of the Arabs were so brutal you would not believe. Even to their own people. An Arab servant to another Arab family, was not allowed to go out, did not earn anything, and was practically a slave to that family. I do not say that all were like that, but I HAVE SEEN IT, and I know, just as I know that a lot of Moslems are hospitable and correct.
But now the schools in these Arab countries are brain washing the children to learn one thing only : to KILL JEWS. I could go on and on, but you Warmskin, you have a very closed mind and extremely stubborn.
Rahel
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Posted - 03/23/2011 : 10:21:53 PM
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Balataf,
I admire profoundly your incredible patience. I could not really be like you.
Warmskin,
Palestine WAS NEVER OCCUPIED. If only the palestinians had accepted Israel since 1948, we would not be where we are now. All the Arabs asked the Palestinians to run, because them the Arabs, were going back to Israel, and throw all the Jews in the sea. Unfortunately 150,000,00 Arabs lost against may be one million of Jews.
Israel has been created to have at least one JEWISH state. The Arabs have a lot of states, and Israel did not take anything from the Arabs, not like the Arabs had obliged their Jewish Citizens to flee, after living in the Arab states for centuries and centuries, lucky some of them left alive. You talk about massacres. Arabs massacred dozen of Jews in what was Palestine, just because they were Jews, back in 1929.
Only last week a whole family were massacred by Palestinians, three children from three months to 11 years with Mother and Father, savagely with knives. And another daughter came home to find this atrocity. She is a teenager, think how she will live after having seen that.
Please do not talk about Israelis and their brutality. I lived in an Arab Country, and believe me some of the Arabs were so brutal you would not believe. Even to their own people. An Arab servant to another Arab family, was not allowed to go out, did not earn anything, and was practically a slave to that family. I do not say that all were like that, but I HAVE SEEN IT, and I know, just as I know that a lot of Moslems are hospitable and correct.
But now the schools in these Arab countries are brain washing the children to learn one thing only : to KILL JEWS. I could go on and on, but you Warmskin, you have a very closed mind and extremely stubborn.
Rahel
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Posted - 03/23/2011 : 10:21:54 PM
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Balataf,
I admire profoundly your incredible patience. I could not really be like you.
Warmskin,
Palestine WAS NEVER OCCUPIED. If only the palestinians had accepted Israel since 1948, we would not be where we are now. All the Arabs asked the Palestinians to run, because them the Arabs, were going back to Israel, and throw all the Jews in the sea. Unfortunately 150,000,00 Arabs lost against may be one million of Jews.
Israel has been created to have at least one JEWISH state. The Arabs have a lot of states, and Israel did not take anything from the Arabs, not like the Arabs had obliged their Jewish Citizens to flee, after living in the Arab states for centuries and centuries, lucky some of them left alive. You talk about massacres. Arabs massacred dozen of Jews in what was Palestine, just because they were Jews, back in 1929.
Only last week a whole family were massacred by Palestinians, three children from three months to 11 years with Mother and Father, savagely with knives. And another daughter came home to find this atrocity. She is a teenager, think how she will live after having seen that.
Please do not talk about Israelis and their brutality. I lived in an Arab Country, and believe me some of the Arabs were so brutal you would not believe. Even to their own people. An Arab servant to another Arab family, was not allowed to go out, did not earn anything, and was practically a slave to that family. I do not say that all were like that, but I HAVE SEEN IT, and I know, just as I know that a lot of Moslems are hospitable and correct.
But now the schools in these Arab countries are brain washing the children to learn one thing only : to KILL JEWS. I could go on and on, but you Warmskin, you have a very closed mind and extremely stubborn.
Rahel
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Posted - 03/23/2011 : 10:26:15 PM
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Balataf,
I admire profoundly your incredible patience. I could not really be like you.
Warmskin,
Palestine WAS NEVER OCCUPIED. If only the palestinians had accepted Israel since 1948, we would not be where we are now. All the Arabs asked the Palestinians to run, because them the Arabs, were going back to Israel, and throw all the Jews in the sea. Unfortunately 150,000,00 Arabs lost against may be one million of Jews.
Israel has been created to have at least one JEWISH state. The Arabs have a lot of states, and Israel did not take anything from the Arabs, not like the Arabs had obliged their Jewish Citizens to flee, after living in the Arab states for centuries and centuries, lucky some of them left alive. You talk about massacres. Arabs massacred dozen of Jews in what was Palestine, just because they were Jews, back in 1929.
Only last week a whole family were massacred by Palestinians, three children from three months to 11 years with Mother and Father, savagely with knives. And another daughter came home to find this atrocity. She is a teenager, think how she will live after having seen that.
Please do not talk about Israelis and their brutality. I lived in an Arab Country, and believe me some of the Arabs were so brutal you would not believe. Even to their own people. An Arab servant to another Arab family, was not allowed to go out, did not earn anything, and was practically a slave to that family. I do not say that all were like that, but I HAVE SEEN IT, and I know, just as I know that a lot of Moslems are hospitable and correct.
But now the schools in these Arab countries are brain washing the children to learn one thing only : to KILL JEWS. I could go on and on, but you Warmskin, you have a very closed mind and extremely stubborn.
Rahel
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Posted - 03/23/2011 : 10:54:38 PM
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I do not know why my answer was registered as 0934 Mele.
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Posted - 03/24/2011 : 05:43:55 AM
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Rahel,
If Palestine was never occupied, then we can be sure that all the Israeli soldiers who are all over Palestine are there to hand out food, and medicine. Wait, you may be right, the Israeli soldiers are all over Palestine to give away free laptops to all the of the citizens there. Just kidding about that, but what else can I believe when you say there are no troops in Gaza and the West Bank?
Frankly, I don't know how your statements are to be believed due to lack of evidence to support your sentiments. All photos and videos taken in Palestine by neutral sources show the brutal Israeli forces harrassing and beating the hapless Palestinians inside Palestine. If a foreign bunch of soldiers are in one's homeland, it's called occupation, and the whole world knows it, except for fans of Israel, as it is today.
Rahel, I can say anything that is true and that comports with the rules of this forum. It is documented quite thoroughly that Israel tortures prisoners, including Christian ones. The Israeli troops occupying Palestine, and their cruelty towards innocent Palestinians are well-known and documented, but perhaps you didn't get that memo. I didn't get if until a few years ago, myself, so don't feel bad about that.
The notion that you put forth that Israel has never, ever done anything wrong is without merit. Ask the UN, they keep on condemning Israel, time after time, but Israel has yet to correct itself in the eyes of the world. Only the folks whose statements confess of grasping at straws can say that Israel is completely innocent. There is way too much evidence that Israel has committed atrocities, including soem against America, and does to this day. Of course, some Palestinians do, which should be thoroughly condemned, too, but not anywhere as massively and methodically as Israel.
The real facts of history, and of the present, do not show your favored state to be kind towards a helpless people who have no air force, army, or navy.
My nation is America, and the Founders of this country would fully be aligned with me on this. They told us to stay out of foreign entanglements, and to not have allies, because we would inherit their enemies. We have done just that in recent history, and we have been dealt some serious blows for not complying with our Founders' advice.
Your statements remind me of the old Soviet style statements that were never factual. Not all of your statements are incorrect, but your notion that Palestine is free of Israeli soldiers would not be believed by any person who is aware of that situation.
Just to show that a statement that denies that Israeli soldiers are not in Palestine holds no water, here are some illustrative video clips that need to be seen. This films were taken in Palestine. The soldiers are Israeli. But wait a moment; Israeli soldiers are not in Palestine. Hmmm, Rahel, you might want to revisit your your previous post about what is going on in Palestine.
It will take intellectual honesty and courage to watch these.
Video of brave Israelis harrassing women in Palestine - but you, Rahel, say there are no troops in Palestine. Hmmm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toxHmsWO4to&feature=related
Next, we see non-existent Israeli soldiers being cruel towards people from outside the Mideast. This is in Palestine, where you say no soldiers are. What are the people in greeen uniforms then?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al-ItdsaQLs&feature=related
Here is a senseless Israeli killing of a Reuters journalist. But wait, there are no occupying soldiers in Gaza, at least was said in the previous thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8G-Y3nzgPk&NR=1
I'm simply baffled by what Rahel said in his previous post. I would never doubt that he has well-developed convictions which he has shared with good passion. I just can't see that there are no Israeli troops in Palestine, meaning Gaza, and the West Bank. These videos say differently, and quite dramatically so. I have to believe what I am seeing, before I would believe a person's conflicting point of view.
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Posted - 03/24/2011 : 5:57:55 PM
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Warmskin, you and Rahel are not talking about the same question. He is talking about OCCUPATION, and you are NOT.
First, Rahel is not completely correct, in that there were times when parts of Palestine were occupied, altho NOT RECENTLY. Fatah and Hamas currently administer those areas. There is no Isareli military government.
"If a foreign bunch of soldiers are in one's homeland, it's called occupation,"
NOT TRUE: ANOTHER STATEMENT WITHOUT CORRECT DEFINITIONS. Rahel did NOT say that there are no Israeli troops, only that they do not run the local government (such as it is.) This is correct!
These clips do NOTHING to imply an occupation, only that Israeli troops used force, not always properly.
Occupation implies, not only appointing local authority, but that the occupier does not intend to assume sovereignty or annex the area.
At this time, the Golan is occupied, the West Bank is not ccupied, but under Fatah, and Ghaza's occupation ended over two years ago, with Hamas in charge currently. The presence of foreign troops does not necessarily imply occupation. Occupation refers to having the foreign army RUNNING the local government authority.
For example: Iraq's occupation ENDED 5 1/2 YEARS AGO, and we have NEVER occupied any part of Afghanistan. This false definition would have implied that America occupied England in WW2
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I'd say Israel is far from blameless. I would assign blame as about 20% Israel, 75% Arab. and 5% others, like British colonial administrators, Stalin, etc.
I hope that clears up why you both did not understand each other's statements.
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Posted - 03/24/2011 : 8:14:14 PM
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Thank you Balataf. And I agree with you, even saying that I might be wrong (sometimes). First of all for both of you, I am a she, not a he.
Secondly Warmskin brought a lot of comments which were completely irrelevant to mine.
Thirdly, Warmskin do not believe all you read. Few years ago it was confirmed with proof, that there was photo arranged when the Palestinian sent a picture of a child dead or wounded (I do not remember) and it was PROVEN that the Palestinian arranged that picture.
As Balataf said it very rightly, Warmskin please read me properly before accusing me of wrong comments.
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Posted - 03/24/2011 : 9:31:54 PM
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Is Rahel an equivalent to Rachel in English and Raquel in Spanish?
Also, if I may ask, what Arab area did you live in?
And, ... Let me complement you on your fine English.
My apologies for the mistake. I don't claim to be just quite perfect yet.
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Posted - 03/24/2011 : 10:07:22 PM
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Well I could not log with Rachel, so I chose Rahel, which is the hebrew name of Rachel, and equivalent of Raquel. I was born In Casablanca some 72 years ago, and fortunately with the kings, Jews enjoyed a peaceful life with a few squabbles here and there. There is still a King, and as long as he stays the country will be stable. There are not too many Jews left there. I enjoyed the climate, the people, Moslems were hospitable and nice, and then I went to live in France in 1962.
I really appreciate your knowledge in a lot of different subjects, and I read you with a lot of interest.
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Posted - 03/24/2011 : 11:51:00 PM
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So many left North Africa after the "Battle of Algiers," both Jewish and Pieds-Noirs. The economy has never recovered.
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Posted - 03/25/2011 : 03:26:17 AM
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Let's see, how about some more videos. I'm not talking to anyone in particular, but rather the veiwing audience.
Here are some more barbarians troops that occupy Palestine. Seeing is believing and honest, but reading words can leave doubt.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9N6k_ykVX0
This atrocity is taking place in the West Bank, but Rahel still asserts that there are no troops ever in Palestine.
Well the readers can either buy that propoganda which is spread by mass media, or learn from this video clip about how invading Israelis treat ordinary people and human rights workers. These soldiers are clearly depraved, and devoid of any humanity, as one can see in this video. Put yourself in the Palestinians' position. This is your daily life if you are one of them, courtesy of Israel.
Next is a special treat. It's a video of the well-armed thugs of Israel trying to intimidate a young Palestinian woman. This takes place in Palestine, but doggone, Rahel says there are no occupying troops in Palestine, meaning the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip. Who can we believe - this video clip, or the words of the pro-Zionists. I really believe Rahel is sincere about his sentiments, as am I. I just happen to have a lot of evidence that contradicts his statements. Here we go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQyIKyd2gqA&NR=1&feature=fvwp
Really brave of those well-armed occupying forces to go up against an unarmed young woman who is in her own country. More proof I am right. This is so easy!! 
Next on the hit list, literally, we see the thugs occupying Palestine beating up a man in his own county for capricious reasons. Some say this is good, but I say it's bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bdbA2Ka3Bo&NR=1
Just when you thought things were getting out of hand, Israeli soldiers fire at a woman news reporter, who is unarmed. Why did they target her. Because she was part of a news story in Palestine? Who knows, but when soldiers are drunk on power and violence, anything can happen. This really is bad press for Palestine's militaristic neighbor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34jPNN0qdF8&NR=1
Another day when in Palestine. Even 6 month old babies are on the target list of the occupiers of Palestine. An Israeli leader said that he reserves the right to kill all people, born or still in the womb. Sick, sick, sick. Don't believe it? Well, here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQEZ2ad8z20&feature=relmfu
The list is endless of all the videos that are leaking out of Palestine, and not shown on American TV for obvious reasons. Remember, though, some say there are no Israeli troops in Palestine. Oooookaaaaay. We will believe what we are seeing in the last clip for today - a nine year old boy is shot by an Israeli soldier, one of many, many that occupy defenseless Palestine. Also, remember that America is linked to each atrocity committed, because we Americans are paying for everyday misery in Palestine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=But9m3O4umI&NR=1
I won't say much here, because a video is worth 10,000 words, and what you see is not propoganda, but instead real life captured on film in Palestine.
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Posted - 03/25/2011 : 1:22:49 PM
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Warmskin,
You want us to watch these propaganda videos, which could be false, it has been known before that videos and photos have been touched.
But you do not even take the time to read Balataf or my own responses. You would have known that I am a she not a he.
Balataf,
What happened in Morocco, was the return of the King Mohammed the 5th or 6th in 1956, when the French Protectorate ended after 40 years. So slowly all the Administration was given back to the Moroccans, and the French had to go. I left in 1962 with my brother and went to live in Paris.... etc... etc...
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