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balataf
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Posted - 12/09/2010 : 6:57:26 PM
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H, The problem is that you appear to be ignoring the need for job creation. Without the innovation of new companies. new techniques and the fruits of investor decisions, things go stagnant. Government almost always works to limit private experiment, by requiring licensing and certifications in how things used to be done. Only in the World War Two emergency did we see the type of general creativity we desperately need again.
As said before, the gigantic growth and success of Americn manufacturing since 1980 was done while reducing the total of employment by around 70%. The use of robots and computers has replaced human labor, with the best example being that, when stopping at the gas station, you pump your own and "swipe" a credit card instead of paying the person who pumped your gas.
That investment is needed most by the people who are looking for jobs.
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 12/10/2010 : 09:52:46 AM
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The tax cuts didnt work, they just added to our woes and if anyone cant get that, then they are living like an ostrich. The country started sliding down a hill in the late 80's /early 90's and gathered momentum thru the mid 90's. So just going round and round ike a dog chasing its tail with the same failed policies just doesnt make sense.....unless of course all your looking to do is make yourself look important AND feed the hand that helped you get where you are today. The money men...the big interests, the lobbyists. As they say, just follow the money
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balataf
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Posted - 12/10/2010 : 10:22:45 AM
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Please explain how the country has been "sliding down a hill".
Some elements, yes, such as the state budgets of California, Illinois and New York. Yet others, most notably Texas, have done very well at the same time as the above three are near collapse. Note that if those states do not tackle reform the way New Jersey and Virginia have, the brunt of the crisis is going to hit hard against the liberal Democrats who run them. The political balance is going to move sharply to the right unless the Democrats in California etc., push painful reforms that are overdue. If they oppose correcting these problems the Democratsd may join the Whigs and Federalists in history.
If there has been a deterioration, the main aspect is that too much governmental dead weight is killing too many jobs, as with the huge burden being placed on small businesses as with health care.
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homenude
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 Posted - 12/10/2010 : 11:50:51 PM
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I think one's perception of the current economic slowdown depends on where one lives as much as anything else. Here in Texas we didn't have much of a housing bubble, so there wasn't the downturn that occurred in California, Las Vegas and South Florida.
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 12/12/2010 : 01:00:36 AM
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h does that go along with the progressive democrat ramming through obamacare that the majority of americans were against. we as americans are always going to have a difference of opinions but i still can't understand why anybody in the greatest country in the world, a country millions flock to even crossing our southern border illegally to get here would want the government controlling their lives. i don't want anything from the government but to protect our country from invasion and to enforce criminal activities but we have them taking total control of our freedom and our money. surely you don't want that !
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openess
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Posted - 12/12/2010 : 04:52:31 AM
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The fact that so many do want government to control more of their lives is proof that a psychology of dependence is taking hold with many of our fellow citizens. We're losing the strength of character that once exemplified Americans.
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 12/13/2010 : 11:28:26 AM
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By living on a credit card to pay bills, by over extending themselves buying into the myth that you can buy happiness and freedom. By paying huge medical bills/fees[onto a credit card and then being charged 26% . By borrowing a massive amount to pay for the fancy car and huge house because you were told, "you deserve it" and crap like that. By fighting 2 wars and not funding them. Stick taxes up to pay for them and then see if they are "popular". Etc
By putting all your eggs in 1 basket like we did here in Florida, with a gop senate, house AND governer...AND then say, we need change?
And then dont change, we really are dumb in Florida by the way. Any more Mr Ostrich.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 12/15/2010 : 05:09:01 AM
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We have to break our addiction to government. Far from being our "savior," it is our undoing. Each average family owes almost $700,000 to the feds. It's hard to think that we are better off with that debt. If we un-elected the politians who cry out for more spending and hold the new politicians to account, we could solve our problems.
Until then, we are on a collision course with bankruptcy, at which time government might be well limited in its spending habits. People just might have to solve their own problems.
One thing can be said, and that is the less the money is spent by government, the more the people will have to spend. Also, smaller government means there would be much smaller corporations. The latter thrives off big government with its granted priviliges and subsidies. Big corporations, unresponsive and oppresive that they are, tend to shrink with a smaller government.
We are on the road to complete national socialism. That translates into facism. It's sad, and the people were duped into it. We had a heritage of freedom, and we are giving it away year by year, and politician by politician.
Can we expect the federal government to regulate nudist resorts? Very possibly. All they have to do is justify regulation is cite the intersate commerce clause. Voila!! Taxes on nudism, regulating how tan we can be, Federal Nudist Agency, and more. Sounds ridiculous, but it happens all the time to other private concerns.
Thomas Jefferson's Monticello home could never be built with today's government's regulations.
"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy."
James Madison
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 12/16/2010 : 11:51:15 PM
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warmskin if we aren't at national socialism we are within spitting distance, polls show that almost fifty percent of americans want more government control which sounds to me that they support socialism. i know this has been the direction we have been going for years, its sad that americans don't care. kinda thought after 911 happened and when you drove down the street and a american flag was flying in almost every yard and business that we were proud again and willing to fight for our great republic, what happened !
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 12/17/2010 : 10:34:30 AM
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Can you please expalin , what to you is "socialism"
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balataf
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Posted - 12/19/2010 : 4:10:12 PM
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Socialism has evolved in Western Europe into Welfare-Statism, which is collapsing in Europe due to its economic contradictions. Meanwhile the Americans are in great danger of falling into that trap, with unemployment growing to the levels common for a generation already in Europe.
The key to returning to a better economy and society is moving back to a growth model of American competition, rather than putting the economy into a straight jacket. The new idea of socialism is to have government tightly controlling the industries without direct ownership. The r4sult is for the industries to stagnate very badly, like British coal mining or Canada's increasingly non-functional healthcare. (Obamacare is an ongoing disaster. We won't get better HC by destroying what we have.)
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hernandocpl
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Posted - 12/20/2010 : 10:04:08 AM
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we wont get better HC............tell that to the 50 million that currently have zip, who when injured go to the ER, get fixed etc and then walk out....so who pays for the Docs/staff/etc etc , why the folks that have the insurance of course. So the current status of US HC doesnt work. IF you think it does, your an ostrich. The US has been stagnant since the huge growth in infrastructure following WW2. The huge wage/pension structures from detroit and the s*** product they put out in the 60's and 70's was was that problem and the huge influx from japan. Then the tech age came and the US was again left behind. OH and on HC ask the folks in Mass/VT if they want to go back to what they had b4. ASk a canadian if they would swap their HC for US style...no way Jose is the huge majority answer. AS soon as a GOP idiot starts a sentance with ...The US has the best....blah blah.....you know its gonna be a load of garbage .
Collapsing in Europe, ever heard of California, Illinois, NM and several other states that are all collapsing, guess its that ostrich time again.
Many people that think Beck and RL know what they are yakking about and take it as the truth, are being led around by the nose and really need to broaden their minds a bit. The right wing have all but succesfully turned the word SOCIALISM to mean COMMUNISM and they dont know the diff because............ theyre just plain dumb
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balataf
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Posted - 12/22/2010 : 12:53:06 AM
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The key question is not the exact brand of un-freedom, whether Communist, Nazi, Socialist, Fascist, Monarchist, etc. The questions are (1.) how much the vested authorities are going to control the citizens and coerce the economy, as in a Welfare State. and (2.) whether a system of free elections with ciizen control of Parties and candidates functions.
Things work best when there are multiple "interests" of social, economic and other groups. In America and other democracies, they reshuffle on a grand scale from election to election. The Tea Party is the most recent of about 15 such movements in US history, like the 1890s Populists, the 1910s Socialist (600 US mayors), or the anti-slavery Free Soil Party of the 1850s.
check Politicometrics in Yahoo Groups for statistics. Besides such broad-based movements, there have been "flash parties" like 1990s' Ross Perot, 1960s' George Wallace and 1920s Robert LaFollette. It is a very dynamic system depending on the choices of the voters.
Elite groups come and go and the major parties change tremendously over time.
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jbsnc
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Posted - 12/22/2010 : 4:39:53 PM
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HCpl: “The tax cuts didnt work, they just added to our woes and if anyone cant get that, then they are living like an ostrich.”
The Democrat controlled presidency, house and senate renewed the Bush Tax Cuts and added a tax cut to Payroll Taxes. Are these Democrats living like an ostrich? Is it possible that economic success requires several different attributes? Peruvian economist Hernando de Soto has made interesting statements about the paramount importance of property rights and argues that this is the basis for the continued high standard of 2 billion earthlings as opposed to the lower standard of 4 billion earthlings.
“The country started sliding down a hill in the late 80's /early 90's and gathered momentum thru the mid 90's. So just going round and round ike a dog chasing its tail with the same failed policies just doesnt make sense.....”
I agree. Policies of ever increasing government control at all levels, of trashing the Constitution (remember Pelosi’s “are you serious” taunt) and of sharply increasing unfunded state and federal liabilities are harmful.
Happy Nuding.
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openess
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Posted - 12/23/2010 : 05:36:56 AM
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That particular Pelosi moment ("are you serious?") was chilling.
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