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waytwofast
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 Posted - 01/09/2009 : 6:28:32 PM
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I believe the problem is not with the Second Amendment to the Constitution. I believe that it is 1. Parents not teaching their children about firearms at a younger age, teaching them that guns are not toys, and that to shoot someone is not a game. and 2. Parents must have a secure place to put their guns. I will never own a gun, rather it be a pellet gun (shoots plastic or metal pellets) or an assault rifle, without having a safe to put it in. I will also never leave that safe unlocked, or give my children the combination. Children now a days play video games like Grand Theft Auto, and get the idea that shooting people is fun. I on the other hand was raised playing SWAT and Ghost Recon, where we have police officers that only shoot when they have to, and military soldiers who only shoot the bad guy. Grand Theft Auto, is just about crime, and committing as many crimes as possible. Fine game for Adults, not so good for 10-15 year old's. Our Second Amendment is not to blame, and their will always be that disturb person that commits a crime with a firearm. However the answer is not more gun control, it is possibly less. I support allowing teachers, or at least security officers in schools the right to have a firearm in their offices; in a locked safe with only the administration knowing the code. I don't feel they should carry them for the simple fact that they can be taken away easily. I think that is the answer, not redefining our history and tradition.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 01:35:59 AM
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Banning guns is the surest way to usher in tyranny. Why does anybody think that the powerful politicians want to ban our self-protection? They know that we are far more docile and dependent if we have no guns. Our nation was founded on independence, as in Independence Day. If you don't like guns, don't own one.
Interestingly enough, when Florida loosened their gun laws, the crime rate went down. When Australia banned guns there, the crime rate went up, and why shouldn't it? The criminals know you are defenseless. In the USA, they have no idea if you pack a gun of not.
Think about it.
Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."
Thomas Jefferson
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ranmoo49
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 01:54:08 AM
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Have u ever considered the fact that the reference in the 2nd amendment is to the "right 2 bear arms". Nowhere does it define ARMS. It is a little naive on our part to believe that Mr Jefferson could have foreseen the repeating volver much less nuclear arms or stealth jets. By the constitution I have the right 2 have a nuclear bomb in my house. There is a big difference between 1 shot muskets and the firearms used by teenagers to rob the local convience store. That is my story and I am sticking 2 it.
Randy
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waytwofast
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Posted - 01/12/2009 : 03:08:07 AM
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Randy, that is fine for you to believe, there is a bit of a difference between a Nuclear Bomb and a Gun, if you can carry a nuclear bomb than that is fine, you can have one. Up and to the point when the government finds out you're making them which of course is against the law.
If a person has a gun, they have the ability to protect themselves and others around them. For stupid business to post signs saying NO WEAPONS ALLOWED is just inviting criminals.
I think the following people knew exactly what they were talking about, I would think you'd agree:
When only cops have guns, it's called a "police state".
Love your country, but never trust its government.
-- Robert A. Heinlein.
"The power to tax involves the power to destroy;...the power to destroy may defeat and render useless the power to create...."
-- Chief Justice John Marshall, 1819.
"Rightful liberty is unobstructed action, according to our will, within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
-- George Washington
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
-- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.
"Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficient... The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding."
-- Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Tolerance in the face of tyranny is no virtue."
-- Barry Goldwater
"I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, short swords, bows, spears, firearms, or other types of arms. The possession of unnecessary implements makes difficult the collection of taxes and dues and tends to foment uprisings.
-- Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Shogun, August 1588
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember it or overthrow it."
-- Abraham Lincoln, 4 April 1861
"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms."
-- Constitutional scholar Joseph Story, 1840
"The bearing of arms is the essential medium through which the individual asserts both his social power and his participation in politics as a responsible moral being..."
-- J.G.A. Pocock, describing the beliefs of the founders of the U.S.
Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest.
-- From the Declaration of the Continental Congress, July 1775.
"As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives [only] moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks."
-- Thomas Jefferson, writing to his teenaged nephew.
No one is bound to obey an unconstitutional law and no courts are bound to enforce it.
-- 16 Am. Jur. Sec. 177 late 2d, Sec 256
"The state calls its own violence `law', but that of the individual `crime'"
-- Max Stirner
"Taking my gun away because I might shoot someone is like cutting my tongue out because I might yell `Fire!' in a crowded theater."
-- Peter Venetoklis
...Virtually never are murderers the ordinary, law-abiding people against whom gun bans are aimed. Almost without exception, murderers are extreme aberrants with lifelong histories of crime, substance abuse, psychopathology, mental retardation and/or irrational violence against those around them, as well as other hazardous behavior, e.g., automobile and gun accidents."
-- Don B. Kates, writing on statistical patterns in gun crime
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
-- John F. Kennedy
The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them."
-- Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story of the John Marshall Court
"Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action."
-- George Washington, in a speech of January 7, 1790
"A militia, when properly formed, are in fact the people themselves ... and include all men capable of bearing arms."
-- Senator Richard Henry Lee, 1788, on "militia" in the 2nd Amendment
No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave.
-- "Political Disquisitions", a British republican tract of 1774-1775
& what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time that his people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Col. William S. Smith, 1787
"To disarm the people... was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
-- George Mason, speech of June 14, 1788
"The great object is, that every man be armed. [...] Every one who is able may have a gun."
-- Patrick Henry, speech of June 14 1788
Every Communist must grasp the truth, 'Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun.'
-- Mao Tse-tung, 1938, inadvertently endorsing the Second Amendment
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
-- Robert A. Heinlein, "Beyond This Horizon", 1942
The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to permit the conquered Eastern peoples to have arms. History teaches that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by doing so.
-- Hitler, April 11 1942
.. a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen...
-- Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App.181)
Americans have the will to resist because you have weapons. If you don't have a gun, freedom of speech has no power.
-- Yoshimi Ishikawa, Japanese author, in the LA Times 15 Oct 1992
You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case the government fails to follow the first one.
-- Rush Limbaugh, in a moment of unaccustomed profundity 17 Aug 1993
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
-- John F. Kennedy
"When you walk into the voting booth, I feel it wise for you to ask yourself one thing... Are you better off now than you were 4 years ago..." - Ronald Reagan
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