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| swimminjim |
Posted - 08/04/2006 : 3:31:28 PM
Hi All, My name is Jim and I am really new to exploring and learning about nudism I have done a nude hike and other thatn that I have been practicing nudism mostly at home.I have a house that is in a very private area and that makes it easy for me. I am wondering what the ratio of women are to men in the real nudist community? |
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| LanceAt- - |
Posted - 01/15/2009 : 3:14:12 PM
To ROB g:
Rob, if you go to ANY AANR-affiliated resorts, you never have to worry about being hit upon by anybody, because security is tight there, and they are trained especially to be aware of exactly that happenstance.
In the very rare event that you should be hit upon, just tell security, and it's all over for the offender. Believe me.
The other points you brought up about labels are very good points and valid concerns, indeed.
A naturist education program is the key and the answer. AANR has the right idea, but they seem to lack the expertise to execute this kind of education to the general populace.
They are, however, diligently trying to do exactly that. They're learning. They'll get it right.
The resort I'm talking about building above will place a main priority on said education process.
Rob, just get to a resort, and really go for it, man! Once you do, you'll wonder, "Man, what took me so long?" Have fun in the sun, dude! God knows we all do who are members of this forum! You're one of us too, so go for it!
We salute you ahead of time! Go and be happy!
Peace. |
| ROB g |
Posted - 01/15/2009 : 09:40:00 AM
Your right lance. But here's a question that probably belongs on a new forum. We have all read about
women afraid of getting hit on and men afraid of the pervert lable. But what about men getting hit on by another man or women getting labled a whore? That's why I am like so many single people who are leary of going them selves. we tend to look at the cons more than the pros |
| LanceAt- - |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 9:41:30 PM
To ROB g:
You've got it, Rob. It's the old double-standard, and it's silly and wrong. Fortunately, that has changed a whole lot since the old days.
Hey, man, go for it, even if you have to go yourself. Anybody who thinks you're a pervert for doing so is not worth knowing anyway, right?
Take the plunge! Peace. |
| ROB g |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 9:33:12 PM
there are alot of great points here. being in my 40's. I can remember that if a girl was not afaid show her self she was labled a whore. but when guys did it they just said typical man. As far going to resorts
I have never been to one because I am afraid of being labled a pervert if I go alone. |
| LanceAt- - |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 9:08:35 PM
To All of You:
God, how I love my fellow naturists! Your comments are a joy to read. Briefly (Being brief and succinct is a challenge for a word guy like me!), all of you "get it!" Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Most resort owners, like most business owners everywhere, do not "get it." It's all about ... THE CUSTOMERS! Honestly, when was the last time a resort onwer really and truly asked you about your experience and was really interested in your reply? This future resort owner will be right there sunning and skinny-dipping and socializing with you. I am you, and you are me. I am one of you. Many resort owners, especially in "The Big Resorts," are increasingly just investors and are not naturists. A great resort onwer MUST be a passionate and committed naturist, agreed? How better to appreciate his (or her) resort customers?
Finally, - -Tom:
As ever, my friend, you're right on the money. Yes, that's right. You've got your facts straight for sure, and I commend you for it! I'd be glad to talk to you and yours sometime at - - ... when the weather warms up around May or so.
Peace, my naturist friends. I'm not kidding about building that resort I mentioned above. I would be THRILLED to have your input. After all, it's going to be YOUR resort. I sincerely want to design it to YOUR specifications, preferences and likes.
Tell me what you'd like to see there that is either missing elsewhere or is of insufficienty degree elsewhere.
I'm sitting here with eyes wide-opened (... and mouth really shut ... for a change!). Seriously, ... tell me.
May peace, love and happiness be yours ... really! Yes, I'm an old hippie ... but a responsible and successful one, man! |
| agde |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 2:45:04 PM
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honeysuckle ... It's all about good manners. Good manners are good manners, whether we're fully clothed or not.
honeysuckle... Why do you see the male/female ratio as a "problem"? Who is it a problem for? Isn't it ok to have activities that you do without your wives? Is it also a "problem" that men get together and watch football together? Or if women get together by themselves?
LanceAt- -... Women can, and often do, become the most passionate and committed nudists.
olwino1 Honeysuckle , back to your 1/10 posting... I think the answer is that the male female ratio would be equalized if women and men could simply watch football nude ! <grin>
Three parallel experiences last week got me thinking about the female comfort issue.
The first was with a well-known French entertainer. She likes living in Switzerland because, even when people recognize her, they are respectful and let her carry on with her normal daily life. She got started dropping in at the local naturist club during summer, she said, because it is a charming cosy park-like place with a nice pool. Because its private, it allows her to go swimsuitless without worry about photographers and she finds naturists invariably nice and impeccably polite. Her comments echoed Carole's point about manners.
The second was with a fashion model. She said she is enjoying being a member of a naturist club because she can relax since "people are just people" and respect the fact that she needs a break from work pressures to be constantly gorgeous and sexy. For her, the clothes-free time is an antidote to living up to gender stereotypes, so male-female ratios was a totally moot point since everyone was taking a break from stereotypes.
The third was with one of my university students. She was bemoaning this year's winter and longing to get back to the beach. But she said she had been really enjoying getting together with other women she'd met at our local naturist beach. The women of the naturist club that manages the beach evidently organize get-togethers during colder months to do things like demonstrate favourite recipes, go shopping followed by tea at someone's home, do presentations or invite informal speakers on some topic of interest, etc. Alas, olwino1, there didn't seem to be any mention of football watching.
Anyway, it first struck me, in terms of Lance's point about responding to the "women's market", that these women are just looking for space to be themselves. Female-male ratios didn't seem to be an issue if the correct social values were in place. Then it occurred to me that most women face a lot of personal, professional, or other gender/role pressures, and that naturism can provide not only a spectacular break from all that, but an opportunity actually to experience and enjoy living different norms. True for us men too, of course!
Maybe we don't mention this enough when "marketing" why naturism is so enjoyable. And it might help explain why "women can, and often do, become the most passionate and committed nudists" once they find out that such a haven actually exists. |
| CalTom |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 10:11:12 AM
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Originally posted by LanceAt- -
My wife and I are seriously thinking about starting our own C.O. resort that is especially American-women-friendly. There is one other guy and gal who have done this in California, with a small, cozy, intimate resort, and they're doing great. Way to go, you two! You two are true visionaries and trail-blazers! I salute you both!
Trouble is, at age 53, I'm too mellowed out! At my age, I wanna chill .... not be a C.O. real estate tycoon. I may do it anyway, though, because this whole issue drives me bonkers! Moreover, NOBODY in a position of influence in our lifestyle seems to want to listen.
Lance, did you know that Tom Mulhall and his wife Mary Clare listed their Palm Springs property, the Terra Cotta Inn, some time ago with a Coachella Valley agent? I recall that he said while they were quite content to continue to own and operate one of the highest rated resorts, he would entertain a sale "for the right price." Agreed this an age old cliche but the Terra Cotta Inn receives consistently favorable trip reviews and word-of-mouth recommendations, due in no small part to the contribution the Mulhalls have made to the nudist community.
Contrast that with what John and Elizabeth Young are going through with the nearby Desert Sun (the former Desert Shadows.) That project could be regarded as a Phoenix rising from the ashes of chaos. After the former owners attempted- according to online sources- to purchase the resort with smoke and mirrors, the Youngs are in the midst of a costly renovation beginning with the Chaparral hotel rooms, all in order to bring this bring this large first class nudist resort back to its original glory.
Be careful what you wish for.
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| n/a |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 09:53:31 AM
Ok by me :)
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| olwino1 |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 08:58:58 AM
Honeysuckle , back to your 1/10 posting... I think the answer is that the male female ratio would be equalized if women and men could simply watch football nude ! <grin> |
| HappyDaz |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 08:04:55 AM
Good points made by all. I also think that a comfort level is a factor. For folks who are members of a club or 'regulars' at a landed facility (no beaches in this state) and are surrounded by familiar faces, the safety concerns are greatly mitigated. I've noticed in the places we visit locally that most folks know each other and that wives, girlfriends don't give a second thought to visiting alone or with the kids. Cheers!
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| n/a |
Posted - 01/14/2009 : 12:45:31 AM
Thanks Lance ... I'm gonna pass your post on to my kids .. ;)
I don't know much about nude resorts, so I don't really have anything to say about the way they are marketed. I do, however, know something about the male-female dynamic, simply from being 40-something and having been around the block a few times. I'm no different from most of you in that regard.
Most women do not want to be nude in front of a bunch of strange men, however platonic the setting may be, and especially not by themselves. There are lots of reasons for this ... acquired modesty from the way they were raised, body acceptance issues, uneasiness about their safety, etc. Personally I've never had any problems at a nude beach, but I'm just saying that being naked with groups of men around is a situation that would set off alarm bells in the minds of most women.
Also, I think something else to keep in mind is that this is not a situation that is unique to nudist activities. There are plenty of clothed situations where men outnumber women, although a lot of times it's because women have been excluded and as attitudes change, there is more "competition" to get women involved. Maybe nude resorts can take a page from their book.
Warmskin, I don't think it's that men are more adventurous than women ... I think it's more a matter of the modesty and safety things. If you can ease women's concerns about those issues, then I'm sure many more of them will take off their clothes for you :)
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| LanceAt- - |
Posted - 01/13/2009 : 9:16:05 PM
To warmskin:
You're right on the money. You've hit the whole issue dead-on-target right here: It's usually guys dragging their gals to a resort to try it out.
In my opinion, ...
As I've so adamantly stated above, that is entirely because nobody that I've ever seen in this industry (and I've been around it for many years) really seems to have any idea how to SELL American women on trying out the C.O. Scene.
It's NOT that hard to do; it's really not.
My wife and I are seriously thinking about starting our own C.O. resort that is especially American-women-friendly. There is one other guy and gal who have done this in California, with a small, cozy, intimate resort, and they're doing great. Way to go, you two! You two are true visionaries and trail-blazers! I salute you both!
Actually, in my daydreams, I envision an American-women-friendly resort far surpassing - -. I know how to do the deal too. The biggest pool of money in the entire world (by far, believe me!) is in Europe. That's where I'd go to fund the deal. I know how to pitch the deal, fund it and promote it. Thereafter, become a marketing colossus and then deliver the goods with a resort that they just can't stop talking about ... to everybody they know. Can be done, y'all ... can be done.
Trouble is, at age 53, I'm too mellowed out! At my age, I wanna chill .... not be a C.O. real estate tycoon. I may do it anyway, though, because this whole issue drives me bonkers! Moreover, NOBODY in a position of influence in our lifestyle seems to want to listen.
Doggone it; I'm tired of talking! I'll SHOW them what I mean, how it's done and how simple it really and truly is!
The younger generations of nudists will benefit the most. Good for them! May they enjoy our lifestyle! By the way, our industry also does not seem to know how to appeal to the young that well either! That's another topic! Suffice it to say that understanding the market is the key. Anyway, ...
Women would drag their men to the resort(s) I envision! This much this crusted, C.O. old-timer can tell you: Women can, and often do, become the most passionate and committed nudists. I kid you not. This old fart (That's me!) has seen it many times.
Well, enough. I've said too much already.
Warmskin is right on. Way to say it, man. You're right on ... period.
Peace. |
| Warmskin |
Posted - 01/13/2009 : 6:45:26 PM
Maybe what the males are complaining about is that we men are waiting for the textile women to become more adventurous about trying nudity. It seems to be that it is the men who are trying to drag their wife or girlfriend to a resort or nude beach. Of course, there are exceptions. Maybe it's the nature of men -- to try it first -- yes, I know, with notable exceptions. Gotta watch my head in this joint!! 
Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."
Thomas Jefferson |
| LanceAt- - |
Posted - 01/13/2009 : 1:04:33 PM
To honeysuckle:
Great reply!
The only people who see it as a problem, unfortunately, are the only ones who can make life a hassle for an unaccompanied guy ...
THE RESORT OWNERS! THEY want a 1-to-1 balanced ratio, and I can understand that; however, you accomplish that with good marketing to ladies and NOT with unfair discrimination against guys.
From personal experience of nearly 30 years, I can tell you that being an unaccompanied (without a female companion) guy at a nudist resort is much like being black in The Deep South in the 1920s-1930s: God help you.
More on this some other time. People may be getting tired of my comments on this subject, so I'll lie low for now and cool it for a while.
But, you're right, honeysuckle, it is NOT a problem, but the resort owners think it is, and THEY control access to the resorts; hence, it IS a real problem, IF ... you're a guy!
Fortunately for you, you're not!
By the way, I love your comments on this forum. You've got it together. You're a very smart lady.
Peace. |
| n/a |
Posted - 01/12/2009 : 10:36:57 AM
Hi old hippie ... I'll be interested to see the results of her research :)
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