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Jochanaan
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 Posted - 11/04/2004 : 1:26:35 PM
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I seriously doubt if it became legal for women to bare their breast in public that women would be walking down mainstreet bouncing with pride so to speak.
I wonder. My first reaction, given the events of Nov. 2, was to think you were right, but on second thought, I wonder if this will galvanize the activists among us. I don't see George W. Bush advocating relaxed laws regarding topfreedom or public nudity, nor do I see the activists backing down now. There may soon be a crisis.
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Mark_497
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Posted - 11/04/2004 : 1:48:46 PM
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Jochanaan, sadly enough I fear that you are correct about the political winds shifting against womens topfreedom and against nudism as a whole. It will take a united effort by all of us to protect our freedoms and ourselves. We are just easy prey in a society that has much more deeply seated problems than our groups that just want to be left alone.
Forget which patriot said it at the moment.
But as he said, "United we stand, divided we fall", we just need to support the fine groups that are out there so that they can continue to support us legally.
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bornnude
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Posted - 11/05/2004 : 02:03:44 AM
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Although you may be correct about the political winds changing, I get the sense that quite a few nudist/naturists are fairly conservative, leading me to believe that in the proper setting, there would be no issue.
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gospel
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Posted - 11/05/2004 : 9:14:41 PM
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I'll go along with that bornnude. I think setting and respect for the wishes of others is the central issue.
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JohnMongomery
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Posted - 11/09/2004 : 01:13:20 AM
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I think we should just walk around nude and tell the others to stuff it. Theyll get used to it.
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Cheri
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Posted - 11/09/2004 : 08:43:04 AM
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John, The problem with that is the laws that are in place may get lots arrested, lose their employment, etc. We all can live together if we have our own places (public as well as private) set aside for such use.
Welcome to these boards.
Cheri
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JohnMongomery
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Posted - 11/09/2004 : 10:46:09 AM
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I dont see the public supporting nudism. They wont set apart areas. I dunno perhasps we should give up.
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chic
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Posted - 11/09/2004 : 3:19:22 PM
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If you believe in something, never give up. I feel there is some more tolerance then there was in the past. Just look at the number of C/O beaches that now exist that were not there a few years ago.
Hang in there gang !
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JohnMongomery
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Posted - 11/09/2004 : 3:26:20 PM
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From what Ive seen the nude or clothing optional beaches are far off the beatten path. Others are closed down. I think I am gonna give up. Its a losing cause.
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FireProf
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 Posted - 11/09/2004 : 4:01:51 PM
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We're with you Chic, we ain't gonna give up, no way, no how!
We're in til the end!!
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Cheri
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Posted - 11/09/2004 : 5:50:40 PM
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We shouldn't give up, we should be respectful of non-nudist areas and behave appropriately in the nudist areas.
Cheri
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JohnMongomery
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Posted - 11/09/2004 : 5:55:57 PM
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I think its pointless. Although I hate to admit it we couldnt even defend ourselfes in debate against two textiles so we just banned them instead so we can pretend we won. We lost though and we afe losing all the time. Its not gonna catch on.
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FireProf
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 Posted - 11/09/2004 : 7:09:20 PM
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How can you say..."we couldn't even defend ourselves against two textiles?"
We don't need to defend ourselves from those two people. One of them is so repulsed by nudity that he can't even look at himself. He didn't come here to debate but to argue and aggrevate people that truly love this lifestyle and stand up to those that say we are immoral, evil, dirty/nasty and just a bunch of sex addicts. After numerous cautions where given to this person for inflamatory remarks to others on another message board he was banned from that board. He went over to Netnude where he is arguing with all those nudists over there. He rehashes the same argument over and over. That's not a debate!
We would always hate to have a nudist give up and leave but if you are that willing to leave the nudist lifestyle then maybe you really weren't that committed in the first place.
Hope you're just having a bad day and you'll change your mind but if not, good luck to you, hope you change your mind after you've thought about it for a while.
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JohnMongomery
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Posted - 11/09/2004 : 7:36:29 PM
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I reread their comments and they didnt flame anyone. We just couldnt handle them so we banned them. Both of them were plite but we just were no match. I think we shoud just face the hard truth that we cant score convincing points. Thats why I say this is alosing cause.
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JohnMongomery
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Posted - 11/09/2004 : 7:54:11 PM
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I reread again just to be sure didnt msis anything. They didnt get any caustions and didnt say we were immoral. They just said nudity shoudl be away from them. Im not some sheep that needs to be protected so I stay in fold. We just arent competivtie in argument. I dont know if I am going quit nudism but I think Im pitching a inferior product to the masses. It just wont sell taht well. Im man enough to admit it.
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Topless Equality
