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| Digital_Cowboy |
Posted - 10/21/2014 : 6:45:04 PM
Here is a VERY good question for everyone here. In another thread we’ve had it recommended that people keep for want of a better word a “go bag” in their car(s), garage, or outside shed. In case of an emergency, so that IF (and hopefully that’ll never come to pass) they find themselves the victim of some sort of disaster/catastrophe they have some clothes to put on while waiting for first responders to show up.
My question is this, what if anything would be the legal ramifications if a person under said conditions was outside nude? Could they be ticketed/arrested? Another question along these lines, as we know many people even non-nudists sleep in the nude. And as anyone who has a TV set knows there are a LOT of people who have problems sleeping at night.
What would happen legally if a person “woke up” in “middle of the night” and suffered a bout of sleepwalking? I’m sure that we’ve all heard about people having sex while they slept, talking in their sleep, I think that even on some VERY rare occasions I have heard of people sleep driving. So what would the legal ramifications be if a person while sleepwalking left their home and was “out and about” while nude and sleep walking?
Live Long and Prosper
Herman |
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| FireProf |
Posted - 11/22/2014 : 08:19:31 AM
The mind has stayed young and willing. The body isn't keeping up. I love the idea of travel and I loved to teach, train and share all my knowledge. I was never one to keep all I'd learned, to myself, and it always paid off when I had lists of guys wanting to work with me and for me.
I like your idea but in all seriousness, probably wouldn't work. Macho guys, like firemen, don't want to admit that they have issues with nudity and for far too many ... nudity equals sex. Dealing with naked people, sick naked people, injured naked people ... made some of these guys focus more on body parts instead of the job at hand. Their way of dealing with it ... jokes. All was fun and games, on scene, til we got back to the fire house and they had to deal with the wrath of the nudist Captain. Never yelled or got angry but my approach to educating them, made them feel idiotic and that's another thing firemen hate! hahaha No one would sign up for my class!!! hahahahaha
What I did teach them was to treat everyone ... EVERYONE ... with respect and that meant that you preserved one's dignity if they were in a compromising position, situation and/or nude. I mentioned before about responding to high rise apartment house fires and coming upon the scene to find a nude man, woman, couple ... I was amazed at how many people just stood there looking at these people instead of offering help or something to put on. Several times, as I stated, I either put my coat or jacket on them but most times, put them in the fire engine or paramedic truck until other help arrived with clothes. I think I instilled that with my guys and many of them that have gone on to become Captains, themselves, have taken some of those things I taught them and are continuing that process of using those teachings and teaching their subordinates.
I sometimes miss the job. I miss the guys much more. We worked hard but had fun at work and they were family. Luckily, I still see many of them from time to time and I even see several of the guys from my old crew, that are still working. After they tell me about many of the changes that have happened since I retired ... I'm glad I'm retired! hahaha
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 11/22/2014 : 05:13:42 AM
Maybe you could train, around the country, nudist-friendly medical responders. That way, you could make some money, take tax deductions for trips to different nudist resorts (near where the training takes places, of course), and develop responders who will be fine with nudists. It's a win-win-win situation.
Also, you could insist that responders carry hospital gowns for the ill person, so when they arrive the hospital, they'll have dignity, and they'll be suited up for emergency surgery, or a hospital bed.
Just looking out for you, and being creative. That's how good ideas get started - seeing where the need is, or where the nude is.
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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| FireProf |
Posted - 11/12/2014 : 12:24:57 PM
hahahaha ... Thanks Warmskin!
Regrettably ... since I'm now retired, all you can hope for is that one of my guys, I trained, shows up. I had several crews under my supervision in my 13 years as a Captain. With the last few ... I was able to really get them to understand and accept nudity. But that never kept them from asking for my assistance when we were confronted with a patient that was naked. Young, middle aged or elderly ... when we encountered a nude person, male or female, I was always looked at to assist. I'd usually get told something like ... "hey Cap, we got one of your people here." That always alerted me that we had a naked person to contend with.
Exposed breasts never seemed to bother many of the guys but nudity below the waist ... I was astonished at some of the younger firefighters reactions. My last 7 years on the job ... I had, what I'd refer to as, my dream teams. Mature guys, open minded, hard working and never needing direction on what I expected of them and what needed to be done. I don't know that I converted anyone but they all became much more confident, professional and able to do the tasks I trained them to do ... even with the "nakeds" as they called them.
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 11/10/2014 : 02:31:08 AM
It gets complicated! is there a lawyer in the house?
I remember doing a lot of nude hiking in the Sierra Nevada, and always carried a little bit of clothing with me - swimsuit and tee shirt (not the tall swimsuits that are popular today). If I saw someone, the clothes went on immediately. Only once did I need to put them on, but I was glad I had them.
The Go Bag seems simple and useful, and I'd certainly use it. You might fall over or get very ill, and it would be better, in my mind, if you could put those emergency clothes on, things would go better and more conveniently for you, is you're waiting for an ambulance. But then, I'm more sensitive as to how I'm perceived.
What if you became very ill, suddenly, at a nudist resort? A bag that had your clothes nearby might come in handy. If you were passed out, maybe some good Samaritans could put your clothes on you, before the paramedics arrived. If you're lucky, FireProf will arrive on the scene first!!
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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| Digital_Cowboy |
Posted - 10/27/2014 : 3:28:19 PM
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Originally posted by Warmskin
I think most good cops would cut the nude sleepwalker of driver some slack, after there was a reasonable explanation of what the “offenders” proclivities are.
It might go to court if the police are not amenable to the offender’s situation. I can’t see this as a real problem, although it might be embarrassing.
You’d have to take preventative measures to make sure you can’t sleepwalk out of your bedroom.
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
Warmskin,
I would hope that as you said that an officer would cut a nude sleepwalker some slack, but I don’t think that it would be unreasonable to ask for some sort of proof that they’re a sleepwalker.
It might go to court even if the LEO is amenable, as even though it is possible I would have to think that it is still a low possibility. And again, they’d want some sort of proof that the person in question really did “suffer” from sleepwalking.
Or out of your home, just leaving one’s bedroom nude isn’t the problem. Sadly, here in the USA even though there really are no laws banning public nudity more often then not it gets lumped under the heading of “indecent exposure.” Which ironically depending on the jurisdiction a man can be totally clothed and still end up getting “pinched” under that IF they are in a “turgid” state
Live Long and Prosper
Herman |
| Warmskin |
Posted - 10/27/2014 : 12:02:33 AM
I think most good cops would cut the nude sleepwalker of driver some slack, after there was a reasonable explanation of what the "offenders" proclivities are.
It might go to court if the police are not amenable to the offender's situation. I can't see this as a real problem, although it might be embarrassing.
You'd have to take preventative measures to make sure you can't sleepwalk out of your bedroom.
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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| Digital_Cowboy |
Posted - 10/26/2014 : 9:16:20 PM
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Originally posted by Diger
The thought of you pulling a cat out from under the bed is to funny. Thank God for the safety gear.
While reading this thread, one problem for us nudist I was thinking about is not, remembering the emergency clothes, but remembering we are naked. I believe some of us would be out he door, me included, without even thinking about not having clothes on.
Diger
Diger,
This is true, many a time I have logged so many hours nude that I have to stop and think about whether or not I’m wearing clothes before stepping outside.
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Originally posted by Nude in AK
I agree, a lot of us, give not a thought about being nude!
NiA,
This is so true.
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Originally posted by FireProf
I truly think you’d be surprised at what you’ll remember and what you’ll want to grab before you exit the house. Almost ALL people I’ve interviewed have stated that they’ve taken an extra few seconds to grab this, do that ... before heading out the door. My sincere hope is that none of you experience an emergency, like that, to prove my point!
Loves being naked. Plays well with others!
Fire,
Sadly, I don’t think that it would. I was a medic when I was in the Army, so I know how irrational people can be during times of stress.
I fully second your sentiment, I sincerely hope that NONE here ever experience that kind of emergency.
Live Long and Prosper
Herman |
| Digital_Cowboy |
Posted - 10/26/2014 : 9:06:23 PM
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Originally posted by FireProf
Sadly ... most of the people I pulled, dead, from a burning house, went back in for a pet. The pets have done either of two things. 1) escaped out a door, window ... something, and are long gone because they were scared. Or ... 2) have hidden under a bed until they’ve died from smoke inhalation. I’m a pet lover but not at the expense of one’s own life.
...and I’ve saved my share of pets ... dogs, cats, hamsters, rabbits, birds and fish ... in my 32 years. Cats are the worse. Always thankful to have that thick jacket on when pulling cat out from under a bed or piece of furniture. They don’t take too kindly to firefighters in full firefighting gear!
Loves being naked. Plays well with others!
Fire,
My pets, are the only things that I’d either go back or stay in for. I have a male Normal Grey Cockatiel, a female black DSH cat, and a G. rosea tarantula.
Yeah, I can imagine that, Deanna, my DSH is fully armed, and she’d probably wouldn’t be too happy at being pulled by someone in full firefighting equipment.
Live Long and Prosper
Herman |
| FireProf |
Posted - 10/25/2014 : 5:32:58 PM
I truly think you'd be surprised at what you'll remember and what you'll want to grab before you exit the house. Almost ALL people I've interviewed have stated that they've taken an extra few seconds to grab this, do that ... before heading out the door. My sincere hope is that none of you experience an emergency, like that, to prove my point!
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| Nude in AK |
Posted - 10/25/2014 : 1:32:45 PM
I agree, a lot of us, give not a thought about being nude!
quote:
Originally posted by Diger
The thought of you pulling a cat out from under the bed is to funny. Thank God for the safety gear.
While reading this thread, one problem for us nudist I was thinking about is not, remembering the emergency clothes, but remembering we are naked. I believe some of us would be out he door, me included, without even thinking about not having clothes on.
Diger
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| Diger |
Posted - 10/24/2014 : 8:09:50 PM
The thought of you pulling a cat out from under the bed is to funny. Thank God for the safety gear.
While reading this thread, one problem for us nudist I was thinking about is not, remembering the emergency clothes, but remembering we are naked. I believe some of us would be out he door, me included, without even thinking about not having clothes on.
Diger |
| FireProf |
Posted - 10/24/2014 : 01:16:25 AM
Sadly ... most of the people I pulled, dead, from a burning house, went back in for a pet. The pets have done either of two things. 1) escaped out a door, window ... something, and are long gone because they were scared. Or ... 2) have hidden under a bed until they've died from smoke inhalation. I'm a pet lover but not at the expense of one's own life.
...and I've saved my share of pets ... dogs, cats, hamsters, rabbits, birds and fish ... in my 32 years. Cats are the worse. Always thankful to have that thick jacket on when pulling cat out from under a bed or piece of furniture. They don't take too kindly to firefighters in full firefighting gear!
Loves being naked. Plays well with others! |
| Digital_Cowboy |
Posted - 10/23/2014 : 5:41:10 PM
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Originally posted by FireProf
In all cases ... there are exceptions to the “rule.” The rule being ... common sense. Just because a department gives you a badge doesn’t necessarily mean you deserve to wear it. It doesn’t automatically give you the respect you think you deserve ... you must work for and earn that respect. One of the many reasons firefighters are looked at, at much higher esteem and regard than cops. Firefighters help people. People think of Cops in this respect; always give you a ticket, pull you over and give you lectures, got nothing better to do than stop me for something so insignificant, go find some real criminals ... it’s all bad with a cop ... that’s the perception. It’s not ALL cops, it’s some or probably only a few that are like that. The thing to remember is that ... just because they are cops and wear a badge and write you a citation ... that’s not the end all. FIGHT the damn ticket, if you feel the ticket is unjustified. There’s only one way to get these types of cops to stop bullying people and hide behind their badges ... make them explain themselves in court!
Agreed, fortunately in my case no citation was ever issued. Although I had to laugh at the FHP officer, even though he didn’t take any information from me only issued a verbal warning to include ordering me onto the sidewalk he tried to tell me that IF I was caught in the road again that I could be arrested. What he didn’t know is that I am friends with the St. Pete bicycle and pedestrian safety coordinator, I am also friends with a Cycling Savvy instructor, and I know a lawyer who practices traffic law with an eye towards how it applies to bicycles.
Also on my way home from the VA I crossed paths with a Pinellas County Sheriffs deputy and was able to flag him down and he had confirmed for me that none of the things that he had told me was true. So I asked him if I could get back into the lane where I felt safer, and he said yes. I shook his hands and resumed my travel in the travel lane.
I agree with you that the only way to get the bad cops off of the force is to stand up to them and make them answer for their actions in court. But sadly it seems like in most cases the deck is stacked against us cyclists. As we’re about the only group that has to explain why we were driving our vehicle where we were. There’s just a case going on currently in Ky. And I remember a few years ago hearing about a mother somewhere in that same general area who allowed her daughter to ride her bike to school and getting hammered in the local media for doing so.
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Originally posted by FireProfI just watched a clip on You Tube from an episode of the Graham Norton show. He was interviewing Kate Winslet and a few others. She was asked about an incident where she saved someone’s life in a fire. As Kate was telling the story about the incident she said ... “I told the children to get back in their rooms. I was heading down the hallway to get ??? out of her room but stopped by my room again to put on the bra. I then stopped and said ...”that will take too long, who cares ... there’s a fire. So I helped ??? out of the house braless.”
It’s these types of people that we encounter most. She thought to put on a bra. Many people will start to walk out and go back inside for a cell phone. People go back into homes that are involved with fire for some of the dumbest things. Most people don’t think ANYTHING is going to happen to them. I’ve witnessed what being prepared and not being prepared does to people. I chose not to put myself, my wife or my family in a situation where we are vulnerable, when we don’t have to be with very little preparedness.
Loves being naked. Plays well with others!
It’s amazing what people will worry about when they should be focused on their safety. I’m sure I don’t have to tell you that too many lives have been lost because some “ninny, just had to go back into a burning house” and “had to get their cell phone, or what have you.” Most things, pictures and the like aside can be replaced. Life on the other hand cannot be replaced. And even pictures are NOT worth someone risking their life to get them.
And it is even scarier how many people do not have some sort of plan in case of an emergency.
Live Long and Prosper
Herman |
| FireProf |
Posted - 10/23/2014 : 2:02:54 PM
In all cases ... there are exceptions to the "rule." The rule being ... common sense. Just because a department gives you a badge doesn't necessarily mean you deserve to wear it. It doesn't automatically give you the respect you think you deserve ... you must work for and earn that respect. One of the many reasons firefighters are looked at, at much higher esteem and regard than cops. Firefighters help people. People think of Cops in this respect; always give you a ticket, pull you over and give you lectures, got nothing better to do than stop me for something so insignificant, go find some real criminals ... it's all bad with a cop ... that's the perception. It's not ALL cops, it's some or probably only a few that are like that. The thing to remember is that ... just because they are cops and wear a badge and write you a citation ... that's not the end all. FIGHT the damn ticket, if you feel the ticket is unjustified. There's only one way to get these types of cops to stop bullying people and hide behind their badges ... make them explain themselves in court!
I just watched a clip on You Tube from an episode of the Graham Norton show. He was interviewing Kate Winslet and a few others. She was asked about an incident where she saved someone's life in a fire. As Kate was telling the story about the incident she said ... "I told the children to get back in their rooms. I was heading down the hallway to get ??? out of her room but stopped by my room again to put on the bra. I then stopped and said ..."that will take too long, who cares ... there's a fire. So I helped ??? out of the house braless."
It's these types of people that we encounter most. She thought to put on a bra. Many people will start to walk out and go back inside for a cell phone. People go back into homes that are involved with fire for some of the dumbest things. Most people don't think ANYTHING is going to happen to them. I've witnessed what being prepared and not being prepared does to people. I chose not to put myself, my wife or my family in a situation where we are vulnerable, when we don't have to be with very little preparedness.
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| Digital_Cowboy |
Posted - 10/23/2014 : 11:16:31 AM
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Originally posted by FireProf
Unless a cop is on scene prior to fire dept arrival, which has been the case sometimes, he/she had better be giving the victim shelter and provide comfort, instead of writing out a ticket. He’d have hell to pay from his superiors and from me as the Fire Scene Commander. His first duty is the health and well being for that person. He can “question” why that person was outside naked but to cite them for it ... I’d testify in the naked person’s behalf against any cop citing a person naked after being displaced by an emergency.
That being said ...
I’ve worked many different areas of Southern California and have only dealt with California Highway Patrol, LA County, Ventura County, Riverside County, Orange County and San Bernadino County Sheriffs, most all of the smaller city police departments and LAPD. I’ve never seen or heard of either of these Law Enforcement departments ever mistreating or citing a naked person that was displaced because of an emergency.
I’m being facetious but ... being naked outside your home because of fire, earthquake or other disaster/ emergency is a bit different than trying to sell the story to a cop that you saw a spider and got scared and ran out of your house naked. There’s just another good reason to have a robe and slippers, tennis shoes, flip flops, ... something by your bed should you have to vacate quickly in an emergency.
I get those arguments on the other thread but ... I would challenge anyone to question or match my/our commitment to nudism, to being nudists just because we keep a robe and flip flops/slippers at the end of our bed each night ... just in case. I/we don’t have to run out of the house naked to prove that.
Loves being naked. Plays well with others!
Fire,
I completely and totally agree with you that the first first responder on the scene had better concern themselves with the well being of the displaced and NOT what they are or aren’t wearing.
That being said, though not only myself, but other cyclists have had encounters with LEOs who were so anal about what they “thought” was the law or what they thought was a “dangerous” situation in their mind. I refer to the Selz v Trotwood situation. In which a female officer thought that because it was “dangerous” in her mind for a cyclist to be on a particular road that she cited Mr. Selz for it. Myself about a decade or so ago as I was coming home from a free concert in downtown St. Pete I was pulled over by an off duty homicide traffic officer who started out with, “you and your clubs need to learn. . .” trailing off and switching to “I’m sick and tired of cleaning up your brains.” Then more recently I encountered a FHP officer who was misinformed as to what Fl law does and doesn’t say.
I’ve also have read plenty of first hand accounts from cyclists where after being involved in a crash with a motorist that their first encounter with a LEO is while they’re laid up in the hospital recovering from their injury/ies. And the LEO is there to issue them a ticket, NOT to get their side of what happened. So while I agree with you that in the case of fire or similar disaster that the LEOs on the scene need to concern themselves with the well being of the displaced/victim that sadly there are all types of LEOs out there and not all of them should be LEOs.
Again, I agree with you that one who discovers a “big ugly” spider or snake or what have you in their home is sadly going to have a hard time convincing either a LEO or a court that they were “scared” and “had” to leave their home nude.
I agree with you that just because one keeps a robe, or a towel, or a pair of shorts near the bed or by the front/backdoor in case of emergency doesn’t make them less of a nudist. It is the smart/prudent thing to do. The only “downside” that I can see is that most average people are likely to panic to one degree or another in those situation and are likely to “forget” that they have such things on hand in case of an emergency. |
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