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Posted - 08/17/2008 : 4:30:36 PM
The space channel aired a segment today called ,The top Ten ufo sightings in US history and why is everybody quick to say it never happened? From shuttle pilots to Presidents who claim to have witness to this phenomena or its nonexsistance according to the powers to be. Even USAF claimed at one time to have encountered extraterrestrial ships but after a debriefing that didn't happen? If one were to encounter this type of event, who'd beleive it? and they don't exsist? One would be hallucinating or worse mentally ill. Some will never tell due to this fear of ridicule. Seeing things that don't exsist could get one commited.
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Posted - 10/15/2008 : 11:38:31 AM
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Originally posted by PABiker
I believe that with the vastness of space and all that exists within it the likelyhood is that life exists elswhere. I also believe that if a species exists capable of travel throughout the universe then they must be of a significantly higher intelligence. If, therefore, they posess this level of intelligence I doubt they would visit Earth outside of scientific curiosity and study. In the AAA book of space we must be the Newark NJ of the universe. With the constant fighting between nations and the crime in the streets, why would a intelligent creature visit here? We have a planet full of beauty, but it's definitely "visit at your own risk".
I agree 100%, there have been 000's sightings and their in your face visit could be their last, National Defence would probally shoot them down Quick, and we'd still be wondering if they exsist. Those who have seen actual UFO craft say they were told they didn't see anything. That will keep everyone happy !The Goverment wouldn't LIE ,God Forbid! In God They Trust.
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| old hippie |
Posted - 09/23/2008 : 11:03:46 AM
I don't think anyone, even the most fervent seeker of E-T contact, would claim that the Drake equation is any more than a means to organize the discussion, with perhaps a reasonable estimate of a value for N, maybe valid within an order of magnitude (or so).
. Whether the actual count is hundreds or pairs, it seems reasonable to me to accept the likelihood that there is another civilization somewhere. That does NOT extend to a suggestion that there is any discernible probability that two of these cultures would ever meet, much less that this planet has been the locale of multiple mysterious visits.
I still maintain that "unidentified" means we don't know what it was, and the least likely answer should not be the first suggestion.
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Posted - 09/23/2008 : 04:25:06 AM
Facts they don't want to hear about. An x veteran of SAC in USAF who encountered a close up ufo experience says he was told he didn't see anything or do anything. He is not alone many have had such an experience and yes they were told too! They don't exsist. Much to their surprise it wasn't fiction they saw. Something out of this world not likely. Where/Who/Why is one we may never know!
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| abstract |
Posted - 09/23/2008 : 01:42:22 AM
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It was over forty years ago that I first read, in one of Issac Asimov's articles, about the Drake Equation. It factors in such variables as the estimated number of stars in our galaxy, the age of a solar system, the length of time for a life form to develop into a technical civilization, the estimated age of the universe, and so on. Drake determined that there was a realistic probability ( I can't recall the exact figure) of another civilization in the universe.
The "Drake Equation" looks pretty, but to me it's complete nonsense. He takes a number of factors, few (if any) of which are known, and multiplies them together to "calculate" the number of civilizations in the universe.
It's pretty much the same as doing this: The number (N) of civilizations in the universe is given by the formula N=L+R, where L is the number of civilizations in the left half of the universe, and R is the number of civilizations in the right half of the universe. Plug in your guesses for L and R, and you've got your answer!
http://www.csicop.org/si/2006-03/cosmos.html
"The Drake Equation is simply a way to organize our ignorance in order to permit rational discussion. R* is the only factor in this so-called equation that has any current observational bounds..."
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| old hippie |
Posted - 09/22/2008 : 4:59:57 PM
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Originally posted by PABiker
I believe that with the vastness of space and all that exists within it the likelyhood is that life exists elswhere. I also believe that if a species exists capable of travel throughout the universe then they must be of a significantly higher intelligence.
. . It was over forty years ago that I first read, in one of Issac Asimov's articles, about the Drake Equation. It factors in such variables as the estimated number of stars in our galaxy, the age of a solar system, the length of time for a life form to develop into a technical civilization, the estimated age of the universe, and so on. Drake determined that there was a realistic probability ( I can't recall the exact figure) of another civilization in the universe.
If one accepts the suppositions of the Drake Equation (reasonable), then the conclusion is also reasonable that there will be some form of life somewhere else in the universe. But the only real requirement for interstellar travel would be technical ability, not intelligence. We have come quite a long ways in the former (over some millenia) but I'd still have to agree with Biker's assessment of the median level of human intelligence - at least as displayed in national behaviors.
....Given enough time, it is likely that Earthlings will also develop some sort of galactic travel; I don't think that necessarily implies that our social behavior will be any better. I would hope so, but I won't give you long odds on it.
. . . . Chances are, a century or so from now, we will still find petty things to squabble over.
As for me, I'll adjourn to the beach and wait in the sun, with a drink in my hand, for the LGM to arrive. I wonder if they will wear uniforms? Or is their Tardis climate-controlled?
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| rooftopwilly |
Posted - 09/20/2008 : 11:57:59 PM
i totally agree pabiker.
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| PABiker |
Posted - 09/20/2008 : 9:44:59 PM
I believe that with the vastness of space and all that exists within it the likelyhood is that life exists elswhere. I also believe that if a species exists capable of travel throughout the universe then they must be of a significantly higher intelligence. If, therefore, they posess this level of intelligence I doubt they would visit Earth outside of scientific curiosity and study. In the AAA book of space we must be the Newark NJ of the universe. With the constant fighting between nations and the crime in the streets, why would a intelligent creature visit here? We have a planet full of beauty, but it's definitely "visit at your own risk".
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Posted - 09/20/2008 : 1:03:47 PM
The truth is one thing thats missing from all the facts/fiction,they don't exsist even before sightings are reported, the rule of thumb is not be fact but truely fiction. Why would many too numerous to mention, for centuries claim to have encountered ufo's ,when or where we do,we can rest assured they don't exsist,we were imagineing or intoxicated or worse silly and you won't be taken serious until the truth is before all eyes, even though they don't exsist, they say/claim because they know beyond a doubt its fiction regardless of facts or truism. Who's telling the truth? Or wants to hear the truth? maybe not who knows? they aren't buying the story at all guaranteed Truth.
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| Ranger191 |
Posted - 09/17/2008 : 1:50:13 PM
For the most part, I think most of the sightings are everyday objects taken out of context. By most, I mean 99.9% so 'almost all'. Its that 0.1% that I find interesting and 'unidentified'.
Having said that, it's a big universe out there and (if you believe one physics theory) its 16 big universes out there. Considering the abundance of life found on this planet and the constant surprising places that life is found (Antartica-below the ice, volcano vents in the ocean, etc) it seems unrealistic that Earth represents the sum total of life, intelligent or otherwise, in our universe.
While its fun to think that there are 'Ford Prefects' out there with their thumbs out catching rides from one galaxy to another, I find it surprising that there is so little actual evidence. Pictures only? No materials at all? Not one alien got scratched while on vacation and left some blood somewhere? Surely some alien has the bad taste to have the interstellar equivalent to purple velour tassles banging around the windshield with the fuzzy dice...these things break and fall out... |
| nudeisntlewd |
Posted - 08/24/2008 : 5:31:04 PM
old hippie,
Your reasoning is impeccable! Let's consider the more likely before assuming the fantastic.
And I applaud your pointing out what I meant to, but forgot to say: UFO means Unidentified Flying Object, not interstellar craft.
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| old hippie |
Posted - 08/24/2008 : 4:53:56 PM
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Originally posted by go n nude
Are we that gullible to think other forms of life from who know where?? exsist or don't when the rule of thumb is they don't, regardless of the evidance.
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Ah, that pesky evidence matter. As sfxtd pointed out in the original response to this topic, it is not a matter for evidence to be presented against the UFO being extra-terrestrial; rather, logic demands that evidence must be presented to demonstrate that the phenomenon is from elsewhere. But the simplest, and therefore preferable, explanation is that the sighting is some terrestrial object which has not yet been identified. Remember, the initials stand for unidentified flying object. That means we don't know what it is. It would be a huge leap to assume then that this <we-don't-know-what> must therefore be a space vehicle from another galaxy. That would rather be the least likely explanation.
If you see a person on the street whose identity you don't know, would it be rational to assume that this person is the long-lost emperor of Patagonia, whose amnesia has caused him to wash dished in Hell's Kitchen since October of 1998? Or is it simpler to suppose this is another guy walking down the street? Until there is actual evidence to support the less likely, we should rationally suppose the more likely.
I, for one, will continue to believe that UFO's are unidentified - and that means we do not have evidence to suppose they are from beyond this solar system.
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| nudeisntlewd |
Posted - 08/20/2008 : 06:20:03 AM
Not referring to UFOs, but referring back to my older post, the ape was proven to be a hoax. It was thawed and shown to be a rubber gorilla suit. The “carcass” was encased in a block of ice and sold to researchers for an undisclosed sum of money by two men who claimed to have found it. A hair sample was burned and "melted into a ball uncharacteristic of hair." The thawing process was sped up and the exposed head was found to be "unusually hollow in one small section." An hour of thawing later and the feet were exposed. They were made of rubber.
Matt Whitton, an officer who has been on medical leave from the Clayton County Police Department, and Rick Dyer, a former Georgia corrections officer, announced the find in early July on YouTube videos and a Web site. "Everyone who has talked down to us is going to eat their words," Whitton said at the time. (Paraphrase: You’ll give us your money, suckers.)
On Tuesday, Clayton County Police Chief Jeff Turner said he has not spoken to Whitton but processed paperwork to fire him.
"Once he perpetrated a fraud, that goes into his credibility and integrity," Turner said. "He has violated the duty of a police officer."
As far as I’m concerned, that’s exactly what it is, fraud. Just calling it a hoax is generous. The real mysteries here are: 1. How much did they cheat out of suckers with this fraud? And 2. How stupid are people? It was pretty obvious that they were lying from the start. Firing the cops was appropriate, but I think they should be in the prison that the one worked at, for grand theft. But freedom of speech means freedom to defraud, I guess.
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Posted - 08/20/2008 : 03:59:37 AM
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Originally posted by CMx2
I think the REAL question that everyone here wants to know is: "Do the little green men wear clothes?"
Good question indeed, what ever these beings are, probability suggests not likely . Of all Gods creations, its us who have covered ourselfs due to sin or shame, along time ago. And we still do. Those who've claimed to got up close, say no.
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| Quietman1951 |
Posted - 08/19/2008 : 11:19:39 AM
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Originally posted by CMx2
I think the REAL question that everyone here wants to know is: "Do the little green men wear clothes?"
CMx2;  You beat me to the punch line. I was going to make a similar post.
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| CMx2 |
Posted - 08/19/2008 : 02:18:56 AM
I think the REAL question that everyone here wants to know is: "Do the little green men wear clothes?"
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