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scuba-steve
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 Posted - 08/23/2008 : 3:20:19 PM
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I am new to public nudism, even though i used to rodeo and was always changing in public and not caring. I will be going to a local camp for the first time and am a bit hesitant on what to expect. I have heard several rumors of many types of lifestyles combining such as nuism and swinging. How much of that actually goes on? I look forward to a great time this next weekend. I also look forward to hearing from you all.
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Balto Bob
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catbird
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Posted - 08/23/2008 : 8:46:58 PM
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Originally posted by scuba-steve
I am new to public nudism, even though i used to rodeo and was always changing in public and not caring. I will be going to a local camp for the first time and am a bit hesitant on what to expect. I have heard several rumors of many types of lifestyles combining such as nuism and swinging. How much of that actually goes on? I look forward to a great time this next weekend. I also look forward to hearing from you all.
What you have heard about nudism and swinging is just rumor. At a AANR (American Association of Nude Recreation) sanctioned nudist resort, there is NONE of the swinging. Nudism and swinging are vastly different. Visit the www.aanr.com come web site to find out which nudist resorts are legitimate.
Naturally, Catbird
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melissastarr
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Posted - 08/23/2008 : 10:11:12 PM
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Catbird, I can't say that the statement that "At an AANR sanctioned nudist resort, there is no swinging" is always accurate. It should be, but it isn't. I've heard of many people who go to nudist resorts that are sanctioned by AANR and swing while they're there. Behind closed doors, but they do swing. At one nudist resort that I went to in PA there was open sex on the wilderness trails.... and that was an AANR resort. Management didn't seem to care about this and it wasn't just one couple one time. I saw many, many couples (and 3-somes and 4-somes) doing this.
I wish that all AANR clubs were completely swinger-free, but that's not the case and not always realistic. It sounds like you have had more positive experiences with this than I have. Not that all resorts are swingerish- most aren't- but there are exceptions to every rule.
Melissa
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Calbob
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Posted - 08/25/2008 : 10:04:30 PM
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I have to agree with Melissa. There are swingers at many AANR clubs, but it's not out in the open, and it is never promoted as it is at - -. What goes on between consenting adults behind closed doors is considered private.
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Cheri
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Posted - 08/25/2008 : 10:31:42 PM
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Melissa, The inappropriate behavior will not stop at nudist parks until people make written statements to complain to management and to AANR. The one you are indicating had lost it's AANR charter till it "cleaned up its act." Apparently, it hasn't. As I said in my first sentence, it won't stop until management and subsequently AANR gets official complaints. Just talking about it won't stop it.
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bornnude
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Posted - 08/26/2008 : 07:08:14 AM
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I have to agree with Melissa. There are swingers at many AANR clubs, but it's not out in the open, and it is never promoted as it is at - -. What goes on between consenting adults behind closed doors is considered private.
I don't really know if the percentage of swingers at clothing optional venues is higher than the general population from from the discussion, it seems to be.
It could be that certain destinations (hedonism and others) tend to attract more who are open about sexual activity to their locations.
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catbird
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Posted - 08/27/2008 : 4:00:04 PM
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The most dubious act I have seen at that Pennsylvania resort was at a dance in their night club. A couple were dancing rubbing their legs together while his leg was between her legs.
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acoustixman
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Posted - 08/27/2008 : 6:54:40 PM
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I might suggest we should check out some 'clothed' ski resorts, or performing arts communities and see if there's swinging there, in the spirit of 'bornnude's response. I'm not afraid of it behind closed doors as it were (whether I'm nude or not; hell, I'm sure people have various forms of sex even in my own neighborhood behind closed doors), and I'm not even against public approaches (like you'd see anywhere men and women might intermingle) as long as manners are exhibited such as would befit any similar public situation and public behavior remains as non-lewd as context dictates.
I know for me personally, my own 'quite-sexual' mind can become indirectly but decidedly relieved by engaging in the alternate personal sensual pathway of non-sexual nakedness, so any urge to do anything overtly sexual tends to diminish the longer I am without clothing. Surely there are others with different tendencies, perhaps no less nudist than I. I do estimate that my own passtimes while naked would be tainted if this were not allowed to happen, e.g. seeing public sex acts might derail my mind's capability to wholesomely circumvent the quest for sexual gratification through nakedness, leaving me unsatisfied in both departments.
I think ultimately if being a "nudist" means we prefer nakedness on our own part, it should not presumptively also mean we prefer celibacy on the part of others. I think it is however reasonable to state that core philosophies of "social nudism" are placed in dire jeopardy when a tenuous balance of sex and "social nudism" is attempted on the slippery and irregular slope of general public tolerance and reconciliation with simple moral merits, i.e. most people seem to need help seeing how nudity and sex are not mutually indicative, and that is our responsibility. Mind you, I think both occurrences of the phrase "social nudism" above can be replaced with many other things that are totally unrelated, without altering the truth of the statement. Try it with "a business relationship" or "a military command"; as we all well know, nudity is not part of the problem.
I wouldn't personally be specifically bothered by the dancing while nude that 'catbird' mentioned, as I feel no closer to sex just because of being nude so I don't assume that others DO. I do feel closer to the urge for sex while dancing (or watching others dance) sometimes, particularly while clothed, for the additional anticipation which would then include disrobing for the purpose of sex, and that is usually quite different from disrobing to stop being clothed. There must be a line drawn but I see no reason for said line to differ depending on the clothing level of participants. Where to draw that line? That's the toughy since some people think we're actually trying to erase it. I submit that we need to be the most open minded of all though, since our quest for nudity tolerance seems to have much potential to benefit by our own examples of tolerance. Of course unbridled sex among nudists is the armor-piercing bullet for the prudish special interest, so I'm not saying that clubs should allow public sex, lest anyone lose me here. I draw this to the statement that we must place the line in exactly the same place as everyone we wish to accept us, inclusive of individual sexuality, but exclusive of public sexual indulgence.
If a club allows swinging behind closed doors, I think it would be like a restaurant allowing me to say Grace before eating. If a club allows swinging (or any sexual activity for that matter) in the "open" they are a "sex club" since that has become their focus (that's just the way sex is, as I'll bet we mostly agree). Sex is ironically auto-symbolic since it pervasively penetrates its environment one way or the other once it starts happening. Identification of nudist clubs serving as sex clubs is thus the critical accomplishment for us, and Cheri has certainly outlined that necessity with the suggestion of reporting such clubs to the appropriate affiliation oversight group such as AANR.
-JW
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scuba-steve
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Posted - 08/28/2008 : 12:41:38 AM
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Thank you all for your incites ad warm reception. I feel a lot more comfortable by hearing the different sides. I look forward to a wonderful and finally a relaxing wekend. I look forward to many more like it and I will let you all know how things went.
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bornnude
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Posted - 08/28/2008 : 07:26:18 AM
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Originally posted by acoustixman
I might suggest we should check out some 'clothed' ski resorts, or performing arts communities and see if there's swinging there, in the spirit of 'bornnude's response.
Let me make it clear, I do think any sexual activity from behind closed doors at a venue approaching people to be involved in that activity is harmful to that venue in the eyes of the public. That is, at least on the surface, the cause for the latest threat of closure at San Onofre.
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acoustixman
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Posted - 08/28/2008 : 2:29:31 PM
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I'm definitely reconsidering the point here; scene usually not one of singles at AANR clubs; any public advances are almost certain to be swinging solicitations, rather than incidental 'courtship' as singles would produce; kind becomes more evident that this would be likely to set the atmosphere off-kilter relative to our wholesome nudism, especially giving to blemish in terms of our practices eventually garnering public favor and legislative comprehension. We're trying to establish that nudity is not lewdity and yet there are some it would seem who would tear our work at the very seams FROM THE INSIDE by not only failing to recognize and practice the distinction, but by making that failure public knowledge! It increasingly becomes more akin to drinking shots of whisky, smoking cigarettes and aimlessly shouting during a church service, as I consider it. Two patterns of behavior that are fundamentally incompatible.
While it appears I have contradicted myself, this post follows up in order to present my due consideration to the fact that AANR clubs are pretty much inherently exclusive of "public sexuality that is disjoint from swinging", as they are NOT scenes that are meant (nor even available) to be conducive for singles to engage in dating behavior.
A club that allows singles might risk its composure as likely as a club that allows public sex, and thus much of my previously expressed tolerance for presence of sex below what level would directly influence me becomes moot. With my apology for initially failing to fully grasp the issue.
At either end I would say that acts of sex in any size group to be discovered on well-traveled walkways at a nudist club is as indecent as such activity as it would be observed in a grocery store parking lot.
-JW
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