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full-monte
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Posted - 02/08/2017 :  09:03:50 AM  Show Profile  Visit full-monte's Homepage  Reply with Quote
We created this topic because we believe that naturism and concern for the environment go hand in hand. Demand for sustainable travel and eco-holidays is rising but such holidays can be hard to find. With little or no global certification, how can you be sure that tour operators and resorts are not just paying lip service to some basic principles and jumping on the eco bandwagon?

This is where you come in. Post your first hand experiences of eco holidays, so we can build this into a comprehensive guide of good (and perhaps not so good) destinations and resorts. Tell us what made you think any claims of concern for the environment made by the resort were justifiable. How eco were they really? e.g. Although admirable, is simply encouraging you not to have your towel laundered every day really enough?

We'll start the ball rolling with a link to the eco-project photo story on our Camp Full Monte website http://full-monte.com/gallery/eco-project-gallery. Follow the link to learn more about what we're doing to protect the environment at our Montenegro campsite. We'll let you decide if you think we offer an eco friendly holiday.

As you might expect, there are a few images that contain non-sexual nudity that might be "not safe for work" for some of you.

http://www.full-monte.com
Off-Grid, Clothing Optional Eco Camping in Montenegro that doesn't cost the earth.

Edited by - full-monte on 02/08/2017 09:10:22 AM

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Nude in AK
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Posted - 03/12/2017 :  09:14:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks for starting this. It will be interesting to see what it leads. Looks like you all have a god start on eco-friendly!


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doug2323
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Posted - 03/13/2017 :  12:32:42 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Seems like if one was truly concerned about the environment, one would simply stay home. Eliminate the impact of unneeded travel and stay in control or your resource utilization.


Edited by - doug2323 on 03/13/2017 02:33:37 AM

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full-monte
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Posted - 03/13/2017 :  6:52:15 PM  Show Profile  Visit full-monte's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by doug2323

Seems like if one was truly concerned about the environment, one would simply stay home. Eliminate the impact of unneeded travel and stay in control or your resource utilization.



Or just kill yourself ... there are too many people on the planet anyway

Seriously tho' I don't see why moving about the planet has to mean you are not in control of your resource utilization.

http://www.full-monte.com
Off-Grid, Clothing Optional Eco Camping in Montenegro that doesn't cost the earth.



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doug2323
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Posted - 03/14/2017 :  04:15:04 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
One would not be in control of their resource utilization because they would be trusting you to be forthcoming and knowledgable. Do you even know?

Do you have an electric car? Powered from a renewable source or from a coal-fired power plant. Would I fly to your resort in an airplane burning fossil fuel, manufactured from materials mined from the earth. Do you even know? "Eco-friendly" stinks of hypocrisy. Lots of words to make yourself feel better and perhaps make a sales pitch to boost revenue.

As far as killing myself - you first or just come meet me and take your shot.

Warm regards, Doug





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soonbnude
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Posted - 03/14/2017 :  07:40:13 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Guys,

Lighten up a little. I won't say most but many of us on this forum are likely to support environmental causes and trying to reduce the impact of what we do on the planet. None of us are going to change everything straight away but by joining groups and doing simple things we can change things even where our politicians won't because they have their heads in the sand and large political donations control their decisions.

I drive a diesel car that has incredible fuel efficiency and was purported to have low emissions however the manufacturer lied / cheated, call it what you like. However there is a fix happening and I need to accept it and move on, the car is still really efficient. Also have a solar panel system on the roof of our home and trying to get one on the office building we own with some other people. I'm not after any plaudits what I'm saying is that we can all do little things and try to make some important change even if our politicians won't.

Any of us can make change happen and real through our connections on groups like this. Some people won't agree but that is OK, that is their democratic right. Here in Oz some of our environmental commitments are being met through by people doing this stuff on their own due to the lack of action by our stagnant politicians.

Go camping or to resorts that are eco friendly, support like minded people, companies and groups so they survive such a competitive environment (no pun intended). There are very few of these resorts in Oz so be grateful for what you have in terms of choice.

I don't mean to lecture but I think many of us are trying to do their bit, we may just do it in varying ways

Cheers, SBN.



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full-monte
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Posted - 03/14/2017 :  4:55:39 PM  Show Profile  Visit full-monte's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by doug2323

One would not be in control of their resource utilization because they would be trusting you to be forthcoming and knowledgable. Do you even know?

Do you have an electric car? Powered from a renewable source or from a coal-fired power plant. Would I fly to your resort in an airplane burning fossil fuel, manufactured from materials mined from the earth. Do you even know? "Eco-friendly" stinks of hypocrisy. Lots of words to make yourself feel better and perhaps make a sales pitch to boost revenue.

As far as killing myself - you first or just come meet me and take your shot.

Warm regards, Doug






Given this is a board that relates to nudist resorts that support your special interest, in our case the environment, I think we're in danger of straying off topic but I would love to continue this discussion in a more appropriate forum. Where shall we take this Doug?

In the meantime, trying to stay on-topic, could we do more at our resort? Without a doubt but as soonbenude says in a later reply, it is about doing what we can.

We were not eco warriors when we gave up our life in the UK to emigrate to Montenegro. We'd like to think we were as responsible as normal life (with some sacrifices) would allow.

When we began building our resort we faced some major issues. Not least: no mains water supply; no mains sewage connection; and no affordable mains electricity. These were the drivers that led us to look at alternative solutions. Not hypocrisy or the search for a sales pitch (Doug).

It transpired that some of the most pragmatic solutions for our situation also (as far as we were concerned) scored well in terms of their environmental impact. And so our journey began. It's a mindset. Soon we were looking at everything we were doing as we established the resort. Reduce, re-use, recycle (and more recently the in-vogue term - upcycle) became our mantra. We also discovered that the direction our project was taking followed the fundamental elements of permaculture. Personally I still think permaculture is just a fancy word for common sense but let's not go there.

It's been a fascinating journey, with many trials and tribulations. It's one we love sharing with guests who frequently tell us we have inspired them to take a new way of thinking back home with them. This is worth more to us than the rather limited reward we get in terms of profits. We'll never be financially rich living the life we do but I wouldn't change it for the world.

We're incredibly proud of what we have been able to achieve.

Ultimately, it's every reader's right to decide if our achievements are hypocritical or a cheap sales pitch but before jumping to conclusions please do visit our eco-gallery http://full-monte.com/gallery/eco-project-gallery (Did you take a look Doug?) to see what we have achieved. Click on the thumbnails to see descriptive text and full size image.

Better yet, if you want the full story then take a look at our blog posts http://full-monte.me/blog/about-our-full-monte-life/ especially in the early years (2009 onwards) to gain a better insight into who we are and whether we are driven by hypocrisy or sales gimmickry.

P.S. I'd still like to hear what other naturist resorts are doing to reduce their environmental impact - the original intention behinds this post. Honest

http://www.full-monte.com
Off-Grid, Clothing Optional Eco Camping in Montenegro that doesn't cost the earth.



Edited by - full-monte on 03/14/2017 5:37:50 PM

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full-monte
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Posted - 03/14/2017 :  5:27:12 PM  Show Profile  Visit full-monte's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by soonbnude


Guys,

Lighten up a little. I won't say most but many of us on this forum are likely to support environmental causes and trying to reduce the impact of what we do on the planet. None of us are going to change everything straight away but by joining groups and doing simple things we can change things even where our politicians won't because they have their heads in the sand and large political donations control their decisions.



Absolutely

quote:


Here in Oz some of our environmental commitments are being met through by people doing this stuff on their own due to the lack of action by our stagnant politicians.



When researching solutions to our lack of mains water (back in 2008) there was precious little information about re-using grey water, just a handful of folk sharing their experiments.

You'll be pleased to know that the most advanced thinking available on the internet at that time was coming from Australia and we borrowed much of our design from your compatriots. In the interests of balance it should also be said that there was some exciting stuff coming out of California too but we were all making a lot of it up as we went along.

The approach we implemented has served us well over the last 8 years but it was a huge maintenance load and included some fundamental design errors that are only now being realised. So we've decided to rip out our first attempt (work starts in a few days time) and replace it with something that reflects the latest thinking. But huge thanks are due to those in OZ for sharing their designs and ideas over the years.

quote:

I don't mean to lecture but I think many of us are trying to do their bit, we may just do it in varying ways



Thanks for your support - as a UK TV Ad campaign once said "Reduce, Re-use, Recycle - The possibilities are endless."


http://www.full-monte.com
Off-Grid, Clothing Optional Eco Camping in Montenegro that doesn't cost the earth.



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gnarlyoldman
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Posted - 03/14/2017 :  6:40:39 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The over use of clothing is one of the worst things humans do to our environment. Intensive agriculture to produce cotton has laid waste to millions of acres of forests. About 1/3 of all toxic pesticides spread around the planet are used on cotton production. That doesn't count the oil and energy cost of plowing, planting, harvesting, and processing cotton into clothes.

Wool production was the reason for most of the devastation of native forests in the UK. Grasslands for sheep became the economic engine in much of England, Scotland, and Ireland.

These days the production of polyester consumes millions of barrels of oil and creates huge chemical processing plants with thousands of tons of toxic emissions and waste streams.

Distribution and marketing of unneeded textiles creates huge shopping malls, big box stores, and all the ancillary devastation of grass or woodlands, energy consumption, etc.

Once clothes are produced, distributed, and purchased by consumers they become arguable they largest waste of natural resources in our homes. Laundry accounts for about 1/3 of domestic water consumption, plus huge amounts of energy to heat water and dry clothes. Huge amounts of toxic chemical detergents enter the waste stream from laundry.

Any time someone chooses not to buy and use a clothing piece saves the environment by a proportional amount. Probably a whole third of each person's total environmental impact is caused by the clothing psychosis, and is completely unneeded.

I read recently that fabric shortages during WW II were responsible for a great reduction in the amount of human bodies that "had to" be covered. Women's swimsuits went from full body to "one piece" and then "two piece" and bikini styles. Men's "necessary" swim suits were reduced to "trunks." Other fashion needs were also reduced to shorter skirts, short sleeve shirts, short pants, and other reductions in fabric use. A similar concern for the ecological damage done by textiles could further reduce "mandatory" usage.

Let's face the truth. While body cover is needed in winter in the north, body cover is has no practical purpose in northern summers and all year in more tropic regions. Clothing is the one huge environmental saving change that people could just decide to accept.

Save the earth. Stop wasting huge resources on unneeded frivolous body covers. Naked is green.



Naked is green.



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doug2323
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Posted - 03/26/2017 :  01:49:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I live in Alaska - Nude when possible, but I will wear a dead seal in the winter.

Eco-tourism? Get over yourself.



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Nude in AK
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Posted - 03/26/2017 :  03:08:58 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
doug2323, those in the lower 48 have little understanding what we do here in Alaska!


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soonbnude
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Posted - 03/26/2017 :  04:56:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

Hey, sorry if I got off topic previously, the follow up comment was probably fair enough.

The comments about taking a lead from Australia some years ago may have been relevant then but not now via our current government. People hoped that our current PM may change things but unfortunately not. The flat earth society via a government controlled by donations from the coal industry have spin doctors via Murdoch controlled media trying to convince people who only read head-lines that there is such a thing as CLEAN COAL. Our government here refuses to invest in clean energy. Some really big storms recently that had major power failures to a large section of the State of South Australia and the federal conservatives blamed clean energy not the lack of maintenance to a power system or the possibility that the storm (out of the ordinary for that time) could possibly relate to climate change.

Again I'm on a soap box here but don't use Australia as a good example as our government has only support by big business and not the majority of the population here.

I'm in the construction industry and our system supports short cuts and very questionable computer programs to meet a building code requirement instead of GOOD DESIGN.

This forum through many like minded people could potentially spread a positive and real approach to the problem by encouraging support of eco-friendly resorts, camping grounds etc.

SBN.



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Nude in AK
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Posted - 03/26/2017 :  09:49:27 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Eco-friendly has many different meanings to many people. While I like to not cause too much waste, there are ways that we can be a little more eco-friendly. With the way things are now, we will never quite using resources. What we can do is to use what we have more wisely and I think that was the jest of the first posting.
Also eco-friendly is a good marketing tool for some resorts and get a ways.



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soonbnude
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Posted - 03/26/2017 :  4:25:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote

I better stop my rants or I'll get removed from the site. I agree we can all do lots to help is this way.
Yes if a CO or Nude resort marketed itself that way I reckon many of the forum would be likely to support it, that is a good idea.
Must investigate if we have any like it down-under.

SBN.



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