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lookatme
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 Posted - 11/21/2011 : 04:18:39 AM
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Hi.
I'm pretty much new here. So please, if anyone feels offended because of what I will say, don't get mad at me.
If I got it right last time I discussed the subject here, I have some issues with what's generally accepted and what isn't.
I mean, if there were rules to change, I would change them to:
Every nudist has a right to:
Try to attract attention to their nude bodies in a sexual way.
Feel openly (i.e. not being expected to save their thoughts for themselves) attracted to another nudist's body even if said nudist is not trying to get such attention.
Sexual attraction for a nude person that one does indeed see as attractive, is assumed to be natural and unavoidable and therefore displays of such attraction or the attraction itself are not disencouraged.
Let the brainstorm begin 
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Nudony
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Posted - 11/21/2011 : 08:10:57 AM
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Brainstorm? I think it's going to be more like an avalanche...LOL!
If what you're proposing became "institutionalized", then most resort would become swingers' paradise and nude beaches would be orgiastic messes. The more mainstream nudist would be run out of the resorts/beaches. It would effectively become the end of nudism as we know it. If you think I'm exagerating: - - and Cap D'Agde.
Which is not to say there aren't any "rules" in nudism that deserve to be examined. Sitting/proper posture etiquette for women, for example, is outrageous to me. Physical contact between mates/friends is another one.
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rooftopwilly
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Posted - 11/22/2011 : 1:45:03 PM
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I do understand what lookatme is saying. If I can find a woman attractive while she is clothed, then why can't I do the same when naked? Doesn't mean I'm looking for open sex in public. If I kiss in public while clothed, then why can't I while naked?
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 11/24/2011 : 12:00:10 PM
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Hmmm, I kiss my women friends when we are naked all the time at the beach, not a problem.
As for Lookatme, I guess he's saying that if he's at a beach or resort and some big guy takes a fancy to him, the guy should have the right to stare at him and display the huge erection that Lookatme has inspired. Lookatme would be fine with that, according to his statement above. I, for one, would not.
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lookatme
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Posted - 11/24/2011 : 7:02:22 PM
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Originally posted by nudesunguy
Hmmm, I kiss my women friends when we are naked all the time at the beach, not a problem.
As for Lookatme, I guess he's saying that if he's at a beach or resort and some big guy takes a fancy to him, the guy should have the right to stare at him and display the huge erection that Lookatme has inspired. Lookatme would be fine with that, according to his statement above. I, for one, would not.
NO. I'm proudly straight and I'd easily get offended by a such a thing. Neither would I expect anyone to simply accept same-sex starings. 
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nudesunguy
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Posted - 11/24/2011 : 9:38:53 PM
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BUT, you said:
"Every nudist has a right to:
Try to attract attention to their nude bodies in a sexual way.
Feel openly (i.e. not being expected to save their thoughts for themselves) attracted to another nudist's body even if said nudist is not trying to get such attention.
Sexual attraction for a nude person that one does indeed see as attractive, is assumed to be natural and unavoidable and therefore displays of such attraction or the attraction itself are not disencouraged."
Come on, be consistant! Is the absurdity of your original post beginning to dawn on you yet..?
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lookatme
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Posted - 11/25/2011 : 11:49:22 AM
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Originally posted by nudesunguy
BUT, you said:
"Every nudist has a right to:
Try to attract attention to their nude bodies in a sexual way.
Feel openly (i.e. not being expected to save their thoughts for themselves) attracted to another nudist's body even if said nudist is not trying to get such attention.
Sexual attraction for a nude person that one does indeed see as attractive, is assumed to be natural and unavoidable and therefore displays of such attraction or the attraction itself are not disencouraged."
Come on, be consistant! Is the absurdity of your original post beginning to dawn on you yet..?
In such a case, I wouldn't consider homosexual people to be nudists but rather perverts.
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Diger
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Posted - 11/25/2011 : 1:54:29 PM
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lookatme,
So let me understand what you are saying ...... what I hear you say is unwanted sexual attraction to you is perverted. You don't want a homosexual showing sexual attraction to you and some women don't want you showing sexual attraction to them.
So is showing unwanted sexual attaction perverted or not?
Diger
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NaturistDoc
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Posted - 11/25/2011 : 3:32:23 PM
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Enough.
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Bob Knows
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Posted - 11/25/2011 : 3:32:51 PM
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On the whole I would tend to agree with Lookatme. I'm not offended by the behavior he suggests, nor am I offended by him suggesting it. And, I would also be offended by the behavior suggested on this topic by others.
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lookatme
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Posted - 11/25/2011 : 3:46:15 PM
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Originally posted by Diger
lookatme,
So let me understand what you are saying ...... what I hear you say is unwanted sexual attraction to you is perverted. You don't want a homosexual showing sexual attraction to you and some women don't want you showing sexual attraction to them.
So is showing unwanted sexual attaction perverted or not?
Diger
I think there are proper and not-so-proper ways. A line has to be drawn between merely displaying sexual attraction and directly harassing the person who triggers such attraction.
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Diger
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Posted - 11/25/2011 : 9:45:00 PM
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Lookatme you said .... Every nudist has a right to:
Feel openly (i.e. not being expected to save their thoughts for themselves) attracted to another nudist's body even if said nudist is not trying to get such attention.
Guess it's different when it's you getting the unwanted attention. You mean you don't like some guy having an errection while looking at you? .... Does it make you uneasy? .... Well that's the way women feel when you get an errection while looking at them. Esp the inexperienced nudist women that could be there for their first time, they may never go back.
I agree a line needs to be drawn, it needs to be drawn at no display of sexual attraction at all.
Diger
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sailnaked44
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Posted - 11/27/2011 : 2:12:35 PM
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lookatme....all my life ive been a very open-minded nudist,but even i cant agree with what youre saying...you keep contradicting yourself
clothed when needed,nude when possible
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lookatme
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Posted - 11/28/2011 : 05:25:16 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by Diger
Lookatme you said .... Every nudist has a right to:
Feel openly (i.e. not being expected to save their thoughts for themselves) attracted to another nudist's body even if said nudist is not trying to get such attention.
Guess it's different when it's you getting the unwanted attention. You mean you don't like some guy having an errection while looking at you? .... Does it make you uneasy? .... Well that's the way women feel when you get an errection while looking at them. Esp the inexperienced nudist women that could be there for their first time, they may never go back.
I agree a line needs to be drawn, it needs to be drawn at no display of sexual attraction at all.
Diger
Well, I'm kinda glad you made such a focus on the erection (i.e. merely displaying sexual attraction) This will make it much easier to explain...
I'd NEVER have a problem with merely sexual attraction (i.e. erection) because that's what I think should be allowed The problem is, nudesunguy made it sound like he meant I'd have no problem with a gay harassing me (You know, the over-the-top hypothesis he described). That's not what I meant and I'D NEVER expect anyone to simply allow such a thing.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 11/29/2011 : 12:37:42 AM
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I see the opposite sex on a normal city street, and yes, they can be attractive to me, however superficial that may be. I can also find a nudist woman at a resort to be attractive.
Trying to attact attention to yourself at a nudist resort is quite silly, if not completely embarrassing for the "exhibitionist." It's a nusiance to the people around.
If you can only attract attention to yourself by trying to get everyone to look at you, are you selling yourself very short. Do you have any inner values that might please others? If so, why would one want to show off only their body in some strange way in public? I'd feel quite stupid doing that, but that is just me, and perhaps most nudists. We're at a nudist venue to enjoy not have to be encumbered by clothing, and be around others who feel that way. Period. If you are very sexy, you won't have to lift a finger to show it. If you are not sexy, trying to assume a sexy pose will make you a laughing stock.
However, I'm civilized enough to realize it's a feeling for that moment in both the case of a textile or nudist environment. I have a right to my thoughts and feelings. I do not have a right to act on my sexual feelings because of the public venue, and because I do not know the woman. Even in private, I would not necessarily act on my sexual feelings, because the woman may be offended by my actions.
It's simple, really. Be a gentleman, and think about the well-being of the woman, instead of your own sexual thoughts. She has her own feelings, and they should be respected.
It's not a sympathetic and simultaneous feeling of sexuality. Just because you have sex in mind, does not mean the other person has the same. That is how we behave like civil people for the most part, in public - not acting on our selfish thoughts.
Instead of thinking about acting on your sexual feelings, in some way, think about making a friend out of her first. Who knows? You may develop a nice friendship that is not based on purely sexual bonding. You may find that you like her life accomplishments, her thoughts, skills, quirks, humor, personality, etc. Without that, you're avoiding the complete woman, and that is a certain impoverishing of your own life.
You might be happier at a swinger resort, Lookatme. I'm not insulting you by saying that. It's just that you would enjoy yourself there more than you would at a traditional nudist resort. Find out about them on a search engine. After reading up on them, you might decide that they are the way to go. They're not for everyone, but then neither are traditional nudist resorts.
A nudist resort is just like a "G" rated beach. The only difference is that nudist don't have on any clothes. The behavior is identical in both cases; just the outfits are radically different.
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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Diger
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Posted - 11/29/2011 : 3:10:34 PM
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In another thread lookatme told everyone he was new to the nude life. I'm not sure if her knows how trollish his behavior really is. He has posted 17 times and every one of them has been about something of a sexual nature.
Come on Lookatme, if you had any experience at all you would know that a nudist venue is not a sexually charged environment, it's quite the opposite really. You can either go try it and see for yourself or take our word for it. Now it's up to you, are you here to learn something of your new life direction or just cause controversy?
Diger
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Some changes I'd make to what's generally accepted
