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Posted - 09/20/2005 : 10:51:25 PM
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I had to make a comment on this subject. I have been pierced for over 16 years(mine is called a hafata) so you could not classify me as a "fad follower". The reasons for my piercing are my own and if my piercing is a distraction then you are not giving me the respect as an individual with the right to express myself as I wish. I have been judge enough in my life for obvious reason but in doing so you are showing your own weakness as an open minded person in this nudist community. I did not do it to shock you or to intice anyone so why should it matter how I express myself. Is'nt acceptance and support what we all want from each other.
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SingingSabre
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Posted - 09/21/2005 : 04:26:09 AM
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Very well put, FLIPFLOPBEAR. Thank you.
The hafada is a very nice piercing, I'm glad you like yours. :)
"Son, crying in your milk is bad enough. Crying in your hot fudge sundae is just disgusting." R.A. Heinlein.
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 Posted - 09/21/2005 : 7:58:23 PM
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Why do folks with genital piercings seem to be so defensive about it? e.g., "It's my right to express myself" and etc. This entire line of defense essentially copies that proposed in the male erection forum.
"It's my right to have an erection and if you cannot take it, that's your problem" and words to that effect.
I agree with those who do not want hard-earned "privileges" to be nude jeopardized by folks trying to "express" themselves. We neither live in a perfect world nor in a bubble. Thus we need to respect others, albeit minorities, or risk losing it all.
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SingingSabre
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Posted - 09/23/2005 : 01:18:04 AM
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Originally posted by GeeWilly
Why do folks with genital piercings seem to be so defensive about it? e.g., "It's my right to express myself" and etc. This entire line of defense essentially copies that proposed in the male erection forum.
"It's my right to have an erection and if you cannot take it, that's your problem" and words to that effect.
I agree with those who do not want hard-earned "privileges" to be nude jeopardized by folks trying to "express" themselves. We neither live in a perfect world nor in a bubble. Thus we need to respect others, albeit minorities, or risk losing it all.
Why do you feel that those of us with piercings shouldn't be allowed access to c/o places?
"Son, crying in your milk is bad enough. Crying in your hot fudge sundae is just disgusting." R.A. Heinlein.
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Posted - 09/23/2005 : 01:48:06 AM
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If a club or resort has a rule about piercings, then its members set up that rule, and thats the way they want it. just find a club that allows piercings. kind of like being a single male, some clubs won't allow us in.
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GeeWilly
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Posted - 09/23/2005 : 10:16:53 AM
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That I am indifferent to where you puncture your body is not the point, SSabre. Clearly some people find certain piercings to be an offensive statement.
Wouldn't you agree, my friend, that there are no absolute rights in a free society? One's "right" of free speech does not allow one to yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater.
My point of difference is with those who would force their perceived "right" to do something on another. nudetoo gets it: Find your place and enjoy.
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SingingSabre
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Posted - 09/23/2005 : 6:28:52 PM
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Could I please ask you to clarify your post?
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Originally posted by GeeWilly
Why do folks with genital piercings seem to be so defensive about it? e.g., "It's my right to express myself" and etc. This entire line of defense essentially copies that proposed in the male erection forum.
"It's my right to have an erection and if you cannot take it, that's your problem" and words to that effect.
I agree with those who do not want hard-earned "privileges" to be nude jeopardized by folks trying to "express" themselves. We neither live in a perfect world nor in a bubble. Thus we need to respect others, albeit minorities, or risk losing it all.
It is very ambiguous and I cannot tell what you are trying to say.
For example: Are you suggesting that getting a piercing below the neck is akin to having a public erection? Are you suggesting that those of us with non-facial piercings should be barred out of c/o areas?
Please elucidate upon your post.
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Cheri
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Posted - 09/23/2005 : 6:47:52 PM
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SingingSabre, I believe what Willy is trying to say is that anything that draws attention to the genitals is questionable in a g-rated, family-friendly nudist environment.
Regards, Cheri
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SingingSabre
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Posted - 09/24/2005 : 11:34:42 AM
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If that is what he is indeed saying, that's understandable.
However, I fail to see how anyone with a modecum of self restraint would have their attention "drawn" to the genitals if they were pierced.
EDIT: I also fail to see how this is an issue with nipple piercings, if it even is.
~~E
"Son, crying in your milk is bad enough. Crying in your hot fudge sundae is just disgusting." R.A. Heinlein.
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GeeWilly
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Posted - 09/24/2005 : 9:15:49 PM
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SingingSabre: Perhaps you missed my 9/23 post the amplifies the 9/21 post you cited.
I suggest nothing with regard to body piercing beyond that stated in those two posts and Cheri's summation.
I have noted your lengthy polemic posted 8/27 wherein you admitted, "I know my piercings draw attention . . ." and with regard to those who might disagree with that form of attention: "Get over it, people!"
I suggest that anyone seeking "acceptance and support" should be the first person willing to give it.
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SingingSabre
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Posted - 09/25/2005 : 05:33:49 AM
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SingingSabre: Perhaps you missed my 9/23 post the amplifies the 9/21 post you cited.
I suggest nothing with regard to body piercing beyond that stated in those two posts and Cheri's summation.
I have noted your lengthy polemic posted 8/27 wherein you admitted, "I know my piercings draw attention . . ." and with regard to those who might disagree with that form of attention: "Get over it, people!"
I suggest that anyone seeking "acceptance and support" should be the first person willing to give it.
And an obese person's body draws attention to itself. They made a life choice. If someone is offended or sickened at the sight of someone overweight, does that larger person need to find a c/o location of their own?
Yes, I wrote a polemical post. It was attacking narrowmindedness.
Personally, I feel that body modification is body modification. Whether it's a tattoo, piercing, haircut, circumscision, rhinoplasty, liver sort removal, working out, etc. it's a body modification. To say that one attracts more attention than another (all you shavers, out there) and that one is "worse" than another is a fallacy in my eyes.
Please me to define body modification. Here it is: Body modification is any alteration you make to your physical self.
So I pose a new question for both GeeWilly and Cheri. Assume you accept my definition. Would that make shaving less of a nudist sin than a piercing or a tattoo? What about breast augmentation?
"Son, crying in your milk is bad enough. Crying in your hot fudge sundae is just disgusting." R.A. Heinlein.
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Cheri
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Posted - 09/25/2005 : 12:13:38 PM
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Eddie, The obese person's genitals are not having attention drawn to them. Breasts are not gentalia. It's not body modification that's an issue; it's gental piercings.
Cheri
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SingingSabre
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Posted - 09/25/2005 : 2:49:36 PM
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Originally posted by Cheri
Eddie, The obese person's genitals are not having attention drawn to them. Breasts are not gentalia. It's not body modification that's an issue; it's gental piercings.
Cheri
Good answer :). How about the issue of shaving, then?
~~Eddie
"Son, crying in your milk is bad enough. Crying in your hot fudge sundae is just disgusting." R.A. Heinlein.
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Cheri
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Posted - 09/25/2005 : 3:20:08 PM
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Originally posted by SingingSabre
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Originally posted by Cheri
Eddie, The obese person's genitals are not having attention drawn to them. Breasts are not gentalia. It's not body modification that's an issue; it's gental piercings.
Cheri
Good answer :). How about the issue of shaving, then?
~~Eddie
"Son, crying in your milk is bad enough. Crying in your hot fudge sundae is just disgusting." R.A. Heinlein.
I have similar feelings towards shaving but not as strong. I have always trimmed for comfort when having to wear clothes. The first time I saw a shaved adult, it seemed as if the person had not as yet reached adulthood; it was weird but not disturbing. Some of the metal hanging from genitalia is very suggestive to say the least and still don't understand it or fully understand shaving outside of an intimate relationship. For some, each is for decoration as I've learned. IMHO, Prince Alberts and others of that ilk are definitely not appropriate in a nudist setting.
Cheri
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vealj
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Posted - 09/27/2005 : 10:21:16 AM
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IMHO, Prince Alberts and others of that ilk are definitely not appropriate in a nudist setting.
Cheri
And yet, for years, the American Sunbathing Association (now AANR) and its public relations arm has been telling the general public that nudists believe the whole body is not shameful. In their words, "A penis or a breast is no different than an elbow". Apparently that is not true in reality at nudist clubs or within the movement itself.
I remember the shocked attitudes of nudists years ago who objected to other nudists who tattoed themselves, Then came the shock of those who shaved "down there" although apparently those who shave off their beards are perfectly acceptable. Now it's those who wear rings "down there" although those who wear rings in their earlobes are also apparently ok.
I guess we aren't the tolerant, open minded and free individuals we present to the general public after all. We are just as hung up and uptight as the rest of the world.
Take care and ...
Keep it Bare !!!
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