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| sailawaybob |
Posted - 12/10/2011 : 7:17:34 PM
i like to read the nudist news which is on the toolbar of this site for the newest nude news and see several stories on police investigation relating to child pornography and photos being taken at nudist gatherings, so is this a new crackdown or have i missed something in the stories as nudist children have been printed in nudist books, magazines and even movies and is this something parents need to start worrying about. i know the government has gotten to politically correct but unless it put in sexual context there is nothing wrong with plain nudism but will parents be willing to chance it. |
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| nudewithfriends |
Posted - 02/19/2012 : 01:09:58 AM
Actually, as a criminal prosecutor, I have worked with ICE on child porn cases, and I can tell you that there IS a definition. I can also tell you that the world of child porn contains images and videos of things you do not want to even imagine.
Bottom line: typical nudist images of kids of any age are generally not considered pornographic under federal law.
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 02/18/2012 : 8:49:53 PM
There is a fine line between photographing nude children at play, and nude children being photographed for sexual thrills.
If a photo is taken of a child in the average nudist resort or outing in the wilderness, I don't see any problem with it. However, if any shades of sexuality are admixed with a photo of a nude child, then I think that activity is exploitive and reprehensible.
E.g., if nude child is playing with his/her toys next to a lake, where the parents are there, too, that is natural. If a nude child is photographed next to people engaged in sex, that should be a crime.
What about a nude child in the same photo with the parents kissing in the nude? Or what about a nude child in the same photo when deal old dad is groping dear old mom in a sexual way, without the child seeing that activity? That gets into a gray area, and is open to discussion, interpretation, and judgment.
As Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart said, in paraphrasing, I can't define pornography, but I know it when I see it.
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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| Bob Knows |
Posted - 02/16/2012 : 12:15:04 PM
I agree with davet73. The hysteria (a well gendered term) about "child pornography" is part of an anti-men hate program. It almost never alleges any actual harm to any child. Even computer generated faux children are now "victims" to entrap and destroy men. Sham on the hate mongers. Shame on the blue shirts, black ties, and black robes who use hate to destroy men.
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| davet73 |
Posted - 02/15/2012 : 4:39:26 PM
I mean, all of this talk about child pornography is BS. I think the courts have already rules on this with trueteenbabes.com about what is and what isn't pornography. |
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Posted - 02/15/2012 : 09:55:03 AM
Just recently a Canadian National sweep of child porn sites, users, and victums netted 60 arrests and confiscation of computers and materials sexually exploiting children, visiting these sites predators and those with a sick desire to have sex with children seem to think their actions are not harmfull, what a wake up call.
Personel possession of one's nudist's family photo's would not be considered porn in their possession .
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| sailawaybob |
Posted - 02/03/2012 : 10:21:04 PM
i'm just glad my kids are adults i remember back in the 80's our club was taking pictures for N magazine and snapped some of us and the kids with our permission but today i don't think i would allow it just because of all the idiots infringing on our lives. and yes those into wrongful abuse of kids abusing kids - lock them up throw away the keys but healthy nudism especially for the kids i see no problem. i wonder how nudist parents dealt with it back in the 40's thru the 60's. |
| lookatme |
Posted - 01/31/2012 : 02:16:31 AM
I think that BY FAR, the biggest problem is that the concept of what we tend to call a child needs an upgrade ASAP.
I would never call a child, a (let's just say, 13-14 years old) teenager whose nude body looks just like he/she is 18 or has the sufficient physical/sexual features to be considered "sexy". So, I wouldn't have a problem with "adults" looking at such in a sexual way. |
| Warmskin |
Posted - 01/22/2012 : 02:13:09 AM
There is a wide spectrum of interpretations of photos of nude children. If the government must intervene, again and again, let it be wise enough to discern the difference between sexually exploitive photos and innocent nudist family photos. But, then I'm asking too much - for the gov't to use wisdom. When is the last time they used wisdom in anything?
Maybe if nudist signed a paper that stated it was alright for their childrn to be photographed nude. Even then, the parents would have to be members of a nudist resort and would have to have passed the Megan Law test. That should shut up the gov't.
A government that depends on the right person being in office is a lousy government. It should be that no matter who is in office, enough checks and balances would be in place to inflict reason and rationality onto situations that come to the fore. That is the advantage of organic American gov't - it is not easy to pass laws, or theoretically, a president should have a rough time conflicting with Congress.
The main flaw in that is if a complicity of corrrupt politicians abuse their powers, the whole systems crashes, as America is now.
As for nude children, they are legend, nude in so many different ways, and not from trying to get away with something, but they're nude just because they want to be.
Perhaps known nudist organizations can pow-wow with govenment and get them to know the difference between sexual exploitation and innocent parent-approved photos. Educating the gov't is the key.
“I rise early almost every morning and sit in my chamber, without any clothes whatever, half an hour or an hour, according to the season, either reading or writing.”
Ben Franklin
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| go n nude |
Posted - 01/08/2012 : 07:02:08 AM
This crackdown is not something new at all, child porn is a serious problem indeed. Images of innocent nudist children have been found downloaded, uploaded, sold, bought and published and who knows what else by some sick people out there, and one risks serious trouble possessing images of nude children by the law. Back in the 80's, the ASA now called the AANR stopped publishing images of children in their monthly Bulletin for this reason of being seen as porn by the law. Innocent images to some, porn to others unfortunately.
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| Bob Knows |
Posted - 12/30/2011 : 3:46:14 PM
The Witch Hunt for "child abuse" has destroyed far more lives than the medieval witch hunts ever did, and in a much shorter time period. Minding everyone else's sex lives is a serious psychosis. Government tyranny is the real evil. |
| nudewalker |
Posted - 12/30/2011 : 11:38:31 AM
Maybe I'm too close to the situation, that is living close to the area, but ever since the Penn State scandal broke it seems that everyone is looking at situations involving children with suspicion. My fear is a witch hunt of sorts as it now seems that a local AAU coach is under an indictment. Not that I condone any child abuse in any way but a statement made by a child in innocence could make life miserable for the parents.
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| Diger |
Posted - 12/19/2011 : 3:24:45 PM
Some times their like Congressman Foley, sponsoring a child pornography bill to cover his own addiction to it.
Diger |
| Bob Knows |
Posted - 12/18/2011 : 7:39:29 PM
Whenever anyone in government says, "for the children" it means he is taking away your human rights. |
| NaturistDoc |
Posted - 12/18/2011 : 2:21:02 PM
It was ever thus, from the Alien and Sedition Acts to the PATRIOT Act. In 1861 Abraham Lincoln abolished habeas corpus and had a number of his political opponents arrested. In the 1940s, Japanese-Americans were unconstitutionally locked up in what were essentially concentration camps. Next came the Red Scare, the War on Drugs, and most recently the War on Terror. Now, no one would dispute that the Confederacy, the Empire of Japan, the USSR, the drug cartels, and Al Qaeda were/are threats to the US. But it is useful for political leaders to exaggerate the internal threats. At the least, it allows one to disparage one's political opponents ("soft on Communism", "weak on crime", "coddling terrorists", etc.) At worst, it serves as a pretext to limit civil rights and access to the courts. Our best hope (albeit a slim one) is a courageous and fiercely independent judiciary. |
| Taxman |
Posted - 12/17/2011 : 4:07:07 PM
[quote]Originally posted by Bob Knows
I agree with Sailawaybob. The government today is far beyond any rational reason for their existence. Its more police state than servant of the people. We live our lives under police state license from our birth in a state licensed facility attended by state licensed doctors and nurses to our burial in a state licensed cemetery by a state licensed undertaker. Any time a police state goon uses the excuse "for the children" they are violating the fundamental rights of people who's ancestors were once free men. The government has way too much control of our lives.
I think we only need to look in the mirror and see how we got to this state.
Having done college at the end of the Vietnam war, as a group, we tended to protest what ever we felt was not right.
Move forward, what did we do to our children?
My own kids are no exception.
To this day, they still do not really find fault with the legal drinking age being twenty one while at the same time eighteen being the legal definition of an adult.
You know, one that can now be drafted/enlist and die for the country. Not to be overlooked, vote for the man who controls the nuclear arms of our country.
I think one to many parents (suspect really the moms) went with that win win crap when it came to kids competing and learning.
On top of this, there are to many of what they call helicopter parents while the kids are in college.
When are the kids going to get out, learn, experience and make their own decisions?
On a more serious note at least for me, it came to light how far things had gotten off track while doing my annual professional continuing education during the 1990's. The degree of erosion to our basic rights came to light during an update of rules.
All loss of basic rights was done in the name of fighting money laundering and drugs.
Move to today and it is has only gotten worst. We are approaching the point where it is all but a crime to have any kind of large cash amounts on our person.
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