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Bare in the Desert
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 Posted - 05/16/2006 : 12:45:51 AM
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Im looking into purchasing a kayak and am wondering if anyone had any opinions on hard vs softshell.
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Cheri
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Posted - 05/16/2006 : 08:55:56 AM
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Originally posted by Bare in the Desert
Im looking into purchasing a kayak and am wondering if anyone had any opinions on hard vs softshell.
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I'm part of a listserv on Yahoo: nude canoeists who might be able to help out.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nudecanoeists
:) Cheri
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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sailor25
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Posted - 05/16/2006 : 6:01:09 PM
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I have both and the hard shell is a lot faster and easier to control.
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calgarymark
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Posted - 05/18/2006 : 2:21:18 PM
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Originally posted by Bare in the Desert
Im looking into purchasing a kayak and am wondering if anyone had any opinions on hard vs softshell.
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Hi BitD - there's a few more questions you need to ask yourself before we could give any meaningful answer. Where will you use the kayak? white water river, still and deep lake or the sea for long journeys, or just messing about off the beach (Lake Powell?) on hot days? How many people involved - just yourself, or do you want to take a companion or your daughter (double kayak)? Different types of boat are appropriate.
Then there's storage and transport - an apartment dweller probably wouldn't want a big rigid boat, but there are collapsible boats like Klepper and Feathercraft that dismantle down to apartment-size storage and are capable of long trips. Inflatables, in my opinion, are only good for messing about off the beach on a guaranteed warm, still day; for anything else you need the appropriate design and construction of boat - plywood, polyethylene plastic or fibreglass, even Kevlar if $$ are no object!
Look at your biggest and best outdoor stores or bookshops in the magazine section for some of the specialised magazines like Sea Kayaker, or the public library for books on kayaking. Lots of ideas there, and cautionary tales too. Safety is a very important factor - that means knowing how to rescue yourself in the worst scenarios.
Please do consider safety very seriously - if you are out on a lake wearing only a suntan in an inflatable, and a storm comes up, the consequences could be fatal; not to be morbid, I have enjoyed messing about in kayaks since I was about 5, that's nearly 60 years and I'm still here.
I can't think of a nicer way to spend time on the water, except perhaps sailing.
Good wishes in your search!
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wmrsjr05
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Posted - 05/18/2006 : 9:11:16 PM
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I have the hard shell is a lot faster and easier to control.In 2004 this girl that I go kayaking with
had a solfshell we went down the river from Topock to Lake Havasu.she had to work all the way down the river 6.5hr.The next year she got a sea kayak and we made it down to Lake Havasu in 5hr.and she did not have to work all the way.My son and I did 40+mils in two days on Lake Mohave and had to get out becouse of wind we did 1.5mi.in 3hr.the next day we went back the 1.5mi. in .3hr we had hard kayak's.
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paminimalist
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Posted - 05/29/2006 : 3:49:25 PM
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Hard shell Kayaks BUT if have to urinate very hard to do due to tight cockpit.
Fine if in HI, Caribbean waters NOT
NO CA area & No Pacific area.
Cold, muddy etc waters.
Very tippy too.
Best kayak Im told is Hard shell BUT U sit exposed to elements vs Cockpit kayak.
Strap feet in & row.
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Bare in the Desert
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Posted - 05/31/2006 : 11:13:04 AM
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Originally posted by calgarymark
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Originally posted by Bare in the Desert
Im looking into purchasing a kayak and am wondering if anyone had any opinions on hard vs softshell.
http://members.cox.net/freedomaz01
Hi BitD - there's a few more questions you need to ask yourself before we could give any meaningful answer. Where will you use the kayak? white water river, still and deep lake or the sea for long journeys, or just messing about off the beach (Lake Powell?) on hot days? How many people involved - just yourself, or do you want to take a companion or your daughter (double kayak)? Different types of boat are appropriate.
Then there's storage and transport - an apartment dweller probably wouldn't want a big rigid boat, but there are collapsible boats like Klepper and Feathercraft that dismantle down to apartment-size storage and are capable of long trips. Inflatables, in my opinion, are only good for messing about off the beach on a guaranteed warm, still day; for anything else you need the appropriate design and construction of boat - plywood, polyethylene plastic or fibreglass, even Kevlar if $$ are no object!
Look at your biggest and best outdoor stores or bookshops in the magazine section for some of the specialised magazines like Sea Kayaker, or the public library for books on kayaking. Lots of ideas there, and cautionary tales too. Safety is a very important factor - that means knowing how to rescue yourself in the worst scenarios.
Please do consider safety very seriously - if you are out on a lake wearing only a suntan in an inflatable, and a storm comes up, the consequences could be fatal; not to be morbid, I have enjoyed messing about in kayaks since I was about 5, that's nearly 60 years and I'm still here.
I can't think of a nicer way to spend time on the water, except perhaps sailing.
Good wishes in your search!
CalgaryMark
Thanks CalgaryMark,
You've given me some things to think about to help narrow down the decision. I think we are looking at getting some softshells. We're gonna tryout a rental first to make sure this is for us. We will most likely need to transport 3 crafts, 2 singles and one double and withought some sort of trailer I'm not sure how to transport 3 hardshell kayaks. We are looking at floating around calm water, local lakes... nothing too serious. We do have a house but storage is limited so finding a place out of the weather (and sun here in AZ) would be difficult.
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GuyThaLizard
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 12:48:09 PM
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I too am thinking of purchasing a kayak this year and taking in some o'natural kayaking.
I found this site with info about a "Sit-On-Top" Kayak I am thinking of purchasing anyone out there heard of a Ocean Kayak "Malibu" or have experience with kayaking? Take a look at this link and let me know your opinion.
http://www.brighton-canoes.co.uk/productpages/sit-on-tops/malibu_2.htm
Priced at Mtn. Equip. co-op at $650.00 CAD
Guy
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GuyThaLizard,
"Nude" just means barefoot all over.
... Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins,
and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so,
walking naked and barefoot. (Isaiah 20:2-4)
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Bare in the Desert
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Posted - 02/15/2007 : 1:07:17 PM
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I've rented a single seater similar to the Malibu a couple if times. I found that I like the sit-in better, completely a presonal preference. I like the inside storage and being able to be nude out on the lake, no one knows the difference since I'm hidden from the waste down. Performance wise I found no real differences. It also depends on where you want to go, white water, ocean or calm water.
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GuyThaLizard
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 Posted - 02/15/2007 : 1:33:10 PM
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Cool
I am planning mainly lakes. I have used my rubber raft but it is now more than 20 years old now and ready for retire. :) I found the rubber raft slow and having to row backwards a pain unless you have a co-pilot. I found a bunch of secluded lakes around here that I think would be great for c/o use and think it wouldn't be much problem sitting on top exposed in a secluded area. But it still would be great, I think, for getting to a good secluded beach on a large lake with my backpack (or dry-sac)and spend a night.
Guy
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Originally posted by Bare in the Desert
I've rented a single seater similar to the Malibu a couple if times. I found that I like the sit-in better, completely a presonal preference. I like the inside storage and being able to be nude out on the lake, no one knows the difference since I'm hidden from the waste down. Performance wise I found no real differences. It also depends on where you want to go, white water, ocean or calm water.
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GuyThaLizard,
"Nude" just means barefoot all over.
... Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins,
and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so,
walking naked and barefoot. (Isaiah 20:2-4)
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calgarymark
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Posted - 02/16/2007 : 1:31:21 PM
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Originally posted by GuyThaLizard
I too am thinking of purchasing a kayak this year and taking in some o'natural kayaking.
I found this site with info about a "Sit-On-Top" Kayak I am thinking of purchasing anyone out there heard of a Ocean Kayak "Malibu" or have experience with kayaking? Take a look at this link and let me know your opinion.
http://www.brighton-canoes.co.uk/productpages/sit-on-tops/malibu_2.htm
Priced at Mtn. Equip. co-op at $650.00 CAD
Guy
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GuyThaLizard,
"Nude" just means barefoot all over.
... Go and loose the sackcloth from off thy loins,
and put off thy shoe from thy foot. And he did so,
walking naked and barefoot. (Isaiah 20:2-4)
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I've only used a sit-on-top once, it was one of the most uncomfortable boats I have ever been 'in'; however it could have some merit for warm, flat lakes where the weather never turns nasty or dangerous. Guy, I recommend a quick trip to Vancouver to these folks:
http://www.ecomarine.com/locations/index.html
for the best information I know about; good hunting, and I envy you - I can't paddle any more, since injuring my rotator cuff, skiing, a few years ago. I suggest you take a class and practice with some of their rental boats before you make a decision.
CalgaryMark
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Jimmy D
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Posted - 02/17/2007 : 10:51:03 PM
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It's obvious that clagary mark (sorry if II messed up your forum name) knows his stuff. I used to kayak a sit-on-top tandem with a lady friend at a nude beach. We felt so free being naked out on the surf. Now, Im into whitewater kayaking which nudity really dose not have a place. I've tried the inflatables on the surf and felt I had less speed and less control although far more comfortable.
Many others would not wear a pfd (lifevest) because when the ocean gets rough, the life jacket makes it harder to get out there. I think this is not a wise choice (and the coastguard can fine you). The oceans character can change fast. I've been out there a few times when this has happened. On more than one occasions, we pretty far out where the waves are quite flat and all of the sudded, a huge wave not only flipped us, but put us many yards away from the kayak. I am glad I wore it that day and always wear it.
If planning to ocean kayak, learn what to look out for, wear a pfd and most important, have a blast.
PS I rescued someone with my kayak one day. He was a real good swimmer in good physical condition. He was swimming and got pulled out quite far.I believe part of a sand bar collapsed. Be safe out there.
Jimmy D
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sailawaybob
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Posted - 01/06/2009 : 3:26:02 PM
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I have a inflatable kayak and they don't track well unless you get a skeg for it, I am now looking for a hard shell maybe a sit on or have considered one built by native craft which looks something like a canoe.
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