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Admin
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Posted - 07/09/2002 :  5:02:58 PM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Some organizations masquerade as legitimate nudist organizations, only to gain the opportunity to sell online photos of "nudists" of all ages. These operations make their money pandering to the voyeur, offering CDs, videos, and DVDs of "nudists". They are recognized by their upfront offer of a "huge nudist gallery" which features, naturally, nude children of all ages.


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IslandGirl
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Now thats really disturbing. Its like they are profiting from nudity. How can you tell if they are legitimate? I suppose one clue would be if they make you pay to view the site. What other clues can one look for?




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Marked4Life
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Now tell me, what do you consider to be a "legal" nude photo and an "illegal" nude photo..I group it all as pornography. I would really like to know what you classify as ok. In the Bible it clearly states that man should take up clothing. Adam was made aware of his nakedness and took up clothing. He was ashamed...




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Cheri
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Adam & Eve disobeyed G-d and was ashamed of this. Only after they were cast out of Eden were they aware of their nakedness. I would recommend reading Cheef Dan's website (he's a nudist and a minister) at http://cheef.com

Please read what most call the Old Testament and not someone's interpretation of it.

Legal nude photos are those that are g-rated, family-oriented. To quote a judge, "I don't know it, but if I see it, I'll recognize it." Simple nudity is NOT pornography. Nudity in context of a story line, or in an anatomy text book or even in the movie, Shindler's List, is not pornography
Regards, Cheri

Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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Edward
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Posted - 08/23/2002 :  11:51:14 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Now tell me Mr Natural, what do you consider to be a "legal" nude photo and an "illegal" nude photo..I group it all as pornography. I would really like to know what you classify as ok. In the Bible it clearly states that man should take up clothing. Adam was made aware of his nakedness and took up clothing. He was ashamed...
Jesus also took off his garments, put on a towel and washed the feet of his desciples, removed the towel and dried thier feet with it. There was no shame in his nudity. Baptism in that time was done in the nude as part of the rebirth. We are born nude, we are reborn nude. Adam and Eve were put into the garden nude and were not ashamed. It is our sin we are to ashamed of not our nudity.




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cyndiann
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If people could learn to respect nudism, they wouldn't be sneaking around selling photos of kids at the beach.




People aren't going to learn to respect something they don't have a clue about, and the vast majority of people out there fall into that category because most nudists hide what they do and don't talk about it. We are the ones at fault here for not communicating with those outside our lifestyle.




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newdqt
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Why do y'all even respond to Marked4Life. Anyone who says he is against nudity and spends as much time on this site must be getting off on it.


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Cheri
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Posted - 04/16/2003 :  10:18:17 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
He has changed his mind and now accepts our lifestyle.

Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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Posted - 07/27/2003 :  9:01:53 PM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Reprinted from TampaBay.com

Nudist selling nude kid videos
By JAMES THORNER, Times Staff Writer
St. Petersburg Times
published July 25, 2003


The former organizer of Pasco nude youth camps claims the tapes are "a genuine nudist product."

LAND O'LAKES - The former president of the nudist group that sponsored a controversial summer camp for teenagers runs a business that sells videos featuring young nude girls.

Land O'Lakes resident Walt Zadanoff served as president of the American Sunbathing Association, the former name of the 50,000-member American Association for Nude Recreation based in Kissimmee.

The 68-year-old nudist defends the sale of the videos, which include full-frontal shots of elementary-school-age girls at beauty pageants in Europe, as "information and entertainment for a legitimate nudist."

"I sell it in good faith as a genuine nudist product," Zadanoff said Thursday of tapes he distributes over the Internet through a company called Sun-Dressed Marketing.

U.S. Rep. Mark Foley, who campaigned last month against a nude summer camp in Pasco County, considers the videos fodder for a less savory element.

The West Palm Beach Republican is running for the U.S. Senate seat held by Bob Graham and has specialized in child protection issues in the U.S. House.

"These videos are nothing more than a fix for pedophiles," Foley said in a written statement e-mailed to the St. Petersburg Times. "They serve young children on a platter for America's most depraved."

Foley said a local nudist faxed him information about Zadanoff's Web site. Last month, Foley criticized a camp for naked children aged 11 to 17 held at Pasco's Lake Como nudist resort. It was sponsored by the nudist organization Zadanoff led from 1990-92.

The American Association for Nude Recreation disavows the video sales. After inquiries from the Times, the nudist group asked Zadanoff Thursday to remove a link from his Web site to its site.

American nudist resorts don't hold beauty pageants for nude children, association marketing official Debra Peterson said.

"We saw the Web site and said, "Whoa!"' Peterson said. "While the video content may be fine, the focus on the child element to sell it was not appropriate."

Zadanoff said he sells one or two pageant videos a week and that they represent a handful of his 100 video titles. He makes most of his money from guides to international nudist resorts, he said.

Supplied by producers in Russia, the Czech Republic and France, the videos are categorized as "teen" "junior teen" and "junior miss."

Generally, the younger the girls, the more expensive the video. One 55-minute junior miss tape sells for $99.95. The sales caption reads: "Judging based on beauty, personality, poise and grace. Resolution rating - GREAT."

But the sales don't appear to break the law, which delineates between non-sexual nudity and lewdness, said Pasco-Pinellas State Attorney Bernie McCabe. Not that he approves of Zadanoff's Web site.

"There's no question it's probably getting into the hands of folks who aren't just enamored of being a naturist," McCabe said. "So is it feeding some other desire that we find not appropriate?"

Zadanoff accused Foley of being a publicity-hungry "laughing stock" whose mind is "in the gutter." Zadanoff said the videos include no posing, genital closeups or sex.

Zadanoff said he's concerned there could be pedophiles among his customers, but said it's not anything he can control.

"We can't read what's in people's minds," he said. "If they want to take the Sears Roebuck catalog and turn it into something erotic, we can't control that."

Foley's office said his goal is more to shame Zadanoff than to punish him. Resurrecting the summer camp issue, the congressman said<



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Posted - 07/27/2003 :  9:08:27 PM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Reprinted from TampaBay.com

Bush calls for inquiry into nude kid videos
By JAMES THORNER, Times Staff Writer
St. Petersburg Times
published July 26, 2003


The governor wants to know whether nudist Walt Zadanoff broke the law by selling videos of young girls.

LAND O'LAKES - Gov. Jeb Bush has called for an investigation of Pasco County resident Walt Zadanoff, a prominent nudist who has sold videos of elementary-school-age girls participating in naked beauty pageants.

In a letter Friday to Daryl McLaughlin, interim commissioner of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, Bush's office sought answers to whether Zadanoff broke the law when he sold the videos, produced in Europe.

Bush's general counsel, Raquel A. Rodriguez, asked law enforcement to report its preliminary findings within 30 days.

"Obviously, we're dealing with underage children, and the governor is concerned and wants to get as much information as soon as possible," Bush press secretary Alia Faraj said.

Zadanoff's case came to the governor's attention after U.S. Rep. Mark Foley's office called the St. Petersburg Times on Thursday to complain about the videos.

The tapes, produced in countries such as Russia where child protection laws differ from those in the United States, feature girls under such categories as "teens," "junior teens" and "junior miss."

Zadanoff defended his right to market videos portraying what he called social family nudism, but admitted that he buckled under pressure from Foley and other critics.

On Thursday, the day the story broke in the Times, Zadanoff pulled the pageant videos from his Web site.

"I wasn't going to out of principle," Zadanoff said Friday, after fielding requests from news outlets around the country. "But this is getting out of hand."

He complained that the videos have been misconstrued as morally wrong when they show nothing more than nonsexual nudism. "There is nothing illegal. Nevertheless the investigation taints you. People only remember the negative. They don't remember the positive," Zadanoff told the Times.

Foley's office said it went after Zadanoff because he's the former president of the American Sunbathing Association, later renamed the American Association for Nude Recreation.

The association sponsored a nude summer camp for 11- to 17-year-olds in June at the Lake Como nudist resort in Pasco. Last month, Foley denounced the camp as a threat to children, citing reports that a potential pedophile was ejected for spying on campers.

Association officials took pains to point out that Zadanoff finished his term as their president in 1992, a year before the nude youth camps even began.

Zadanoff argued that his case is being politically sensationalized, despite the fact that he's only one distributor among many of such nudist videos.

"It's just so ludicrous," he said. "I'm being hung out to dry, and I can't help it."


[One of the central aims of the Society for Understanding Nudism is to expose and discredit this type of organization. We should credit Rep. Foley's office with picking the correct target this time. -Admin]



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calmnude
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Posted - 07/31/2003 :  12:43:08 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
dont really trust a lot of so-called nudist videos. need endorsement or review in N or Bulletin or a like publication to ascertain whether or not it is nudist or "poseur". have to be careful because some of these films use models as primary characters rather than the regular nudist people.


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Posted - 07/31/2003 :  2:00:24 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Marked4Life on 7/26/2002

...what do you consider to be a "legal" nude photo and an "illegal" nude photo... I group it all as pornography. I would really like to know what you classify as ok. In the Bible it clearly states that man should take up clothing. Adam was made aware of his nakedness and took up clothing. He was ashamed...


M4L -- You have made it clear over the year or so that you are a Christian by faith.

But you often say things in what I would consider a careless --even reckless-- way, sometimes in emphatic, authoritative statements. When someone else can either disprove you or raise a legitimate question as to the authority by which you speak, you end up losing credibilty as it appears you have slowly done here on this forum.

My challenge is this: Where (scripture reference) does the Bible clearly state that man should take up clothing?

I don't believe that statement exists. I do believe that the Apostle Paul's admonition to dress modestly might be twisted into such a belief, but modesty, by definition, is relative to a culture. What is modest in Tahiti is not in New York. What is modest at a public beach is not modest at the restaurant one block away. Each venue has it's own "culture."

That Adam and Eve chose to fashion for themselves coverings made from large leaves is less an instruction for all of humanity, and more a sad symbol of what all of humanity does when confronted with loss at our own hand: we try to cover up; we shift blame; we try to hide from God. God Himself asked them "Who told you that you were naked?"

They felt "naked" because of the spiritual death that occurred when they disobeyed God's ONE request which was not to eat of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

They becamse suddenly aware that their communion and fellowship with the God of the Universe had been damaged as a result of their choice -- their freedom to choose had enabled for them the worst possible results, and they made that choice. Once they chose poorly (to put it mildly), they experienced for the first time Spiritual Death. They brought on themselves the condition the rest of us are born with.

What could possibly make you feel more "naked" than to suddenly realize that "man looketh upon the outward appearance, but God looketh upon the heart?" And what would you have done to cover up, under the same circumstances? Anything you'd have chosen would have been "Man's way" and what the Bible does clearly state is that "God's ways are higher than man's."

God didn't ask them to cover up. That was their "solution" to the problem of realizing God could see "everything." It was a cosmetic band-aid applied the spiritual gash.

I cannot find anywhere that being without clothing is inherently a sin. For certain, nudity is an excellent springboard into behaviors that are "not God's way." Much like "the love of money (not the money itself) is the root of all evil.

One must guard his heart.

Now, I realize you wrote your comment just barely over one year ago -- and you have demonstrated a change of heart about nudists. But I hope you have also made a few changes in your attitudes, and in what I consider your over-zealous need to make authoritative statements "backed" by the Bible. Some are misleading, and others are flat-out dishonest.

As a painter, I consider painting the human form to be an homage to the Creator. That is not to say in any way that all artwork depicting the nude human form honors God -- I think only a small percentage of it does. But to call all nudity pornographic is to expose an imbalance within oneself... I could live the rest of my days in peace if pornography disappeared, but not nudity. There is a difference, and you w



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paint4life
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Posted - 07/31/2003 :  2:10:54 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I realize much of what I said was "Off Topic" in retrospect. I apologize.

Weighing In: I do believe that many nudists have wrong motives when taking pictures or videos. Others do not.
Knowing that there are preditors out there should make one very cautious. I would not want to be found on a video, or a website -- especially one that caters to some people's prurient nature.



Edited by - paint4life on 07/31/2003 9:54:17 PM

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Posted - 07/31/2003 :  8:18:55 PM  Show Profile  Visit Admin's Homepage  Reply with Quote
paint4life, apology accepted. Especially since you so artfully (!) rescued the thread from a terrible derailment!

(And, thanks for being gentle with Marked4life. Though "preachey" at times, we've come to accept him as part of our community, perhaps a needed part.)

You also allude to an interesting question: at what point is a naturist/nudist video appealing more for the prurient interest? This one has puzzled me for some time...



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paint4life
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Posted - 07/31/2003 :  9:51:23 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
At what point is a naturist/nudist video appealing more for the prurient interest?

When it is voyeuristic in effect.

When the only place you can buy or view such material is on sites created for titillation.

I can imagine that a promotional video for a location for nude recreation would be largely un-erotic. You might find that a documentary on a figure drawing class was equally un-erotic.

And, as an aside... why does the word titillation have that word in it?



Edited by - paint4life on 07/31/2003 10:48:33 PM

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Paint4life, Hi, I didn't recognize your quote from the Bible
"Neither do I condemn you," Jesus said. "Go, and choose God's path for the rest of your life."
I would like to start by saying I respect and agree with at least most of what you said if not all.
I am a brand new member today and this is my first post, hope it's ok.
I to have had to deal with my struggles of lust. I am quite confident you know what Jesus said about that. I love being naked and being with naked people, but are my motives 100% pure, not likely. I have found that a nudist enviorment is not as sexual as I would have thought before. Like I said I do agree with your comments.
I know there are a lot of versions and some are intended for a clear/clearer understanding of the original text and others are sometimes used to "water down" the Word. I was just curious which version you used for that quote. I included several ""s from a few of the versions I have. They all include the word "sin". I know that word is not popular in todays culture but I think we should call things as they are. I am not saying that nudism is a sin, but as you said it is a springboard. Thats why Paul said to dress modestly, he knew how sinful man is. I am not telling anyone here they are sinning, I just want to help share the truth of the Word.

Dan

blaxbeach@yahoo.com

John 8:11
1 "No one, sir," she said.

"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin."
NIV

John 8:11
11 She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more."
NKJV

John 8:11
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
KJV

John 8:11
11 And she said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn thee: go thy way; from henceforth sin no more.)
ASV

John 8:11
11 And she said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go your way. From now on sin no more."]
NAS



Thanx



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