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nudeisntlewd
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 Posted - 11/10/2004 : 2:49:11 PM
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On the lighter side, visible bosum: I don't mind seeing them and more often is OK too. But I don't mind having seperate places for us to go. In time, I think it will become a non-issue.
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Jochanaan
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 2:56:41 PM
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I dont know if I am going quit nudism but I think Im pitching a inferior product to the masses.
How is being comfortable with one's naked body inferior to being uncomfortable with it?
Actually, though, you make an interesting metaphor. "Superior products" are often not popular with the masses because they require thought. If it were merely a matter of "superiority" in quality, Shakespeare and Beethoven would far outsell Eminem and Britney. (But of course, Shakespeare and Beethoven didn't have Hollywood and Madison Avenue promoting them! ) Nudism demands a lot of thought and courage for those who haven't grown up in it--and often even for those who have as they hit adolescence.
And as for being man enough, I was "man enough" to realize, after my interested in nudism had been piqued, that I could not judge it until I had tried it--not just in my home, nor skinny-dipping or hiking naked by myself, but true social nudity. I walked into it with my eyes wide open, and saw the good that the nudists had said was there and none of the evil the textiles attributed to it. So who am I going to believe? The debunkers who have never tried nudism? Or my own eyes?
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JohnMongomery
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 3:42:14 PM
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Even when wore clothes was comfortable with my body. And even then were only alking about a swim suit to none at all. I think this nudism is now inferior to being a textle. I hurts me to say that but its the hard cold truth and im man enough to admit it. We had two textiles here debating us and were told they could debate as long as they didnt break rules. however because we lost we ban them and pretned we won. It says something when people write the moderator and ask for these people to be banned. We couldnt handle them and we need to be protected. Maybe you and others want to be protected but Ive never been afraid of another opinion. I just through out my copy of N magazine and I might give up nudism all together. ive spoke to my friends and they think its just bunk. perahps it is bunk.
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sailordave
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 4:06:18 PM
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Randy, they werent misrepresneting. They had to resign up for pc problms. Maybe Fireprof read their writings before but I didnt adn it wouldnt matter anyway. That we can only react by bannning them means we cant debate them. I think WE DIDNT WANT TO LISTEN not them. The law is on their side ogic on their side. We got our butts kicked on our own turf. That we got our butts kicked on our own turf means well get our butts kicked on their turf as well. We just dont have good argumets. Nudism is a lie.
Stu, so how'd you get back on again? You didn't read their post but you remembered their law argument and Stu claimed to be a law professor in England. Am no longer responding to your bait,...good-bye
We the willing who are led by the unknown must do the impossible for the ungrateful.
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sailordave
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 4:20:39 PM
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Even when wore clothes was comfortable with my body. And even then were only alking about a swim suit to none at all. {The above should be, "Even when I wore clothing, I was comfortable with my body and that was a swimsuit to none at all."} I think this nudism is now inferior to being a textle. {Next line should read, "I now think nudism is inferior to being a textile."} I hurts me to say that but its the hard cold truth and im man enough to admit it. {should read, "It hurst me to say this but it's the cold hard truth and I'm man enough to admit it."} We had two textiles here debating us and were told they could debate as long as they didnt break rules. however because we lost we ban them and pretned we won. {should read, "However, because we lost, we banned them and pretend we won."} It says something when people write the moderator and ask for these people to be banned. We couldnt handle them and we need to be protected. {couldnt is couldn't and how do you know we couldn't handle them when you weren't around to read the post?} Maybe you and others want to be protected but Ive never been afraid of another opinion. {Ive is I've} I just through out my copy of N magazine and I might give up nudism all together. {you used the wrong word, should have used threw instead of through} ive spoke to my friends and they think its just bunk. {once again, ive is actually I've}perahps it is bunk. {your multiple faux names does not count as friends}
We the willing who are led by the unknown must do the impossible for the ungrateful.
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sailordave
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 4:23:48 PM
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JM's membership was created within 2 days of the Administrator getting rid of the problem children. Anyone want to place bets the children have returned?
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chic
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 4:58:28 PM
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Dave,
He sounds fishy to me.
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Mark_497
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 5:04:15 PM
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(We had two textiles here debating us and were told they could debate as long as they didnt break rules. however because we lost we ban them and pretned we won.)
John you said that they were banned because we lost the debate. This had gone from a peaceful exchange of opinions to an arguement. When asked questions the individual with the dual personalities had the equivalent of angry outbursts. He was banned under both names for misrepresentation and for his general behavior. Social nudity has not been proven to have any negative side effects on society, much the reverse is true. Women deserve to be treated with the same dignity and respect that a man does. If they desire to be top free, that is their decision, and as equals in a free democracy should be their privilige. That same democracy allows you to choose what you will do, whether you decide to be a naturalist or a nudist.
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Jochanaan
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 5:45:17 PM
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I think this nudism is now inferior to being a textle. I hurts me to say that but its the hard cold truth and im man enough to admit it.
Perhaps--but it doesn't seem as if you have enough backbone to stand by your convictions regardless of who attacks them. It also appears you aren't willing to distinguish between a philosophy and the people who practice it.
Here's a challenge for you: Tell us how you became a nudist, and if you do decide to "throw in the towel", tell us why. In detail. Then maybe your negative comments will be respected. And before you ask, I have posted my story elsewhere on this forum.
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JohnMongomery
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 8:43:50 PM
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I think sailordave is seeeing soemthing not there.I gotta into nudism going to nude beaches which I enjoyed. Been a nudits for several years. I have freinds who arent nudists and Ive tried to talk to them but they werent interested.They say its silly. My girlfriend says its silly. But I kept on living as nude as I could at my house. Anyway, Ive realized it right it is silly and thru out my N magazine. I guess a part of me wasnt a nudist and when I saw how those guys were treated it was too much. I feel Ived lived a lie.
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Jochanaan
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 9:57:08 PM
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That's not nearly as much detail as I'd hoped for, John M. But I can't argue with your feelings.
Can you tell us when, how, and why you realized nudism is "silly"?
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JohnMongomery
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Posted - 11/10/2004 : 10:47:01 PM
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I dunno I am sorry I am having doubts. My friends tell me its silly. My girlfriend tells me its silly. My family thinks its silly.I dont see many peple doing it and we cant even debate. I feel like Im a protectd sheep where I shouldnt think for myself. I think Ive believed a lie. If you wont I will leave.
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JohnMongomery
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Posted - 11/11/2004 : 02:23:36 AM
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I reread this thread. I dont see angry outburts. Woudl someoen show me where they are? I support women not wearing tops or even going around nude if they like. People can get used to it but what I think dont matter. If we cant debate or make points we might as well face the truth we are cowards. I still love nudism and am writing nude write now but we nee d to look at ourselves.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 11/11/2004 : 08:48:03 AM
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I just heard this report on the news this morning: A woman was charged with trespassing this last summer, because she refused to put a top on her toddler girl at the water park in Valley Fair, a local amusement park.
I think it's unbelievably stupid. This is a 2 year old toddler! It must be psycologically damaging to people to see the baby's massive bosum, (that is if they could even see that she was a girl). Let's start real early to teach them shame about what they are and how they're made.
Another example of the mass hysteria and over reaction. I can understand arguments about developed adult women, and that many people would take exception to seeing that. But this is asinine.
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Cheri
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Posted - 11/11/2004 : 09:03:48 AM
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John, Is being a teacher silly? Is being a taxi driver silly? Is being an engineer silly? Is being a mom or dad silly? Some might think so, but it's who we are.
It just feels better not sitting in a soggy wet, possibly sandy swimsuit. I don't like tight elastics around me. It feels great getting out of my clothes after a rough day at work.
It's about accepting yourself and others for who you are and not what you look like, own or wear....that's NOT silly.
Cheri
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