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Schroder
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Posted - 07/28/2013 :  12:03:00 PM  Show Profile  Send Schroder a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
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If you guys are concerned that Gunnison Beach may be next on the chopping block, you should really help us out. We need letters written to US senators and congress reps supporting clothing optional use of Fire Island beaches.



Tubby here is another thought to do in addition to letter writing. I'm not a New Yorker but I follow news related to nudism. Years ago as the result of a court case it became legal for women to go topless anywhere in New York. But as far as I know women are not exercising their right on the public beaches. Maybe women who used Lighthouse should now begin to go topless on the mainstream textile beaches. Not being familiar with the area, I'm thinking of places like Coney Island or any public beach that is popular. Lighthouse men should be with them and wearing the minimal amount of fabric allowed by law, whatever that might be. Everyone who can help should join them, not just former Lighthouse people. And by all means get Lola and her group to join every weekend.

That is guarenteed to be noticed in a big way. Just tell everybody, lifeguards, people on the beach, news reporters - you used to go to Lighthouse but the Park Service took away your privileges so now you must go to the mainstream beaches. The story will make the news. You'll pick up some support for having a place for nudity.

Obviously not everyone is in a position to be able to do that, but I'll bet some are. It's another way of working to get your beach back, or hopefully some new place where nudity will be allowed again.




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baie rouge nudists
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Posted - 07/28/2013 :  4:47:11 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We'd love to get Lighthouse on Fire Island back. Not to start a border war, but Jersey is reaping the benefits in money with Gunnison. If only the jackass New York politicos would realize that. Also, I'm sure with the destruction of nude use at Lighthouse, the good people of Gunnison are feeling rather squeezed by the Fire Island exodus in the way of crowds.
Also, a word to those who see nothing wrong with having sex behind your wind screen, that's what goy Lighthouse closed due to those very same allegations. I hope Gunnison and the people who enjoy it, never face what we in Fire Island have had to this summer.



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rhody11
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Posted - 07/28/2013 :  6:26:13 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Had a good trip to Gunnison on Saturday. I was there early and wish I could have stayed longer. It was the first trip since early June and I noticed some things. First, it seemed as if the gawker count is down significantly. Second it seemed as if the compound count is up... not just windscreens, but full on tents, domes, etc. Not sure if this was because I was there on a Saturday or what, but there seemed to be a lot more.

Next trip is in a few weeks. Wife and I are heading down there for a Friday and Saturday. For those who have been there on both a weekday and a weekend, what's the difference in the crowd and what time should I plan on getting there on a Friday morning?

Rhody11



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tubby
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Posted - 07/29/2013 :  07:28:57 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Tubby here is another thought to do in addition to letter writing... I'm not a New Yorker but...it became legal for women to go topless anywhere in New York. But as far as I know women are not exercising their right on the public beaches. Maybe women who used Lighthouse should now begin to go topless on the mainstream textile beaches. Not being familiar with the area, I'm thinking of places like Coney Island or any public beach that is popular. Lighthouse men should be with them and wearing the minimal amount of fabric allowed by law, whatever that might be. Everyone who can help should join them, not just former Lighthouse people. And by all means get Lola and her group to join every weekend.

That is guarenteed to be noticed in a big way. Just tell everybody, lifeguards, people on the beach, news reporters - you used to go to Lighthouse but the Park Service took away your privileges so now you must go to the mainstream beaches. The story will make the news. You'll pick up some support for having a place for nudity...




Well, thanks for the ideas. There is a lot of discussion taking place in regards to this on the L.I. Travasuns's Yahoo group. Right now the consensus is to pretty much occupy Lighthouse Beach wearing "Le Minimum" as outlined by the Naturist Action Committee (NAC).

Looking back at when Riis Park lost its CO section in the 80's, the news coverage didn't help at all, and actually made the beach users out to be a bunch of freaks.

There actually are women who go topfree on the beaches, but they don't do it in the crowded areas. They go towards the outskirts away from where the beach is heavily used. We used to get a fair amount of topfree women between Robert Moses Field 5 and Lighthouse beach. If you go to Jones Beach you find the same thing, topfree women on the outskirts away from the main crowds. I understand that there is an area of Riis Beach that has become popular for topfree women.

The other thing to note, is that the crowd at Lighthouse beach appears to haves thinned out. While this is somewhat true, it is also due in part to the fact that many of the former nude beach visitors now are wearing the minimum coverage and are using the eastern portion of Robert Moses field 5 instead of walking all the way to the federal land at lighthouse. So there is an intermingling of sorts taking place on the eastern portion of Robert Moses field 5. Sadly, none of the textiles seem to care or even talk about it. So much for "If we invade their beach they'll cry out for us to get ours back."

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Originally posted by baie rouge nudists

We'd love to get Lighthouse on Fire Island back. Not to start a border war, but Jersey is reaping the benefits in money with Gunnison. If only the jackass New York politicos would realize that. Also, I'm sure with the destruction of nude use at Lighthouse, the good people of Gunnison are feeling rather squeezed by the Fire Island exodus in the way of crowds.



Agreed good point. People are too busy focusing on Anthony Weiner's weiner right now. Ironically it was revealed that he was one of the major people involved with doing away with the clothing optional section of Riis Park years ago.


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Also, a word to those who see nothing wrong with having sex behind your wind screen, that's what goy Lighthouse closed due to those very same allegations. I hope Gunnison and the people who enjoy it, never face what we in Fire Island have had to this summer.



There was more to it than alleged sex, but sex was a reason stated by the FINS management. Public sex, prostitution and illegal drug use/possession were the behavioral issues of the beach users given by the chief ranger. While I won't deny that these things didn't happen, I must say that the instances were fairly low and infrequent. When asked to produce numbers of incidents the excuse was that the rangers are busy and due to low number of staff didn't have time to keep track of this kind of information.

There were also a number of other issues mentioned too, such as environmental, endangered species protection, Hurricane Sandy damage, too many people on the beach with no lifeguards, insufficient restroom facilities.

Oddly enough, it isn't just the naturists that the NPS is giving a hard time. They are also making life difficult to the residents of the Fire Island communities and even making things difficult for the Lighthouse society. As one volunteer there put it, It's like their attitude is, "We have this lovely wonderful park here. Too bad all of these people have to come here and screw it up." It's really as if they don't want people in the park period. It's truly a shame, because the FINS staff used to be the most friendly, professional and accommodating park management team around. Why the sudden change? I look to the top of the pecking order.



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baie rouge nudists
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Posted - 07/29/2013 :  08:12:43 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No doubt what you say Tubby about LightHouse is true. We heard from the NAC and we are also writing to representatives in Washington about re-opening the beach. Another excuse for closing areas of the beach is the excuse of "environmental disaster" brought on by Sandy. To me, this is just a group of eco-terrorists, led by Kotschmann putting their agenda ahead of ours. I believe in protecting the environment as well, but a compromise needs to be reached as it has been on textile beaches.
As for Riis, the area to the far left is pre-dominantly gay, but moving over to the next bay or two, topless single women and couples ladies frequently take their tops off to swim and sun. We have to end this prejudice against nudity at Lighthouse in Fire Island. Keep the pressure on the politicians to do something. They claim equal rights for gay people. Well , we know many gay and hetero friends who are losing their rights to this attack against nude beach use there!



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BeachCouple38
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Posted - 07/29/2013 :  7:57:21 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
They should ban all those stupid tents and windscreens. All they do is block the view of the ocean and harbor unaccepable behavior. I could see these tents and windscreens as the cause for the loss of Gunnison as a nude beach. All those tents and tent complexes that these yo yos set up make the beach look like an occupy Gunnison movement. And not for a good cause. I have many times witnessed morons who come with their hammers and windscreens and stake out an area for themselves that could fit 20 people and it's just 2 or 3 of them. If one needs shade then an umbrella is perfectly suitable.


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tubby
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Posted - 07/30/2013 :  01:56:38 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by BeachCouple38

They should ban all those stupid tents and windscreens. All they do is block the view of the ocean...I have many times witnessed morons who ...stake out an area for themselves that could fit 20 people and it's just 2 or 3 of them. If one needs shade then an umbrella is perfectly suitable.



Do you guys have a beach users group. How active is Friends of Gunnison? This sounds like an issue that could be discussed with an organized beach user group, and they could set up a zone that prohibits the use of windscreens on part of the beach. Kind of like the way some beaches have areas where radios aren't allowed unless earphones are being used.

The only other thing I could suggest is maybe invent some kind of tall beach chair. Tall enough to see right over their tents and windscreens. Think of the fun you'd have sitting in your nice tall chair, right behind or next to their wind screen, knowing that their so-called privacy screen failed them.



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Fishman81
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Posted - 08/01/2013 :  02:13:52 AM  Show Profile  Send Fishman81 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Tubby, I am all for a ban on audible radios. I HATE radios on the beach!

There was an older guy on Gunnison just yesterday who started blasting Kiss (of all things) and messed-up the tranquility of probably 100 people within earshot. (Yup, I asked him to turn it down, and he turned it off...)


I am fine with being a jerk there; I pretty-much have to be. You just cannot be subtle with the clueless element, and the clueless are out in full-force at Gunnison each and every day. There exists a hard-core group of middle-aged male morons who refuse to act as though they're older than 14, and they've all been there for years and years. There are very few refugees from Lighthouse, from what I can see and hear... The problem-population at Gunnison are the same aging male idiots that I've been seeing there for 10 years now.

And, about the windscreens: ladies and gentlemen, it can be downright cold on the Jersey Shore even on July 31st, as it was just today. We put up our screen for the first time all season just to avoid hypothermia secondary to the 20 MPH gusts coming off the sea. Without it, we would have been obliged to stay wrapped-up in our towels and shivering, which kinda defeats the whole concept of enjoying the sun au natural, doesn't it?

It still seems to me that at least half of the complaints about windscreens are more about the complainants not being able to view the naked women seeking shelter behind them than it is about them not seeing the ocean. There is always a way to see the water, even if you have to relocate a few feet away.

I have never heard a woman complain about windscreens... In fact, they tend to be the ones who want them in place on chilly, windy days.(Of course, it's worth mentioning that women generally don't go there to gawk, whereas practically 100% of the single men there apparently do.)




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BeachCouple38
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Posted - 08/05/2013 :  8:32:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Anyone have any recent trips to Gunnison? How was your trip?


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Fishman81
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Posted - 08/06/2013 :  02:05:52 AM  Show Profile  Send Fishman81 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
(I have a report by proxy...)

Both yesterday and today, my companion was at SH with her 15 YO daughter, who wanted to experience nude sunbathing/swimming. (The former had the good sense to park at North Beach and let her daughter suss it out from there.)

Needless to say, the girl wasn't interested at all in crossing the line to Gunnison, once she saw all the revolting old-man gawkers circling the place like so many desperate buzzards, and who could blame her?

I've said it a million times, and I'll say it again: don't put up with this s***. Insist on polite behavior, and be proactive regarding the losers who should just stay home and watch porn.

Maybe that goal seems unattainable to some of you, but I have a track-record now, and the usual idiots steer WAY clear of me these days. This approach does work.

Everyone else can get there too... All it takes to accomplish that much is to call them out on their rude and absurd behavior.

Deep-down in their childish psyches, the morons know that they're sexual predators, and they'll slink away once someone points that fact out to them yet again. (If enough people do that, maybe they'll never return, right?






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Big John
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Posted - 08/06/2013 :  07:53:06 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
About a month or so ago, I came to this site and asked if I would be accepted as an old fat guy, going to the beach alone. I've always been a closet nudist, and wanted to get out there in the sun.
I got one or two "yeah, no problem" answers, but a lot of "fat guy's sit next to teenagers and stare at their vagina's", "Don't talk to teenagers, bla, bla, bla". I decided not to go, it seemed like their were a lot of non-nudists at Gunnison.

Well, to my surprise, my wife agreed to go yesterday, so we went in the afternoon. I loved the way the sun hit my body, I loved the way the water felt, I loved the freedom of walking in nature, naturally, I loved the way my wife looked.Then I looked around. Yes, there are issues there.

You must be a bunch of kids here, because I don't know what you're calling "old" but the only other fat "old" guys that I saw, were with their fat "old" wives and they weren't bothering anybody.
The annoyance's I saw were the 30 something year old men with their big dicks preening near the water. Also, the Jamaican (or whatever) guy's who were in pairs, walking around in their bathing suits. Also, what's the deal with the clothing only area to the left? There were guy's sitting in chairs at the rope line, facing the nude's more than the water. And the young couples from that area who would take a casual walk along the water...in the nude area, hand in hand wearing bathing suits.

It could be that there is a problem with "old" (over 50? 60? 30?) guys there, maybe they just weren't there yesterday. But from what I'm reading here, you people seem more of a problem than any old guys.

The comments I read here don't say much about nudism itself. Are YOU people really nudists, or are you people who like to walk around with no clothes on, meeting each other? Where are the comments about nudism itself?

I'm not going to worry about going to Gunnison on my own, men seem to be the large majority anyway. I'm just going to enjoy naturalism and ignore you idiots.

-Big John




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Fishman81
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Posted - 08/07/2013 :  01:59:59 AM  Show Profile  Send Fishman81 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Big John, I'm 54. Not a kid by any means, nor am I an idiot... But my partners on the beach are much younger than I, and in good shape.

So, let's finally address the gawking-issue without ignoring the obvious here: if your wife/female companion isn't physically attractive, then no geriatric (or younger) men are going to stomp on your beach towel all day long in order to get a better look at her genitals.

God help you if you she is, though, because you'll be fending-off rude morons continuously as a result. This is not merely my opinion; it's a fact of life at Gunnison. I've been living it for 10 years now. (When, for instance, on a clothed beach, or anywhere else, do you see a 70 year-old man impose himself on a group of 20-something girls? In a shopping mall or a public park, or anywhere?)

I may not be a true nudist -whatever that is supposed to be- but I enjoy swimming and sunning naked, and I like to introduce my friends to the experience while we mind our own business.

The morons to which I refer (and yes, not all of them are older than God, but most of them are) just serve to discourage younger people from going to places like Gunnison, and that situation is not going to grow the clothing-optional opportunities in America, am I right?






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Posted - 08/07/2013 :  5:17:36 PM  Show Profile  Send Diger a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I have never been to SH but have related some our my experience from Apollo to the mix here. However last week we met an attractive and sweet lady by the name of Lorie at Apollo that is somewhat of a regular at SH and we got to talking about the gawkers which according to her is a real problem.

She will get in their face and call them on it without a lot of success and her boyfriend tells her to not let it bother her, but it does and she keeps trying. I was told of something a while back that I suggested to her of snapping a photo of them and tell them you have a website this was going on. She was excited saying she had never thought of that and she would give it a try. Some of you regulars might even start a real website to post these guy's pictures. That way you can snap their photo then hand them a slip of paper with the web address on it. I bet they would scurry away like the rats they are.







Diger



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Fishman81
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Posted - 08/08/2013 :  01:52:39 AM  Show Profile  Send Fishman81 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Nice post and good for Lorie.

(I'm surprised that she hasn't had more success chasing off the beach-zombies, though... The few times I've seen women get in the gawkers' faces, the men ran off like their hair was on fire. One time, the nearby folks even applauded enthusiastically.)

Your idea of a Gawker Gallery is a good one, but those numbskulls wouldn't get the message anyway, is my guess.

I'm sorry to repeat myself for the 1,000,000th time, but "it takes a village" to get rid of this element, IMO... If we all stood-up and demanded manners, those losers would stay home.

PS: I saw something great last week. Three Latin girls were hanging out near us and having fun among themselves, and none of them seemed to speak much English... But when some clueless old dolt would wander up to them, one of the girls would wave him away, and say "You f*** off! You f*** off!" with a heavy accent.

It worked like a charm, and it kept me laughing all day long.



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Diger
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Posted - 08/08/2013 :  11:43:26 AM  Show Profile  Send Diger a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I agree with you 100% Fishman, if everyone stood up every time it would stop.

I didn't mean to say Lorie didn't get rid of the perv but more that it didn't help stop anything.






Diger



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