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pilot
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 Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:19:04 AM
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Dear Dexter,
Welcome to the forum.
I think you've received a range of comments here. It might be worthwhile separating them out along a couple of lines, namely nudism and fitness.
1. First, congratulations on your success as a lifter. I am still lifting at age 49 and can only remember those types of numbers. On a best day, I can still do a 1RM on 315 on the bench. So stay with the lifting and your other fitness programs. They'll last a lifetime. Also bear in mind that if you are the champ, there are a lot of us out there who aspired but didn't make it. Even Dr. Squat can't do his mak any more. Probably better to encourage us than suggest that we didn't try. My point is that you are likely to have one of the fittest bodies on any beach, textiled or not. Congratulations. But remember that the rest of us will be not-quite-so-taut...
2. I think it's fair to say that nudism has its share--some would say more than its share of--of overweight, unfit etc. What's interesting is that organized nudism has slowly awakened to this fact. There is a column that has just started to run in the AANR Bulletin on fitness. I do not think that the physiology/obesity issues that you mention are restricted to nudism, but I accept that they are "in your face". Perhaps you can take a leadership role in changing the way people view their responsibilities to health, wellness and fitness. You have the passion. It's a matter of channeling it.
3. Part of nudism includes the notion of "body acceptance". This gets debated from time-to-time. I think it's fair to say that as all of us age, we acquire marks of aging--surgical scars, stretch markes from pregnancy, some play in abdominal walls and stretching of Cooper's ligaments that causes breasts to sag somewhat. This will happen to you too. It's important that you distinguish between inevitable aging (yes, body fat does increase a few percent along the way) from the fitness issue. You will find some people who reject any body critique. You will find some who accept the distinctions I have alluded to. You will find none who believe that an eternal quest for Ken-and-Barbie bodies makes sense.
4. As a champ at 18, you have a life and a world ahead of you. I hope that you can find a way to blend fitness, organized nudity, healthy lifestyles etc in a way that appeals to young people. The fact that you don't see it today means that there is opportunity for tomorrow.
Good Luck.
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StatePowerlifterChamp
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:35:59 AM
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I have read the replies and find it very interesting. First of all to say I never mentioned that I was better than ANYBODY else. That was a deliberately manipulated misconception there. Absolutely, I could be a homophobic because to me..being a homesexual is very unnatural and abnormal..so being a homophobic is a natural reaction according to the natural human laws. Ainny made a good point saying that its just about being nude yourself..and it isn't about who's good looking or who's not. I think ainNY might have misunderstood me there. I am not against obese or old people because of "looks" or if they "workout" or not. Absolutely NOT. The point I am trying to stress is the inclination of motivation and willpower. If you have the willpower to get naked and enjoy yourself in the nude (which takes a lot of willpower to do) then you should absolutely have the motivation to get out there, and eat a healthy diet and workout at your OWN pace with or without weights. I understand that older people cannot workout as hard as younger people, and by no means do I suggest that. I am just trying to bring a new side to naturism that if you are so proud of yourself being in the nude, and you love enjoying yourself in that sun, why won't you bother to modify that "proud" body of yours and do some improvements on it? What im seeing here is a lot of misunderstanding and misconceptions. I do NOT believe that nudism is a sex oriented issue like other kids my age. Absolutely NOT! I believe it is a new meaning of freedom and acceptance of who you are. But if you accept who you are, knowing the fact that you could improve it to a certain degree, then what good would accepting the bad part of you be? Let me give you 2 scenerios and tell me which is better. 1. An old man about 55 years is extremly proud of self-conscious of who he is. Therefore he is declared a true naturist and daily goes to the nude beach. As a result of his being proudness, he proves his loyalty and comradeship to his body by submitting himself to a strict, healthy diet. To further prove his undying loyalty to his body, he works out AT HIS OWN PACE in an attempt to modify and expand his proudness beyond his limitations. As a result of this inclination of exercise and good diet, he is now a healthy, lean older man, who has brought up his level of self-consciousness a certain degree. scenerio 2. An older man..about the same age as man #1 in his 50's, is also a naturist. Unfortunately this man has limited willpower and motivation. He is motivated enough to take off his clothes but isn't motivated to eat healthy, or even bother workout.He is labeled as a lazy individual. He is fat, unhealthy, and sick, when he could be as healthy as man #1 from the first scenerio, but chooses not to be. Well you people say because he chooses not to be healthy he doesnt have to. But look at the example he is setting to our extremly few younger naturists. He is showing them that being on a healthy diet or working out doesnt matter..what matters is only that your proud of yourself. You are defending this unhealthy, fat man..over the healthy, in shape man. I have no idea why. We should set an example to the other naturists, and have at least some morals to abide to. Don't you think? That is how democracy was invented. Anarchy was invented without any morals or standards. Think about it..Law and order..or turmoil and chaos.
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AinNY
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:22:41 PM
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You're getting better with every post ;)
Its ok to think gay is wrong...well its no OK, but its your choice and your opinion...i will not argue tha...you are free to believe what you want. But you have no reason to fear it. Just b/c you dont like it doesnt mean you have to fear it or stay away from it. Its not going to bite you...lol...im not homosexual...just amking a point.
I admire you for wanting everyone to be in shape. But beign 18 you know not yet what everyone's life consists of. You do not know how people organize their time. If they have time to work out. Maybe they do not want to spend the few free hours they have a day in a gym. You cannot say a person does not have the right to choose that. You cannot call him lazy for that either.
Let me give you 2 examples. #1 - an 18 year old kid who has almost zero worries in his life and responsibilities who has plenty of free time and money to spend his days in the gym. #2 a 45 year old man who has children, two jobs, more to worry about than you can even imagine right now, very little free time, money is tight, and who chooses to spend his free time playing with his kids.
Are you going to tell me that the #2 man is LAZY? THAT IS TOTALLY UNFOUNDED AND WRONG. Working out at the gym is easy in comparison to working full time, supporting a family, etc.....Im not defending one over the other...BECAUSE I WILL NOT JUDGE EITHER OF THEM. I dont know them...i dont know what their lives consist of. To judge people w/o knowing them is wrong. To judge them based on physical appearance is even worse.
My only point is that you really have no right to call people lazy if you do not know them personally and know their situations.
You can talk about willpower and motivation all you want. Let me know when you have a full time job and kids to raise and you get up every morning at 6AM to go to work and come home at 8PM just to spend an hour with your kids before they go to sleep. Then you can tell me about motivation and willpower.
Yes..you are right...people SHOULD eat healthy and do as much as they can...but not everyone has the desire to do that. And you cannot judge them for that. Especially being 18 and not really knowing about what else is out there in life.
Im really not trying to be a dick...im just trying to explain my point.
I should spend more time in teh gym....i only get to play basketball 3 or 4 times a week for 2 to 3 hours and do a little running....but i choose to do other things that make me happier...YOU CANNOT FAULT ME OR JUDGE ME FOR THAT. If you do you are wrong.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 12:50:36 PM
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Dexter,
I'm glad we didn't scare you off. But at least it has started a spirited conversation.
I once started a Yahoo group for nudists to discus weight, health and exercise issues but I failed to generate interest in it. Apparently it's not one of my skills. But I think there is potential for someone like you to get people motivated.
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StatePowerlifterChamp
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 1:36:01 PM
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ainNY, you make excellent fantastic points, though very manipulative I must admit. About the gays, I have never stated I fear them at all, nor have I positively stated I was absolutely a homophobic. Try going nude in a beach, being young and muscular and lean, and see what I am talking about regarding gay people gawking :) I totally agree with you that judging people is wrong, and I have never intended to judge people nor I ever will. In my scenerio, I was not talking about a 45 year old man with 2 jobs, 3 children to take care of, very little time ETC. I was talking about a 55 year old RETIRED man with all of the time in the world in his little Florida house sipping on a Pina Colada or whatever. You are absolutely right that when it comes to being a 45 year old man with a lot of obligations and priorities to fulfill in his life, that sometimes family matters dominate over the workout-fitness-health matters. That is absolutely right, that the 45 year old man should fulfill family priorities first, and IF HE HAS THE TIME, resort to fitness. (the busy 45 year old can run up the stairs at work, do some quick pushups in morning, perhaps get up a bit earlier to jog if he can) My argument was intended to get the more older, retired naturists to make full use of their vast free time by improving themselves, aside from the family matters and so forth instead of spending their free time watching TV all day and smoking cigars. I have not critized any hard working busy working man for being lazy..absolutely not..nor have I judged any of them. My point is intended to reach out to those who have the TIME to workout aside from all other more important matters (family, work, ETC). I am trying to educate the people who have vast and little time in their hands, young and old alike, to make full, potential USE of their time into useful, health benefiting activites, into improving their health, body ETC. (it doesnt have to be HOURS in a gym lol, it can be simple 20 minute workouts a day such as jogging, taking the work stairs, doing physically active family activites such as playing basketball wiht your kids etc. The key here is education, and attaining a new consciousness towards naturism. The problem in today's society is that people choose certain unhealthy things over the other healthy things, which they have every right to do so. You are absolutely right that they have the free-will to make unhealthy choices in their life..and it is not proper to judge them. But I am just trying to stress the fact that only doing healthy things over the other will benefit the pleasure and self-consciousness of naturism, that is taking it to the next level. But Ainny wouldnt you prefer and suggest that they make the healthier choices over the bad? It is logical common sense that prevails.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 1:48:00 PM
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I think that the mindset in the modern world is to do things the easy way. "Let technology and convienience to it for us." I also think that the idea of "it's OK to be different" has grown out off proportion to justify to some degree, being satisfied with being less than your personal potential would allow.
Randy
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FireProf
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 Posted - 06/23/2004 : 10:05:25 PM
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Young weightlifter,
I have one request as we continue to discuss this topic. Can you break your posts up into separate paragraphs. It is difficult to read what you have to say when your post looks like one long run on sentence.
Thanks, and keep posting.
AinNY,
Didn't think you were being mean to weighlifter at all. I hope you're right, hope he is able to keep an opened mind and listen to what many intellegent, experienced, "old", "true nudists" have to say.
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StatePowerlifterChamp
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Posted - 06/23/2004 : 11:15:38 PM
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Fireman-I will absolutely put it in paragraph format, please accept my apologies. The only way to analyze and understand situations the un-biased and trithful way is to keep an open mind, in which I am obliged to do so under any condition. I am waiting for Ainny's reply on what I have said and lets hope the discussion runs as smooth as possible. Thanks all,
Dexter
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AinNY
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Posted - 06/24/2004 : 08:46:22 AM
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Im sorry if I came off as being mean...i didnt mean it like that.
It seemed as if you were judging people...thats a big no-no in my book...so maybe i jumped to a few conclusions...
Im sorry if I offended you or anyone...
StatePower....I greatly understand your point about being healhty and in shape...and I 100% agree with you on that. I just dont think you should let it effect you and ruin your good times. Trust me i know the issue you are referring to with homosexual men. I get hit on a lot by guys, whether im clothed or not. I get stares at the nude beach also...a lot. But I can just shrug them all off. Just like you are going to notice a good looking woman...they are going to notice a good looking guy.
I hope we all come to a good middle point on this...i think we all have the right ideas...if we can get them together...it might work out well.
State...where are you located? I might be getting a group of friends to hit up Sandy Hook soon. All around my age...some of them are even "dancers", so you know they are in good shape ;). If you'd like me to let you know when we're going...shoot me a PM. Maybe you'll feel comfortable with some people more like yourself around and then...might be a good place to start.
Hope that cleared some stuff up.
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StatePowerlifterChamp
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Posted - 06/24/2004 : 11:25:13 AM
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Hey there Ainny,
You didn't offend me or anybody in this forum..well I hope not lol. You are right that if we just stop it here on the middle point, and diversify our ideas a bit, the results will be inevitably impeccable for all of us, young and old alike with time or no time. When I first started this post, to my amazement I was pretty much ganged up regarding my ideas, I thought that everybody woould agree with me, and I could enchance the nudist experience for all of us, young and old alike. I believe I can still promote healthy naturist fitness to those who have the time and are interested. Anyways, I had an excellent experience with this message board, and I had a well-devoted spiritual conversation with all of you. many of you gave me some points I never had really thought of (such as people being busy all of the time, old age being inevtiable ETC) and I thank you all for that. I'll be hanging around this message board for some time, posting new topics from time to time and stuff. Ainny, Ill shoot you a pm regarding Gunnison beach. Thanks all and stay healthy!
Regards,
Dexter
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