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nudeisntlewd
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To answer the original question
"Are we even attempting to remain a legit site?"
It saddens me, but I have to say no.
A remark like that which indicates "we" are not trying to remain legit sounds like one indicts one's self. Speak for yourself. I think that the vast majority of posters have good intentions and legitimate questions and input.
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The fact is that sex sells.
The owner of these forums is catering to that business.
Unfortunately, as a result, this place seems to be becoming trolling pervert central.
They won't ever say it, so I'll say it for them:
Admin and the mods must be deeply insulted and hurt by that comment. They have to go to the trouble to read each and every post made here every day to make sure that they are appropriate and within the quidelines. A considerable effort, as this site grows every day. Admin caters to no one! He has dealt with many a problem child swiftly and efficiently in the past by editing comments and banning users when need be. It would be impractical, impossible, and dictatorial to remove everything and everyone that one member or another takes exception with. In fact, it seems to me, he's getting better at it, even as we get larger. Of late, I haven't seen some of the blatent and severe cases that he used to need to ban.
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Trolls and pervs will always join good forums like this one as long as the earth turns. It's going to be a never-ending battle. I would suggest to anyone who thinks they could do a better job, to go away and start their own forum and give it a try. Otherwise, a little more input and a lot less criticism would be nice.
Go ahead and hate me. I don't care. I'm not one to sit back and listen to anyone say our leaders are not working hard to keep this forum on the up and up.
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Balto Bob
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Posted - 05/21/2008 : 07:52:49 AM
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Randy,
All I can say is AMEN!!
Remember guests out number members 10-1. People do read this forum. Most of the people you are complaining about post a few times and leave.
Bob
Have a nice NUDE day !!
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 05/23/2008 : 12:57:52 AM
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Randy - I second that motion. I was initially hesitant to post in this thread because some people are in denial of reality and got all spun-up about one of my previous posts here so I really didn't want to deal with any more fall-out. But if you're familiar with my posts you know I can't help myself so here goes.
CMx2: Actually this is one of the few legitimate global sites out there about nudism. A quick google search on nudism and you'll find this site comes up second in the list behind Wiki. Many other in the top ten are site's selling pictures of nudism. I've said it before and I'll say it again. There is no legitimate reason to buy electronic pictures of strangers, especially of "family" nudism. The internet is dominated by those sites that give nudism a perpetual black-eye. The vast majority of the focus should be on the harm those sites are causing nudism not individual clubs or or people running for AANR board seats. Unfortunately, that is a much more difficult battle to wage so the anger is focused on the tangible that can be identified and maligned.
As far as "THAT PLACE" goes. You obviously just must have missed the posts of the daily slandering it receives. Including the constant assault by one of this sites own moderators. I highly doubt Admin is raking in the dough by having links at the bottom of the page. They are there because the average nudist understands you don't have to be so darn militant against that which you disagree. Oh and maybe the fact that it's the most upscale nudist resort in the country might help as well!
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Posted - 05/23/2008 : 02:59:01 AM
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Originally posted by FlCpl4NewdFun
CMx2: Actually this is was one of the few legitimate global sites out there about nudism.
Fixed.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 05/23/2008 : 04:38:31 AM
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Originally posted by FlCpl4NewdFun
CMx2: Actually this is was one of the few legitimate global sites out there about nudism.
Fixed.
I'm not sure if editing other people's posts is within the realm of decency or conducive to a fair exchange of ideas.
So if it is no longer legitimate in your opinion, why are you here? Are you going to save the site and our souls as well?
Once again, "I would suggest to anyone who thinks they could do a better job, to go away and start their own forum and give it a try. Otherwise, a little more input and a lot less criticism would be nice."
I haven't ever seen anything constructive from you. All I've seen you do is criticize the forum, it's members and staff.
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Posted - 05/23/2008 : 12:06:56 PM
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Being new to this forum, but by no means new to forums we have found that it has the same difficulties as others do in topical discussions.
It is human nature, unfortunately it seems at times, to be talkative and in doing so subjects can and do veer wildly at times.
We haven't read all the posts here (that would be a little on the obsessive side anyway), so we haven't noticed anything that has set the Troll alarm ringing, something that is all too familiar on the forums we have visited be it cars, nudism, widgits or whatever the general theme of the forum is.
The concentration of the same tired topics is nothing new either. We have a friend who is doing her masters thesis on the importance of things to a society by the number of terms used to describe them and she chose a certain portion of the human anatomy as her main focus and thus far she has complied over 2000 terms for that particular portion (The Inuit Eskimos have 138 terms just for snow), so if one particular item can have in excess of 2000 terms for it, it is fairly reasonable to think that certain topics will keep popping into the discussion.
Changing the order of the topic headings is a good idea to direct readers to the main thrust of a forum and we saw where a suggestion for a particular change was accepted and the change was made. It might be that more thought to the order of the topic headings may be useful in directing some of the more tired topics to a tired old topics area and directing readers to the more legit, as this topic's originator termed them, topics for this forum.
As the originator stated, we too are quite liberal minded and are not swingers as well but have no fear of any topic. It is just some topics are no too conducive to a particular goal and here promotion of and education about nudism is the goal as far as we can tell. Over at All About Mustangs the goal is to promote the only car Ford ever made and topics about the Rainforest don't really add to that goal, but there are two topics about just that there.
Sorry for the length of this post.
What it boils down to, at least for us, is - Life happens, so why make it harder than it has to be?
Life is good.
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Rodders
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 04:37:33 AM
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I suppose there are, if this site is to be taken seriously, an enormous number of males (mainly) who spend most of their conscious hours thinking about arousal, penis size and the other enormous topic of shaving the genitals & perhaps the rest of the time dreaming about them. Quite what it all has to do with nudism is a bit tenuous and perhaps a separate site would be a good idea so these people can bang on about these mind bindingly important issues to their insatiable hearts content. Of course, the headings of the threads generally give most of us a pretty good clue as what to read or not. This site is a warts & all one and I certainly enjoy a fair amount of it and can easily avoid the ones I find boring and have done once the site became familiar to me. It is for the most part vibrant and the voice of naturism expressed by those of us who love being unfettered by clothes. As for this thread, I've really enjoyed the cross section of views expressed and after all that is the strength of nudistresorts.org and long may it be so.
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 12:54:23 PM
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Originally posted by bear
Being new to this forum, but by no means new to forums we have found that it has the same difficulties as others do in topical discussions.
It is human nature, unfortunately it seems at times, to be talkative and in doing so subjects can and do veer wildly at times.
You will find trolls in any forum. Even in Christian forums there are trolls. Participants are supposed to love each other in a Christian forum.
I have created a web site on another topic; however I don't feel the Lord guiding me to having any forum on that web site. The reason I don't feel so guided is because of what this thread has been discussing.
Naturally, Catbird
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Posted - 05/24/2008 : 3:08:58 PM
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This site is a warts & all one... It is for the most part vibrant and the voice of naturism expressed by those of us who love being unfettered by clothes. [Emphasis added]
Thanks, Rod. Can I quote you on that? Oops already did. When I read that, I realized that's exactly why I began this project. I'm sure some of you are as proud as I am of what we've accomplished. The top Google listings for nudism and nudist this year have further legitimized our efforts. The Google god must think we're talking about the right stuff, and It is pleased.
Don't forget about the nice mention we got in the Google video titled "Nudie Central". You guys deserve some credit for that.
Thank you, each of you, for your kind comments in this thread.
I really appreciate and cherish some of our most conservative members, allnaturalwife and CMx2 included. Without them, we wouldn't know how the extreme right is perceiving changes in the nudist industry. Without the conservatives support, most nudist resorts would not survive for long, so we must always have an ear open to them.
The main legitimacy of this site is with the honest diversity of membership we encourage here, of course within carefully considered limits for subject matter and courtesy.
I would be happier if when we criticize, we do it fairly, being clear about the issue, so others can respond intelligently. As long as you're being honest and fair, your opinions—and especially criticisms—are most welcome.
Now, could somebody sum up the real issue here, so we can have a meaningful dialog about it?
Here's what I got out of allnaturalwife's first post: that there are 'true' nudists (non-tolerant naturists) that should separate from the 'other' nudists (that are more tolerant of the various lifestyles seen at nudist resorts). That's issue one.
She also brings up the trouble with "exhibitionist banter infused with sexual undertones". That's issue two.
I would think it's a community that should set the standards of good taste, as they do with decency, and it varies with the community. This forum is meant to be a bit less conservative than, for instance, AANR's bulletin boards. It is also meant to be less liberal than sites that mix nudism with photo collecting, voyeurism, titillation, or open sex. We're in the middle, because we believe that represents the majority of the public.
However those on the extreme ends—conservative and liberal alike—are welcome provided of course, like at any nudist resort or club, you abide by the house rules. That truly is our common bond whether here or at a nudist venue.
If you detect any "false banter", let me know about it. I dislike it as much as you. Were you suggesting banning certain popular subject matter for trolls? Shall we just write an "Erection White Paper" that details everything we want people to think and believe about it, and just publish that and call it a day?
I didn't notice the "size of ones penis" thread. Perhaps someone posted something in passing referring to that. You need to link to the examples so we can fix it.
Someone mentioned the promotional images at the bottom of the forum pages. They're not meant to be all - -, but they were the first to offer a way for you guys to save some money, and that's why they are all over the forum. Trust me, we are monitoring. If - - ever gets to a point that regular nudists cannot thoroughly enjoy a vacation there, we'd pull those ads. We also plan to rotate them, and draw attention to various stellar trip report threads, and other nudist resorts. I'm open to suggestions on the very best threads to highlight at the bottom of the pages.
Catbird—running a forum is no picnic, but it can be<
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Pete Knight
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Posted - 05/29/2008 : 4:41:41 PM
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Sadly no one has noticed Jenn hasn't posted on this thread since 18th April 2008, because you've all been bickering away and leading the topic into the very territory that Jenn was writing about, despite her plea's it has degenerated into a knob thread, and I totally agree with what Jenn said in the OP.
FlCpl4NewdFun's main complaint was that Jenn was being elitist, strange because I didn't see it that way, she was merely stating that with her pedigree she is experienced enough to spot the trolls and pervs who are intent on bringing the forum back to sex, something that concerns me too I might add, the constant recycling of the erection threads, note the plural, when one thread on erections is bad enough on other forums, yet here we manage to raise (Sorry) the erection question again and again.
To suggest that she was superior because she lives the lifestyle wasn't, as far as I could see, Jenn's intention, yet thats the offence that FlCpl4NewdFun appeared to take, then things went downhill and knobs crept into the thread, and now Jenn has gone away again, how sad, it seems to have reinforced her perception of this forum, and sadly she may never return.
I well recall doing battle with the pro-boner brigade, there were serious attempts to justify erections at clubs, resorts and beaches, I'm pleased to say most of those idiots aren't around now, which confirms my suspicion that they were trolls.
I haven't been posting as much as usual lately, partly because I've been in Australia again, but a mainly because there is either too much talk of erections and knob sizes, and the mind numbingly boring "Do you wear underwear" thread and threads of a similar sort, I mean for gods sake, how does not wearing underwear make you a nudist?
Lets go back to basics here;
1. Nude does not equal sex
2. no undies does not equal nude.
Any dictionary will tell you that nude is no cloths, not wearing undies isn't a qualifier, lets start getting serious folks.
I fully expect to be lambasted for this post, but who gives a damn, you've chased Jenn away so why not me too.
I'll say my goodbyes now, if the expected tirade of abuse follows it will save me having waste my time signing off later.
Pete Knight
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Posted - 05/29/2008 : 8:26:54 PM
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Thank you, Pete, for bringing it back around.
This is a legitimate site as long as we stick to what it's about, it's name "NUDIST".
Hugs, Cheri
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Posted - 05/29/2008 : 10:29:42 PM
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Indeed. I've had this site bookmarked as a "favorite" but that's sure been a misnomer for a quite a while. Subjects such as "urinating etiquette", 'armpit hair grooming", the ever popular "erections are ok" etc etc are just so far from nudity as I know it, and any conversation that you'd actually have in person-in public, that the question of whether this a legit site is a good one. Let's consolidate some of more foolish topics under a heading of "fetish and stupidity". Jen, Pete, Cheri and othes have good ideas. Listen to them. Flame on!
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Posted - 05/30/2008 : 12:21:58 AM
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The suggestions that Jenn has made for interesting and informative threads are good ideas and most if not all of them already exist. I realize that sometimes they can be hard to find because there is so much of the repetitive crap out in the forefront all the time. If there are concerns about trying to be legit, the best way to gain and project a better image of legitimacy is to seek out or create those threads and participate in them. Get them showing up as "topics since you last signed on." Get people talking about those topics instead of complaining that people talk too much about what you don't want to talk about.
Also, questions have been asked in this thread. And those questions have been responded to from a number of viewpoints. Are we to assume that if someone disagrees with someone else, they are "trolling?" I just went through and read all 4 pages of this thread again and didn't see any blatent trolling. What I saw was honest opinions, some of which I do and some which I do not share. I also saw people, (myself included) who were insulted by attacks  on our own group and it's moderators, by our own group members. And those were items were responded to honestly.
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 05/30/2008 : 7:50:29 PM
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Originally posted by Pete Knight
Sadly no one has noticed Jenn hasn't posted on this thread since 18th April 2008, because you've all been bickering away and leading the topic into the very territory that Jenn was writing about, despite her plea's it has degenerated into a knob thread, and I totally agree with what Jenn said in the OP.
FlCpl4NewdFun's main complaint was that Jenn was being elitist, strange because I didn't see it that way, she was merely stating that with her pedigree she is experienced enough to spot the trolls and pervs who are intent on bringing the forum back to sex, something that concerns me too I might add, the constant recycling of the erection threads, note the plural, when one thread on erections is bad enough on other forums, yet here we manage to raise (Sorry) the erection question again and again.
To suggest that she was superior because she lives the lifestyle wasn't, as far as I could see, Jenn's intention, yet thats the offence that FlCpl4NewdFun appeared to take, then things went downhill and knobs crept into the thread, and now Jenn has gone away again, how sad, it seems to have reinforced her perception of this forum, and sadly she may never return.
I well recall doing battle with the pro-boner brigade, there were serious attempts to justify erections at clubs, resorts and beaches, I'm pleased to say most of those idiots aren't around now, which confirms my suspicion that they were trolls.
I haven't been posting as much as usual lately, partly because I've been in Australia again, but a mainly because there is either too much talk of erections and knob sizes, and the mind numbingly boring "Do you wear underwear" thread and threads of a similar sort, I mean for gods sake, how does not wearing underwear make you a nudist?
Lets go back to basics here;
1. Nude does not equal sex
2. no undies does not equal nude.
Any dictionary will tell you that nude is no cloths, not wearing undies isn't a qualifier, lets start getting serious folks.
I fully expect to be lambasted for this post, but who gives a damn, you've chased Jenn away so why not me too.
I'll say my goodbyes now, if the expected tirade of abuse follows it will save me having waste my time signing off later.
Pete Knight
Pete: I'm not sure you read any of my posts. I did not say Jenn was being elitist. What I said was many of the posts on this forum had a subtle hint of elitism. In fact if you go back and read them all you'll find I agreed with most of what Jenn was saying and also with what you are saying.
I did get upset when one of my posts was edited. It was wrong then and it's still wrong now. However, it has never happened again so it was an anomaly.
I think where we differ is when I discuss topics of sexuality, those with one track minds can't bifurcate that from sexual acts and immediately get offended.
So here are my "back to basics"
1. Nude does not equal sex
2. Sexuality does not imply "sexual acts"
3. Humans are sexual beings with or without clothes on.
4. One can not help who they are attracted to whether they are wearing clothes or not. Just as when wearing clothes, attraction is attraction. Those who say they can control that while nude are delusional. What separates us from the animals is we have the ability to adapt to social norms are control acting on the attraction.
5. Being an exhibitionist is not about sex. When someone gets arousal by exposing themselves that it an exhibitionism fetish. When I say nudists have an exhibition streak I say that in a non-sexual sense.
Finally, all of the above are indeed perfectly legitimate topics for this forum and especially this thread. I find it extremely frustrating when any hint of dissent or disagre
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Posted - 05/31/2008 : 05:41:24 AM
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But what about us females? I mean, what if I get aroused and my nipples get erect? I HAVE to talk to someone about that and it DEFINITELY will require several threads to do so. And what if my pubic mound is too small in comparison to other womens? Now THERE'S another few threads that simply MUST take place. Surely you all understand how much I need these threads so that I can feel comfortable enough with myself to be a nudist and to go on a nudist venture?????
Melissa
ps- I hope you all understand that I'm just trying to imput a little humor into a thread that is getting very heated at times. Sometimes a laugh helps. :)
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