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HarborGuy
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Posted - 12/24/2006 :  8:29:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit HarborGuy's Homepage  Send HarborGuy a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
ToAsTeD,
I've been around, but my life right now is a bit buisy, so I haven't had the time to myself I would like. As such I haven't even had time to read my Email.

As for this topic I stand my ground.

When people say things like I have no morals or manners I laugh. I taught manners in school. I not only taught manners, but taght the history of manners.

When someone says I have no morals I protest. I do have morals. In fact in my opinion I have higher morals than even the farthest right of the Moral Majority whatever that is.

Yes I have morals. They may not be your morals, but then again there are few people mature and responsible enough to hold themselves to such high standards, but I don't blame them. Indeed I feel sorry for them.

You see I believe that humans are as natural an animal on earth as any other animal. If someone were to call me an animal I would answer back quicky that I am an animal, no better and no worse than any animal and earth is my home and nature is my maker and mother. NOTHING in nature is ugly or offencive and nature has a spacific plan for everything down to the smallest blade of grass.

We call sex an act of nature. Even religious leaders have been quoted as saying that sex is an act of nature, but cast an eye on an erection and grown men and women gasp in horror.

I ask again to anyone who cares to answer. How can anyone call themselves naturists and be offended by a simple act of nature?

Can you believe some people get offended about a baby being born and how gross that is? Or a mother breast feeding her baby? Some people actually get offended from something we all do.

We even worry about things we have no control over such as sweating. Now I know someone is going to say, but sweating isn't the topic, but think about it. You know someone who has said at one time or another. "That man is sweating like a pig." Well yeah, he's working out in the heat digging a ditch so you can sit on your toilet in private and do something nature designed in you!" There's nothing he could do about it, but there is always someone totally grossed out about sweat.

Check off the things that bother you:
Birth and after birth
Sweat
blood
vomit
body odars
someone passing gas
Bodily waste. I'll even help clean it up if someone is sick and can't do it for themzelves. Would you?
Sex and the act of sex: So beautiful a gift of nature and yet so offencive. Shame
Fat people, skinny people, short people, tall people, black, yellow, green, blue, purple etc.
nudity
youth
the old
the physically mangled or challanged
the mentally challenged: Admit it. Do you fear them? Do you spend your valuable time with them?
On the list of things you can't tolerate to be around, where do erections really stand?

Laughable, completely laughable and I have to say quite sad at the same time.

A quote by Elton john. "Tiny minds sacred cows"




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ToAsTeD
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Posted - 12/24/2006 :  10:12:47 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Welcome back HarborGuy! Happy Holidays!

(And you don't have to explain about being busy this time of year because I know!)

As far as what you have posted above, you seem to be missing the point. I don't think that anyone is arguing that there are *many* things that offend people no matter how "natural" they may be.

For me, personally, in my profession I would NOT be offended by anything you have listed above. Some things may make me gag at times (like smells) but as far as being *upset* or *offended* by anyone who did any of those things you listed I would NOT be.

The only exception would be if someone was doing those things on purpose to deliberately make others upset (like if someone took a dump on my front porch, rang the doorbell, and ran away) then I would be upset at his *actions* not necessarily the act of "defecating" itself.

(And on a side note, although I have never witnessed the actual birth first hand, I was in the delivery room when my son was born... so I don't know exactly how I would feel on that one.)

As far as "cleaning up" messes or bodily functions... as long as I was protected it wouldn't bother me at all... but that's just me...

And as far as being "animals" we all are... Homo sapiens are classified into the Animal Kingdom (the other 5 Kingdoms being Archaebacteria, Eubacteria, Protists, Fungi, and Plants which I don't think we would fall into any of those categories... except maybe a few politicians...)

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Anyway, are you trying to say that while in a nudist environment you would NOT be upset if someone walked over to you and vomitted by your feet on purpose? (Remember, that is a "natural act" according to you!) Or if someone defecated near your car on purpose? Or if someone did anything on your list directly in front of you on purpose?

You would *honestly* not be offended?

That is what we are saying here... erections at times may be "natural" and "completely innocent" (I think we all agree on that) but they are seen as offensive by some...

So just cover it up!

Just like you would *hopefully* try NOT to vomit on someone else if you could... even if vomitting is "completely natural"...

That's the bottom line... vomitting, sweating, bleeding, etc. are all natural... but they become offensive when they are done on purpose... to offend people...

Just like erections... they too may be "natural" but they can also be easily covered up... better than vomitting, sweating, bleeding, etc. ... they often can't be stopped or "covered up" up at all...

Just another 2 cents worth...

Glad to see you back HarborGuy!

Merry Christmas to everyone!

-ToAsTeD



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HarborGuy
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Posted - 12/25/2006 :  4:53:52 PM  Show Profile  Visit HarborGuy's Homepage  Send HarborGuy a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Oh I'm sorry I was rude in that I didn't wish you and everyone a happy holliday season. I hope this next year brings all of lifes bounties to everyone.

You are correct on that I would not argue. I was hopeing all my previous posts would relate how I feel about a purpose exposure of an erection. Oh yes that would be bad.

Always my stand has been about accidental exposure from a non-sexual and natural erection.

You have to know that if I seen a man gawking in the showers at people while fully erect and playing with himself I would be the first one there escorting that as*h*le to his car by his ear lobe while dialing 911.

On the other hand if I were in the showers and there were a teen boy with his face and hair fully lathered who just happened to be sporting one I wouldn't do a damn thing not make mention of it to the boy. That would only totally devistate him and do more harm than good.

People have to learn to distinguish between a natural and unwanted erection and one that is intentional is all I am ever saying. They just happen sometimes is all.

If that boy walked out of the shower and dove in the pool without taking note of his condition then I know that the cool water would promptly dispence the problem anyway.

By the way I have a bit of a egg-nog-over so forgive my spelling. I'm too woozy to care about spell check.

All I'm saying and all I ever meant to say is that erections aren't always sexual and can be quite unintentional and they are nothing to get upset about at all. Just ignore them. Act like you would if a child or old lady accidentally passed gas around you and said excuse me.

I also believe that everyone knows my feelings about the subject and that ToAsTeD you knew that as well and you didn't need to goat me by adding those "but what if's". That was a minor league play if I may say.

In short I'm tired of women being totally excused for things that ARE on purpose like erect nipples and turning around and bashing men for the same thing. I'm tired in fact of man bashing as a whole.

And if by chance if I see an erect nipple on a nude beach I will go up to that disturbed woman and excuse her with full voice and say. "Ma'am your erect nipples should be covered with a towel."



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CMx2
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Posted - 12/26/2006 :  7:01:40 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HarborGuy
And if by chance if I see an erect nipple on a nude beach I will go up to that disturbed woman and excuse her with full voice and say. "Ma'am your erect nipples should be covered with a towel."



Credibility -1



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Pete Knight
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Posted - 12/27/2006 :  04:27:56 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He obviously hasn't read the entire thread to see how the nipple theory has been rubbished by right thinking naturists, and that we laughed at the suggestion that nipples were in any way a sexual organ, and therefore cannot be compared with genitalia.

Pete Knight



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CMx2
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Posted - 12/27/2006 :  06:38:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Pete Knight

He obviously hasn't read the entire thread to see how the nipple theory has been rubbished by right thinking naturists, and that we laughed at the suggestion that nipples were in any way a sexual organ, and therefore cannot be compared with genitalia.

Pete Knight



Oh, I'm sure he's read it.
The pro-boner people just have a knack for ignoring facts and opinions that show that they are in error.

This is why its completely pointless to argue with them (it took me a bit to realize this).

The only reason I see to respond to their pathetic arguements and adolescent ramblings is so that visitors to the site don't think regular nudists actually believe that way.



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NakedAmbition
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Posted - 12/28/2006 :  3:41:50 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
C'mon, guys... I'm the FIRST person to roll his eyes when some nudists deny even the tiniest connection between nudism and the earthier delights. BUT... didn't your mamas raise you guys to be gentlemen?? And part of being a gentlemen (teen, adult, or grandpappy) is not presenting your unwanted erection- whether or NOT it was induced by an earthy interest in the flesh- to those who really don't want to see it. So if you find yourselves in that situation, you should know the drill by now (it's been said enough times here): turn over, grab a towel, or take a dip in the pool. Sheesh, can't we move on from this issue?


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ToAsTeD
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Posted - 01/01/2007 :  03:19:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by NakedAmbition

C'mon, guys... I'm the FIRST person to roll his eyes when some nudists deny even the tiniest connection between nudism and the earthier delights. BUT... didn't your mamas raise you guys to be gentlemen?? And part of being a gentlemen (teen, adult, or grandpappy) is not presenting your unwanted erection- whether or NOT it was induced by an earthy interest in the flesh- to those who really don't want to see it. So if you find yourselves in that situation, you should know the drill by now (it's been said enough times here): turn over, grab a towel, or take a dip in the pool. Sheesh, can't we move on from this issue?


Right on NakedAmbition! Well said!

That's what we have been saying all along...

While *most* people listen to what you (and we) are saying... a few are "deaf" to such advice and common courtesy!

Oh well... such is life I guess...

-ToAsTeD



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HarborGuy
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Posted - 01/01/2007 :  05:01:26 AM  Show Profile  Visit HarborGuy's Homepage  Send HarborGuy a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Ok we give let's all put our clothes back on.Its seems that nobody is mature enough to handle the nude human body in all its forms.

It don't surprise me though. I mean look at any nudist picture site or news groups and what do you see? Nude women. 99.9% of any nodist media or internet site is all pictures of women and if not women then little girls!

I'm serious. Go to alt.binaries.pictures.nudism.youth.and.families and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. The whole damn thing is filled with nothing but women and little girls. Disgusting.

You guys can have this argument that erections are to be hidden. That's fine with me, but never; and I mean never try to convince anyone that nudism isn't about sex when women are the focus of most every nudist picture site I have ever seen. I've even protested that fact in those sites that whover is posting those pictures is no nudist and have gotten back many agreements to that fact from other members yet it continues relentlessly.

From black and white pictures of the 40's and 50's to color pictures from the 60's, 70's and up nothing but women and little girls. Now why do you suppose that is? Couldn't be about sex could it? Nah that would be outragious wouldn't it?

If you don't think I'm correct, I will bow down and never say a word again, but prove it. Show me a family nudist site where the majority of the pictures shown aren't women. Not only women, but women posing for the camera in provocitive ways.

I'm not religious except for nature. I believe in nature and I love nature as my deity, but I was Christian in my youth and I do to this day still believe there is nothing worse than a hypocrite. In fact the only time that Jesus ever spoke in "Anger" was when he was talking to hypocrites. I can't stand hypocrites myself. I would rather kiss a thief than be in the same room with a hypocrite..

So I say this now. Show me some site somewhere that don't spacifically focus on the female body; other than gay nudist sites and I will shut up forever.

You know, I became a nudist not because of sexuality, but because as a father of three I knew there had to be some way to raise my kids without hate. Religion is full of hate and I hate nobody. I even love republicans if you can believe that and I love republicans because I honestly believe life wouldn't be worth liveing if we were all alike. You can't even run a business if everyone just blindly agrees on everything. We need people that see things from the other side of the coin. That's why it's good that we have two parties in office.

More than that though we need honesty and courage which we seem to be lacking in the nudist community.

The bravest people I ever saw in the year of 2006 was the brave teenagers who went nude in that small town in Vermont (I shamefully can't remember the name of the town) last summer. Braves souls they were too. We all and I include myself don't hold a candle to those kids. It took courage to do what they did and I didn't see one, not one artical where any proclaimed nudist group actually went to that small town in Vermont to show any sort of support to those kids. So don't tell me that you think you have a handle on nudism/naturism/naturalism or whatever cause I will look you in the face and call you a bald faced liar.

We all want nudism to be accepted again as it was back in the days of acient Greece and Rome, but need you forget that back in those days an erection wasn't even an eyebrow lifter.

Look at the third world nations today where people still go nude. Their huts don't even have true walls. Do you think they freak out when someone shows up with an erection? They don't carry towels around, just a bow and arrows or dart tube. Do you think the men hide behind some tree? They've been going nude I bet since the stone age.

There's an idea. Lets all go to some tropical island where nudity is all they know cause they don't have a clothing store. Let's see how they handle a si



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lil_lilly_nudist
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Posted - 01/01/2007 :  05:20:28 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry I havent read the posts in this thread but I will eventually read all.

Is it ok to be massaged on a nude or clothing option beach if it makes you aroused? It is not sex is it?



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HarborGuy
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Posted - 01/01/2007 :  05:29:25 AM  Show Profile  Visit HarborGuy's Homepage  Send HarborGuy a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lil_lilly_nudist

Sorry I havent read the posts in this thread but I will eventually read all.

Is it ok to be massaged on a nude or clothing option beach if it makes you aroused? It is not sex is it?



It is ok to get a massage in most nudist resorts. In fact the good resorts has massage theropists to do just that.

I don't think that anyone lays on a massage table thinking they are going to get sexually excited, but it can happen and often does.

The best thing to do is ask your theropist what you should do if you find it happens to you. Chances are that he or she has delt with that problems many times and understands the delema. That's their job and they don't judge anyone.



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lil_lilly_nudist
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Posted - 01/01/2007 :  05:36:02 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HarborGuy

quote:
Originally posted by lil_lilly_nudist

Sorry I havent read the posts in this thread but I will eventually read all.

Is it ok to be massaged on a nude or clothing option beach if it makes you aroused? It is not sex is it?



It is ok to get a massage in most nudist resorts. In fact the good resorts has massage theropists to do just that.

I don't think that anyone lays on a massage table thinking they are going to get sexually excited, but it can happen and often does.

The best thing to do is ask your theropist what you should do if you find it happens to you. Chances are that he or she has delt with that problems many times and understands the delema. That's their job and they don't judge anyone.



I know it will happpen to me because it does when Im massaged by my regular therapist and I tried a male and then a female therapist but still it happened. As long as I dont get in law trouble/thrown out at a nudist resort Im ok.



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imnude2
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Posted - 01/01/2007 :  9:00:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
HarborGuy -

I always agree with your comments because you always make a lot of sense.
(Oh yeah, where are those male nudists in the advertisements? Could that be a reason why (I read) that there are more men than women at the nudist resorts?)

Lil_lilly_nudist -

I think your question was relative to being on a beach (not on a massage table at a nudist resort.)

About a massage -

I wondered about how the male nudists felt about being massaged by the non-nudist masseuse? Many seem very adament about their stance on this issue of an unwanted erection in the nudist environment (the "cover up.")

There always seem to be a lot of talk about nudism not being sexual. So why would those same men who say it is not at all about sex, have a need to carry a towel around on a nude beach? (Is that what HarborGuy refers to as "hyprocrites"?)

Again, I agree with HarborGuy's comments because I am still wondering about some others' comments I have read about nudism.







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CMx2
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Posted - 01/01/2007 :  10:43:51 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by HarborGuy

Ok we give let's all put our clothes back on.Its seems that nobody is mature enough to handle the nude human body in all its forms.

It don't surprise me though. I mean look at any nudist picture site or news groups and what do you see? Nude women. 99.9% of any nodist media or internet site is all pictures of women and if not women then little girls!

I'm serious. Go to alt.binaries.pictures.nudism.youth.and.families and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. The whole damn thing is filled with nothing but women and little girls. Disgusting.

You guys can have this argument that erections are to be hidden. That's fine with me, but never; and I mean never try to convince anyone that nudism isn't about sex when women are the focus of most every nudist picture site I have ever seen. I've even protested that fact in those sites that whover is posting those pictures is no nudist and have gotten back many agreements to that fact from other members yet it continues relentlessly.

From black and white pictures of the 40's and 50's to color pictures from the 60's, 70's and up nothing but women and little girls. Now why do you suppose that is? Couldn't be about sex could it? Nah that would be outragious wouldn't it?

If you don't think I'm correct, I will bow down and never say a word again, but prove it. Show me a family nudist site where the majority of the pictures shown aren't women. Not only women, but women posing for the camera in provocitive ways.

I'm not religious except for nature. I believe in nature and I love nature as my deity, but I was Christian in my youth and I do to this day still believe there is nothing worse than a hypocrite. In fact the only time that Jesus ever spoke in "Anger" was when he was talking to hypocrites. I can't stand hypocrites myself. I would rather kiss a thief than be in the same room with a hypocrite..

So I say this now. Show me some site somewhere that don't spacifically focus on the female body; other than gay nudist sites and I will shut up forever.

You know, I became a nudist not because of sexuality, but because as a father of three I knew there had to be some way to raise my kids without hate. Religion is full of hate and I hate nobody. I even love republicans if you can believe that and I love republicans because I honestly believe life wouldn't be worth liveing if we were all alike. You can't even run a business if everyone just blindly agrees on everything. We need people that see things from the other side of the coin. That's why it's good that we have two parties in office.

More than that though we need honesty and courage which we seem to be lacking in the nudist community.

The bravest people I ever saw in the year of 2006 was the brave teenagers who went nude in that small town in Vermont (I shamefully can't remember the name of the town) last summer. Braves souls they were too. We all and I include myself don't hold a candle to those kids. It took courage to do what they did and I didn't see one, not one artical where any proclaimed nudist group actually went to that small town in Vermont to show any sort of support to those kids. So don't tell me that you think you have a handle on nudism/naturism/naturalism or whatever cause I will look you in the face and call you a bald faced liar.

We all want nudism to be accepted again as it was back in the days of acient Greece and Rome, but need you forget that back in those days an erection wasn't even an eyebrow lifter.

Look at the third world nations today where people still go nude. Their huts don't even have true walls. Do you think they freak out when someone shows up with an erection? They don't carry towels around, just a bow and arrows or dart tube. Do you think the men hide behind some tree? They've been going nude I bet since the<



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HarborGuy
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Made up Facts? LOL How can you make up a fact?

I think though I understand why you are so uneducated. But you would have to know how to read for this advice to help you understand.

There is a magazine you could subscribe to called National Geographics. If you can't read they have some of the best photography in the wold. Photography means pretty pictures by the way. Oh and in National Geographics they have several pictures of nude tribes living in very nice tiki huts. Tiki huts are made of palm frons and have three foot high walls, but are mostly open air.

However if you really can't read there was a TV show back in the 60's called Gilligan's Island. They still have reruns on cable. They lived in tiki huts but theirs were built by professional carpenters for a TV show along the shors of a very populated California.

As far as the sites I talked about you know as well as I do that they exist and clearly the pictures in them are nothing you wouldn't see at any nudist resorts or beaches, but being an at home nudist you might not know that. They are just nude picture and perhaps some women are in provocative poses, but it could also be that the camera was just in the right place at the right time. I never said the pictures were pornographic. I said they were provocative, but is that all you got?

While we're on the subject of me having a childish rampage, why do you still insist on calling erections boners? I only ever hear ten your olds calling them boners. Even teenagers call them erections. Are you not even mature enough to call them by their proper word? Do you still need someone to kiss your boo-boo's?

You may as well stop posting anymore because your credibility is now ruined. If you look back on all my post I have always been respectful and calm in everything I write. I treat everyone with respect and also respect their opinions, but when it comes to your posts it's all name calling and male bashing especially against my posts. You are mean and yes I was ranting a bit, but it seemed to me that, that is the only kind of conversation you understand as it's the only way you ever post.

I'm tired of you calling me and others "Pro-boner people." It's called an erection. I think you can still get into GED classes even as late as it is in the school year.

You said you were tired of this thread a long time ago. Whay then do you keep reading it? Why are you still subscribed to it? You keep grumbling and crying that this thread should end and yet you still keep posting in it.

You know there is a trick you can use if you really want us to think you are tired of this string. You can try reading it, but just not post in it. In that way we all wouldn't know you are reading it showing your own intrest in the subject was all a lie.

You remind me of a priest covering his eyes with his hands as he passes the boys showers, but as he passes he spreads his fingers so he could see through them.



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