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Stu_Fox
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 Posted - 10/25/2004 : 4:44:08 PM
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Dave,
So what you're saying is that there are appropriate times and occasions when nudity or partial nudity is accepted by the wider population. Yes, I can agree with that. Nudity is all about context - and if it stays within the confines of what can reasonably be expected, then it will be accepted.
There is a world of difference between, on the one hand, a drama about slaves in which having the negro wome in any state other than topless would have sacrificed realism, and a woman removing her top on in a public park.
Stu
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Stu_Fox
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Posted - 10/25/2004 : 4:52:29 PM
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Mark
You are saying that an oncologist recommended your father take up "nude" sunbathing? Hmm. That must be a first.
"Who or what are women that want to go topless harming."
They are harming me and others like me because they are causing us shock, disgust and discomfort in a public environment in just the same way as if they began shouting obscenities or showing pornographic films or soliciting strangers for sex. The public environment has to be regulated to maximise the comfort and pleasure of as many people as possible. Behaving in a way that causes offence is a defacement of that public environment and this harms us all.
Stu
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Mark_497
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Posted - 10/25/2004 : 5:40:18 PM
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Stu,
You seem predisposed to using part of a sentance or thought. What I said was he recommended a tanning booth, or nude sunbathing to get rid of dermatitis. He did not prescribe it as a lifestyle. But a good question is this. If sunlight in controlled amounts is good for your skin, would that not include all humanity up to and including yourself?
Mark
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DougK
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Posted - 10/25/2004 : 7:11:02 PM
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Mark said:
Breasts that are not confined are healthier as documented by several published studies. This information is well documented in a book who's title is "Dressed to Kill." Movement of the breasts results in increased lymphatic flow. Most but not all breast cancer and problems are in the lymph system. In addition the temperature of the breasts also seem to have a lot to do with the propagation of cancerous cells. While more research needs to be done, the current evidence is quite compelling.
Mark,
Men are getting breast cancer as well!. I haven't read the book (available from Amazon.com)but I did find this:
Link
And in reading their FAQ section-I could find nothing advising against wearing bras. My medical books do not advise against wearing bras as well.
When cautioning against cancer, honestly, nudism appears to be at serious odds with accepted medical advice:
http://www.cancer.org/docroot/PED/PED_7.asp?sitearea=PED
Advice includes:
Sunshine feels good, but also soaks unprotected skin in ultraviolet (UV) radiation. Over time, this invisible carcinogen causes premature aging, eye damage, a greater risk of skin cancer, and more
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UV exposure that is intense enough to cause sunburn clearly increases a person's risk of developing skin cancer. And UV exposure can increase skin cancer risk even without causing sunburn
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Long-term exposure can also cause premature changes in skin including:
Aging
Wrinkles
Loss of elasticity
Dark patches (lentigos, that are sometimes called "age spots" or "liver spots")
Actinic keratoses
advice for prevention includes:
Can skin cancer be prevented? The best ways to lower the risk of nonmelanoma skin cancer are to avoid intense sunlight for long periods of time, and to practice sun safety. You can continue to exercise and enjoy the outdoors while practicing sun safety at the same time.
Avoid the sun between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m.
Seek shade: Look for shade, especially in the middle of the day when the sun's rays are strongest. Practice the shadow rule and teach it to children. If your shadow is shorter than you, the sun’s rays are at their strongest.
Slip on a shirt: Cover up with protective clothing to guard as much skin as possible when you are out in the sun. Choose comfortable clothes made of tightly woven fabrics that you cannot see through when held up to a light.
Slop on sunscreen: Use sunscreen with a sun protection factor (SPF) of 15 or higher. Apply a generous amount (about a palmful) and reapply after swimming, toweling dry, or perspiring. Use sunscreen even on hazy or overcast days.
Slap on a hat: Cover your head with a wide-brimmed hat, shading your face, ears, and neck. If you choose a baseball cap, remember to protect your ears and neck with sunscreen.
Wear sunglasses with 99-100 percent UV absorption to provide optimal protection for the eyes and the surrounding skin.
Follow these practices to protect your skin even on cloudy or overcast days. UV rays travel through clouds.
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Bob S.
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Posted - 10/25/2004 : 9:42:57 PM
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OK, now I am not going to read all of this topic, and am, in fact, going to create another new one about this similar topic, but I want to say a few things.
First, as I have already done to the moderator, I apologize for having my first message as a negative, but I stand behind everything I said.
Breastfeeding: At work (day care center), there is a woman who comes in every day to breastfeed her infant son. Most of the time, I am not in the classroom during that time because I am in other classrooms but one day last week, I happened to be working in her son's room when she arrived. She said nothing about my presence and proceeded to breastfeed her son with me in the room. I had no problem with it and was of the feeling that if she didn't care, why should I. Oh and yes, I did change some diapers in there.
Last: At the mall, I was walking around and came across one of those calendar kiosks that always seem to pop up around September. In one calendar they were selling, I saw bare breasts. Was it Playboy or some other men's entertainment company? No. It was acalendar celebrating African culture.
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DougK
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Posted - 10/25/2004 : 10:12:52 PM
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Bob,
The point is you don't drag baggage from where-ever over here.
You also don't go out, and deliberately try to create ill will against another contributor. That is not what this discussion is about-and certainly not what this forum is about.
Towards your other comments-this topic is about one being topless (a female) in textile areas. It's not about breastfeeding which I admit allowances can be made-and a woman can use discretion-and attempting to link caring for a child-with exposing parts considered erogeneous zones without regard for others.
Towards Africa, I have copies of National Geographic and women in tribes do go topless over there. Fine for their culture-but that's inappropriate here.
You might want to research some of those tribes in Africa-they know what is called absolute poverty which means you are so poor-you die.
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DougK
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 12:42:38 AM
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I found this article as well:
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-08-02-aa-flight_x.htm
What can I say? The general public has a right to not be offended.
Topless is best at a nude beach/resort. It doesn't have a place on a regular beach-unless attitudes change-and I don't see that happening anytime soon.
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Stu_Fox
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 02:22:19 AM
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Mark,
I'm not disputing that a moderate amount of sunlight is healthy for human beings. But covering a small area with a swimsuit won't prevent that benefit. Besides, you can now buy swimsuits that let ultraviolet light through so you can get an all-over tan and still not expose your 'private parts'.
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DougK
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 07:40:57 AM
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Stu,
I was never one "hot" on going to a beach for several reasons besides the detrimental effects of UV Rays on the skin. The swims I went to were a different matter-everyone consented-and the windows were blocked so those from the outside couldn't see in.
I tend to believe that naturists would be better off developing more activities like that-promoting public nudity with an attitude of "don't look-you don't have a right to be not offended" just creates enormous resentment and an idea this is a "fringe group"-and dismissed by the masses.
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bornnude
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 07:53:15 AM
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Originally posted by Stu_Fox
Mark
You are on dangerous ground citing medical 'facts'. I have seen zero hard proof that wearing a bra causes, increases the risk of or aggravates cancer...
While you are correct, there is not much, if any, on the direct correlation, a couple of sites to check out are:
http://www.brafree.org/index.htm
http://www.007b.com/
The first is run by a doctor who is also a bra-free proponent.
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Cheri
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 09:08:54 AM
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I can cite personal experiences that I posted earlier in this thread. I have stopped wearing a bra 3 or 4 yrs. agao, and my mammogram is a LOT better, no calcifications at all.
Cheri
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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Stu_Fox
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 11:44:06 AM
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Cheri
But you don't need to be entirely topless in order to stop wearing a bra. On a beach or in a park for example, you could wear tee-shirts or crop-tops of lots of other opaque things.
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sailordave
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 1:49:44 PM
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Dead horse has enough whip marks on it now.
We the willing who are led by the unknown must do the impossible for the ungrateful.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 2:46:28 PM
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Agreed.
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Jochanaan
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Posted - 10/26/2004 : 3:28:54 PM
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Originally posted by Stu_Fox
Nudity is all about context...
Very true! But the activists among us want to expand the context; we see illogic and self-contradiction in society's current practices. I realize that this makes you and many uncomfortable; but we're working for a more merciful, consistent and just world. This, as you know from history, doesn't happen without making some people uncomfortable. Like a T-shirt here says, "Well-behaved women seldom make history." Nor do well-behaved men.
All right, I'm off the stump now.
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