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jcmt4
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 Posted - 07/07/2008 : 11:00:42 PM
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i see some traditional nudist-clubs are reverting to clothing-optional. can anyone explain this trend; & will traditional nudists be put off by this?
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LarryWest
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Posted - 07/08/2008 : 09:37:30 AM
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I am still new to the whole business of being a nudist...not being nude just being a nudist...
Seems it may be a way to get more people to the club. Not everyone can jump head first in to the lifestyle or maybe they are fine with it but their partner is not. People that are considering the lifestyle but a nudist-club makes them feel they have to strip down as soon as they walk in the gate...can be scary to them. But clothing optional offers a more gentle sounding way of entering the life style.
Example: I would have no problems going to a nudist club...but my wife would need to step in to the lifestyle more gently. First she may just wear a suit or just go topless until she feels more comfortable. But she still wants to enjoy the time with me so clothing optional sounds "SAFER".
That is just my 2 cents I am sure there are others that have been around longer that can give a better insight on whether they would be put off by this. For me I am there just to have fun and be myself and not concern myself with mhat everyone else is thinking.
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FireProf
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Posted - 07/08/2008 : 09:38:16 AM
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I think the clubs are finding that if you FORCE someone to be nude all the time, they will either; 1. Not give naturism a try. or 2. Be put off by the mandatory nude rule that they will not return to that particular club.
Here's an example of that type of rule.
My wife was diagnosed and had three skin cancers removed in just over a year. She prefers to be nude but now needs to be careful and mindful of over sun exposure.
We were going to visit the former - - - Inn, in Palm Springs, and were told that nudity was mandatory around the pool areas and spa. When I told the person on the phone about my wife's condition, her response was less than businesslike and not at all understanding.
I believe since the change in ownership and management, this rule has changed so that when my wife has had enough sun, she can remain in the pool areas and slip on a shirt until the sun goes down. Another change has been that there are now umbrellas provided to give protection to sunbathers.
We need to get more people involved in naturism and the only way to do that is to allow them to experience it in a clothing optional environment.
It's contradictory for me to say this because we prefer "nudist" clubs and we will always option for no clothes in a clothing optional environment but both my wife and I prefer nude resorts and clubs.
I also think it's important that nude clubs adopt a realistic time line for those newbies to adjust. I've heard of people visiting nudist clubs, and remaining clothed, for years and still hide behind the fact that they are still trying to adjust.
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old hippie
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Posted - 07/08/2008 : 11:02:51 AM
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From a purely commercial point of view, you would think there is a larger market pool for those offering "clothing optional" settings.
Anyhow, it would seem that a philosophy which is founded on freedom would also embrace a freedom to choose the pace at which one embraces nude activity. We all get naked eventually for something; but some of us just see the condition as completely natural and suitable for social activity. Those who are still getting used to this position may want some adjustment time.
I would suspect that there will remain a smaller 'niche' market for all-nude establishments who wish to assure some level of uniformity among the customers....sort of like limiting certain ski slopes to those who are more skilled at skiing. But that would be a self-sorting process, not the sort of external imposition described by FireProf.
I'm all for nudity, but not in favor of enforcement.
Ol' Hippie
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catbird
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Posted - 07/08/2008 : 2:19:11 PM
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Originally posted by old hippie
Those who are still getting used to this position may want some adjustment time.
I'm all for nudity, but not in favor of enforcement.
Ol' Hippie
Dum vivimus, vivamus!
Some people are just "No Way" as for nudity. However it would seem to me that those persons wouldn't continue to visit nudist venues. For that reason, there isn't any need for any enforcement.
Naturally, Catbird
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Cheri
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Posted - 07/08/2008 : 7:23:04 PM
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Date, It's not purely semantics. There are clothing-optional venues for those who don't always want to be nude or for the spouses who are not quite ready to take the plunge into nudism such as Gymno-Vita in Alabama.
Cheri
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nudeisbetter
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 07:11:09 AM
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There are some people I've noticed at Solair who are rarely nude. And a lot of the events people show up with clothes. I just don't get it - why go to a nude resort to get dressed. My wife and I (more her) have occasionally been uncomfortable to show up some place and realize that just about everyone else is dressed.
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go n nude
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Posted - 07/09/2008 : 08:46:28 AM
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Clothes optional resorts/beaches, the choice is clear and includes all regardless of your choice. The public beaches with clothes opt. status are for those who choose or wish to go nude. Some resorts are changing with the times and are allowing clothes opt. to allow members for what ever reason the freedom to choose. They respect my rights and i respect theirs.
go n nude
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agde
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Posted - 07/11/2008 : 12:28:18 PM
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Personally, I am all for the convergence of more naturist resorts loosening up and more textile resorts loosening up. It allows friendship and family groups to be together and it makes clear that rules of respect and tolerance are the same.
The main point is for the interpersonal standards to remain high -- at the higher naturist level -- which is really a matter of managing any recreational environment, ie. zero tolerance for disrespect whether gawkers or teenagers. 
Otherwise, if we can converge on a rule-of-thumb of "wear or don't wear whatever you want, just don't dis anybody", then any personal or situational clothing choices can make more natural sense. Metaphorically, and sometimes literally, clothing-optional convergence puts "pure nude" and "pure textile" at each end of the beach, separated by a broad zone of "who cares?" rather than a wall of intolerance. Life, it seems to me, is all about modulation, respect and tolerance.
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JCountry
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Posted - 07/12/2008 : 2:42:54 PM
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I would have to say that I am a clothing optionalist, not a nudist. I rarely go around without a shirt on except while swimming. I hate wearing anything more than socks and a shirt. Walking around without a shirt on makes me feel naked. 
I don't see what the problem is with clothing optional. I thought nudism was about being free to dress however you wanted. It seems like any nude only resorts would be empty during the winter. Even Arizona gets way too cold to be fully naked in the winter, (unless inside).
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FireProf
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Posted - 07/12/2008 : 6:04:31 PM
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Originally posted by JCountry
I thought nudism was about being free to dress however you wanted.
ahhhhh.......... I'm certain nudism is about being free of clothes...period.
Being a nudist/naturist is about being accepting of others regardless of what they are dressed in....clothes or their skin.
Clothing optional would be free to dress however you wanted.
We are nudists and live clothes free but...we are also sensible about living clothes free and are clothed when practical.
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Cookie
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Posted - 07/12/2008 : 7:53:08 PM
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My wife and I are on way to Solair tomorrow, and you won't have to worry about us wearing clothes.
Once we hit the side road, we are getting ready to be in the buff!!!. When I hit the front office to pay the fee for the day, I am in the buff.
We will enjoy a beautiful summers day, that we have been waiting all through the cold winter months.
We will enjoy the pond, the pool, and the spa!!
The weather is suppose to be in the mid 80's with bright sun, why wear clothes?
Just remember, we are here for a short time, so let's have good time.
Cookie
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Calbob
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Posted - 07/12/2008 : 10:32:32 PM
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As you can see from this thread, if you ever want to start a debate in the hot tub at a nudist club, start talking about "Nudity Required" vs. "Clothing Optional". The arguments will go on and on until everyone leaves. The early nudist clubs always had a nudity required policy to keep the gawkers away. I remember seeing an old picture of a sign at the gate of a club in the midwest that read, "Stop here and disrobe". No "Clothing Optional" there!
Bob
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Calbob
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Posted - 07/12/2008 : 10:39:23 PM
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Originally posted by Cheri
Date, It's not purely semantics. There are clothing-optional venues for those who don't always want to be nude or for the spouses who are not quite ready to take the plunge into nudism such as Gymno-Vita in Alabama.
Cheri
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http://pages.prodigy/cheridonna
When I ran a non-landed club and a new member asked about his wife being able to wear clothes, I always advised that she would feel more comfortable using a large beach or bath towel as a wrap instead of wearing a bathing suit or being fully clothed. Women are always very sensitive about being under-or overdressed in the presence of other women in social situations, and a towel wrap is a nice compromise.
Bob
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Phydeau
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Posted - 07/13/2008 : 03:38:14 AM
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I know this is an age-old debate, and I'm probably about to say something that has been said 60 times on this site, alone. But it seems the biggest challenge nudists have these days (like, the past 80 years) is having the FREEDOM to go nude. I understand the gawker issue, but isn't that a separate issue?
C/O is better than "Clothing Required". I'm not saying that I'd particularly want to be at a location where people were just there to look. That would make me decidedly uncomfortable, myself. But if it kept open a venue that would prevent arrest for "indecent" exposure, it might be worth it. Aside from that, C/O venues might attract a good deal of the curious who want to try it, but aren't sure.
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go n nude
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Posted - 07/13/2008 : 6:40:05 PM
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Originally posted by Phydeau
I know this is an age-old debate, and I'm probably about to say something that has been said 60 times on this site, alone. But it seems the biggest challenge nudists have these days (like, the past 80 years) is having the FREEDOM to go nude. I understand the gawker issue, but isn't that a separate issue?
C/O is better than "Clothing Required". I'm not saying that I'd particularly want to be at a location where people were just there to look. That would make me decidedly uncomfortable, myself. But if it kept open a venue that would prevent arrest for "indecent" exposure, it might be worth it. Aside from that, C/O venues might attract a good deal of the curious who want to try it, but aren't sure.
Well said! Resorts are free to set their own policies and if they find this increases cash flow and memberships that are nudists, who could complain and introduction by the really would like too, but haven't had the courage or chance to experience nudism or felt these resorts wouldn't give them that option (strict rules of always nude or leave weren't helping or growing the membership, of course the reason its called a nudist resort for nudists and their non nudist friends or family who might very well join in because they had that option.
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