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balataf
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 Posted - 04/15/2010 : 6:27:38 PM
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To "celebrate" Tax Day, I am posting about the Tea Party popular movement. While I have no affiliation with any of their many decentralized groups, they are worth of note.
443,000 individuals voted on the Internet, with these ten points becoming their basic platform:
the votes of more than 443,000 were cast, the top ten planks were:
(1) Require each bill to identify its constitutional authorization
(2) Defund, repeal, and replace government-run health care
(3) Demand a balanced budget
(4) End runaway government spending by imposing a statutory cap limiting growth in federal spending
(5) Enact fundamental reform to simplify and lower taxes
(6) Create a Blue Ribbon task force that engages in a complete audit of federal agencies and programs
(7) Reject cap-and-trade
(8) Pass an “all of the above” energy policy
(9) Stop the 2011 tax hikes
(10) Stop the pork.
This sounds to me like a good starting point for the nation. Disclaimer: while not a Tea Partier, I have been a Republican in recent years after a career of 27 years in Democratic Party affairs.
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Bill Bowser
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Posted - 04/15/2010 : 7:20:21 PM
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Although I usually avoid political discussions on public forums such as this, I must say it would be a step in the right direction.
Bill in Cincinnati
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 04/15/2010 : 7:46:06 PM
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Not bad, I like 9 of them, but item number one makes no sense!!
In fact, it's actually quite lame. I'm sure throughout the history of our great country every single bill that was ever introduced in congress was thought to be constitutional by its authors. Further, every single bill every passed and signed into law by the president was also thought to be constitutional by the majority who passed it and the president who signed it. I've never seen a rose garden ceremony where a president knowingly signed an unconstitutional bill into law. All item one would do is allow overeducated congressional staffers with Ivy League law degrees add 50 pages to each bill by esoterically explaining in excruciating legalese the constitutional authorization of a particular bill.
My whole point is, no congress person is ever going to go to the floor and say "hey guys here's my bill that I believe has no constitutional authority to become law, but to hell with that, let's vote"
So let's leave the decision of constitutional authority to the Judicial Branch.....Oh wait, the constitution already addresses that...Nevermind
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Bill Bowser
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Posted - 04/15/2010 : 8:51:01 PM
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With all due respect I must disagree. The most important function of the U. S. Constitution is that it enumerates (and thereby limits) the powers of the federal government. Congress has ignored the Constitutional limits on their powers for many years thereby depriving the people (and the states) of numerous rights. It is high time that the people demanded that congress acted more responsibly.
It would be fascinating to have congress include in each piece of legislation a reference to that portion of the Constitution that empowers them to propose such legislation. But since these clowns don't even bother to read the legislation they impose on us that's pretty unlikely. I can't help but wonder who writes all the nonsense that congress votes on. Our federal government is a far cry from what our founders created and what the Constitution authorizes.
Bill in Cincinnati
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 04/15/2010 : 10:00:58 PM
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i agree but i would add one more - term limits, robert byrd is like 90 something some of these people have never had a real job. 8-10 years as a senator or congressman and maybe even the supreme court 90 year old justice come on move out of the way.
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balataf
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Posted - 04/16/2010 : 12:02:35 AM
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The question of Constitutional authorization is there because it is an incredible stretch that Congress's power to regulate "interstate commerce" can be interpreted to force citizens to buy insurance. The states have that power, but the Federal government does not!
Obamacare is a bag of sleasy deals that made an illegitimate bill.
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 04/16/2010 : 09:35:18 AM
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Sounds like a Republican party manifesto. Full of rhetoric and BS. Where were you in 2002, when it all started. Obama care sleazy.... checked out the republican party in Florida lately!! They define sleaze
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FireProf
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Posted - 04/16/2010 : 11:08:07 AM
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This is where topics, such as this, always go bad. Calling the President "sleazy" and pointing out all the flaws because you don't like him.
He's trying to help those less fortunate and all the "haves" are turning their backs on the "have nots."
It's amazing how those on both sides will resort to calling names, insinuating lies and forget what it was like when "their" guy was in office and the mess "HE" got us into.
YOU really think this war is necessary??? Do you honestly think that those people want democracy??? Once we're gone...they'll go back to doing what "they" want to do and not what we want. And...where are those WMD'S???
This is why I don't like getting involved in political discussions...they're useless. I'll continue to feel the way I do and so will you so...what changed. WE all lost precious heart beats, time with loved ones and time in the sun...which is where many need to be!
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 04/16/2010 : 1:30:16 PM
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here here
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TallTim
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Posted - 04/16/2010 : 8:36:08 PM
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Even though I have my own rather strong opinions about the political climate. I gottta agree that this topic does not agree with my ideal of sitting in the sun.
Tim
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Posted - 04/17/2010 : 11:03:58 AM
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Can you see the tea party people closing their eyes, putting hands over ears and shouting , NO, NO, NO. Its not true, Goddess palin wouldnt lie now...........would she!
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NaturistDoc
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Posted - 04/17/2010 : 5:42:25 PM
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It's pretty clear Miz Palin has figured out that her future does not lie in actual politics. It's so much funner simply to run her mouth, an activity which brings in oodles of cash and has no responsibility whatsoever. Why bother with the tedium of actually governing? It's like Glenn Beck told Forbes magazine: "I don't give a flying crap about the political process ... We're an entertainment company."
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nude charles
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Posted - 04/17/2010 : 9:06:27 PM
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Where is the nudist-resorts platform in this discussion?
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jbsnc
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Posted - 04/17/2010 : 9:13:51 PM
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Originally posted by NaturistDoc
Not all of the Tea Party rhetoric stands up to harsh scrutiny.
The site Doc cited (Jonathan Weiler, Professor of International Studies at UNC Chapel, HuffingtonPost Blog posted April 15, 2010) includes “….about the multi-trillion dollar tax cuts of the Bush years, cuts which overwhelmingly benefited the wealthy.”
1) About 46% of income earners pay no federal income tax. Not easy to overwhelmingly benefit non payers of income tax with a tax cut.
2) The Bush tax cuts benefited everyone who paid income taxes.
3) Since the Bush tax cuts were implemented the higher income earners have paid an increasingly higher percentage of the total tax take each year. Government capital gains revenue increased by about 35%.
4) Most high income earners do not hide their earned income in the back yard. The money is invested in different ways and fuels economic growth.
5) With President Obama on record opposing capitalism, "capitalism is the enemy," We can expect increasing efforts by the wealthy to safeguard money by investing outside of America.
Happy Nuding.
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balataf
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Posted - 04/17/2010 : 11:29:04 PM
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Hey, fireprof, I have carefully reviewed the entire thread, and can find nothing to back your charge that Obama, or anyone else was called "Sleazy." The only reference was to the sleazy DEALS that went into Obamacare, not to any individual. I proudly stand by what I wrote, and will point out that such items as the "Cornhusker Kickback" and another half dozen all have easily recognizable nick-names.
NaturistDoc is, I believe, correct with Palin. She's having fun and making big bucks. She wants influence more than she wants to hold office or she'd have remained as Governor. Remaining as Gov. would be a much better ticket to President or Vice President. Even most of the voters who love her have polled as not wanting her to be President.
As to Tea Party rhetoric, pleae remember that it is a very decentralized group of dozens of organizations, so no one can speak for very many, much less for all. This is both a strength and a weakness, as it cannot grow and continue without eith becoming a seperate party or joining an existing one. Most likely, it will transform the Republicans similarly to the way that the Populist Party of William Jennings Bryan captured the Democrats in 1896. (In Arizona,according to news reports, Tea Partiers have volunteered to fill 1800 previously vacant Republican precint slots in just two populous counties of that state. This is democrqacy of the People, by the People, and for the People!
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