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sailawaybob
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 Posted - 12/14/2011 : 10:52:17 PM
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was watching the news the other day and they were talking about San Francisco and how it is legal to be nude in public. Whats your thoughts pro and con and would you welcome that freedom in the city you live in, would you participate.
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russ2722
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 11:23:49 AM
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I wish simple nudity...without lewd behavior...was legal. To just do the everyday..normal things around the house..in the nude...go to the lake/park..to enjoy the outdoors...nude...would be such a stressless way to live.
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Bill Bowser
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Posted - 12/15/2011 : 2:26:09 PM
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I wholeheartedly agree with Russ2722. If I could conduct my affairs clothesfree without fear of being arrested, or causing a commotion I would do so whenever it was practical. Unfortunately I don't think public nudity would be easily accepted by many people if it were suddenly made legal.
Bill Bowser - Cincinnati
Nudists are everywhere, but they're hard to identify with their clothes on.
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 12/16/2011 : 7:48:32 PM
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SF has to be the most liberal city in America and they have laws there that scare me but being a nudist this one doesn't, I don't understand how the government flip flops so much on what is acceptable and what isn't but I know public nudity will never go much further than SF and a few other places and thats a shame as I think body acceptance is a good thing.
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 12/18/2011 : 10:10:18 AM
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Reminds me of the comedian who told someone he worked on cars in the nude. The guy he told this to said, "Isn't that immoral?"
"No, I'm moral. If we was all moral, we could all work in the nude."
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Diger
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Posted - 12/18/2011 : 4:48:13 PM
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Originally posted by sailawaybob
was watching the news the other day and they were talking about San Francisco and how it is legal to be nude in public. Whats your thoughts pro and con and would you welcome that freedom in the city you live in, would you participate.
Good question Bob, the fear of getting arrested is what stops us from pushing the envelope.
I believe most of us would start out nude more around outside our house, then maybe our cars and so on. As we got more comfortable and others got more acustomed we would push the envelope farther.
Diger
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 12/18/2011 : 6:40:30 PM
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i agree diger i don't think i would run to grocery store first day but would be comfortable going to mailbox or working in the yard, maybe first car ride would be to get gas for truck. i just think how lucky they are in SF to be able to enjoy the choice, maybe go shopping or even a walk. i also understand it seems to be in the gay area and maybe not city wide heck thats ok it's a start anyways. maybe miami will be next..
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Bob Knows
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Posted - 12/18/2011 : 7:43:40 PM
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If it was legal to go naked here I would go around town naked much of the time in summer, drive naked, shop naked, eat naked, etc. Like in the naturist quarter at Cap D'Agde, France.
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 12/20/2011 : 10:18:08 AM
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The sad truth is that it's often too CHILLY in San Fran most days (even in the summer) to be naked. Now, if you could be naked in Palm Springs or Miami, we'd have something.
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free2be
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Posted - 12/20/2011 : 6:54:12 PM
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I wish I knew about this when I went to SF a couple of years ago. Maybe someday I'll get to go back.
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aaardvark
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Posted - 02/01/2012 : 8:56:39 PM
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I'm particularly interested in this and surprised as I've been following some of the news regarding the passing of a local law requiring nudists to put something (e.g. a towel) between their backside and the surface they are sitting on. This is nudist etiquette anyway but the law apparently included restaurants and the public transport system! I had a good laugh at this but I ask some serious questions:
1) is it true that it is legal to be naked in SFO (as opposed to the status of "not illegal" - yes there is a difference)
2) what is the uptake of public nakedness in San Francisco? Does this mean every beach and park is clothing optional? Is it possible to go to city parks or any beach for that matter and be naked among clothed patrons without censure?
3) Does this also mean that one could be legally naked in full view of others when in your apartment or the front yard of your house?
I am not out to be a doubting Thomas but this sounds too good to be true as nudists generally seem to be on the defensive everywhere else (including here in New Zealand) so being able to be freely naked anywhere in one of the most developed and affluent cities in the world is one of those "pinch me, I must be dreaming" scenarios. Any information, especially from residents or anyone directly acquainted with this would be helpful.
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Bob Knows
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Posted - 02/02/2012 : 10:19:42 AM
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Hi aaardvark,
I'm not from San Francisco so this is what I've learned from published reports. In San Francisco there was one nudist man who frequently did his gardening naked, and would sit and read the newspaper naked on his front porch. He claimed that the law in California only prohibited obscene behavior, not just being naked. He ended up in a court case that was supported by some nudist law groups, and he won the law case. Judges held that just being naked is not illegal in California in general and San Francisco in particular. Some California cities reacted by passing local laws against simple nudity, but San Francisco did not.
Armed with the legal decision that just being naked is not illegal several other nudists in San Francisco have pushed public nudity by going naked on the streets, parks, cafés, etc.
The original court case was about your # 3), the guy was naked in his apartment and in the front yard of his house. Court decision in hand. Its legal.
In San Francisco numerous naked residents have pushed public nudity into your # 2). They sometimes go naked in city parks, sidewalk cafés, city buses, etc.
In San Francisco the public debate focused not on whether they needed a law against nudity, but rather on whether naked people going about town needed a towel to sit on in café seats and park benches.
As someone said, San Francisco is often cold and foggy, so naked is shunned in favor of a wool sweater. But when locals and travelers see naked people wandering about without suffering any harm and without turning into a pumpkin by the sight of a naked person, they become less critical of nudity. Most will soon stop noticing that which has become common. It will be easier to spread legal tolerance into other areas when people have seen nudity being acceptable without hurting "the children" or other beings.
Blessings
Bob
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 02/03/2012 : 10:07:53 PM
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seems like more people in sf would get outside and enjoy being nude especially in the yard of course with the weather being warm enough.
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 02/04/2012 : 10:23:21 AM
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As long as it continues to be mainly gay guys with genital piercings (as in the photos), I don't think this is going to have much impact on nudism in general.
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Diger
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Posted - 02/04/2012 : 12:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by nudesunguy
As long as it continues to be mainly gay guys with genital piercings (as in the photos), I don't think this is going to have much impact on nudism in general.
I agree with you, these guys that Bob posted the link to are not good Ambassadors to Nudism.
I followed the adjoining photos and was shocked. They were having oral sex on the street. That's the type of behavior that gives nudists a bad rep.
Diger
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