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Nudony
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 Posted - 01/26/2005 : 8:46:05 PM
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I'm (relatively) new to this forum, and I was reading over some of the old posts (and contributing to some.) What I've noticed here more than anywhere else, is a strong divide between liberal thinking and conservative thinking; and it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with age, religion, etc… Although I'm aware that categorizations are usually flawed (because no one fits into one sole category), I will attempt to point the differences I perceive between the two.
The conservative nudist believes his/her individual actions should represent the nudist community as a whole and serve its best interests; the liberal nudist is more interested in his/her personal well-being as a priority.
The conservative nudist believes in a strict adherence to nudist etiquette; the liberal nudist believes in a more flexible approach, based on the situation and personal preference.
The conservative nudist believes in disciplined behavior when socially nude; the liberal nudist prizes self-expression, which may be outside the "norm."
The conservative nudist emphasizes the "non-sexuality" of nudism; the liberal nudist understands the difference, but concedes that the "line" between the two can be blurry.
This is not a criticism of either way of thinking; on the contrary. I think they are both necessary and complementary. If nudism was too conservative, then young people would be turned off by the formalism and rigidity, and nudism would age even more drastically. On the other hand, if nudism was too liberal, it would attract the "wrong crowd" and the movement would fall into limbo. So I think we need conservative thinkers to keep the movement in line and structured, and the liberal thinkers to bring new ideas and new directions to the table. We may see things differently, but we still all want to share the same space....naturally.
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gospel
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Posted - 01/29/2005 : 4:08:07 PM
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Nudony
You make very good observations especially the summary. Give and take is the essance of life.
gospel
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nudeisntlewd
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 Posted - 01/30/2005 : 12:08:18 AM
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Nudony,
I too agree with your observations. I think of myself as not really fitting into a category. Sometimes I'm a bit annoyed by hearing people saying that one thing or another does or does not fit into the "philosophy". I think nudism should be a form of self-expression as well as just plain enjoyable and not always a deep philosophical issue. But on the other hand, I agree that certain undignified behaviors should be avoided in any situation. I think that some of them can be very damaging to our image as a group. So I believe in etiquette insofar as to have standards of good behavior. But I disagree with standards as to issues of style.
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NUDKIWI
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 Posted - 01/30/2005 : 04:30:46 AM
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I am of the opinion that the way we act with our clothes on,should be the same way we act with our clothes off.
Just because we remove our clothes,shouldn't mean we leave our morals,principles and beliefs behind.
When we get naked it shouldn't turn us into some roaring sex mad swinger,any more than it should make us up tight or,dare i say it,prudish.
Clothing is just a covering.What makes us,us is still there.
Naturally KIWI
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 01/30/2005 : 07:49:30 AM
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Spot on, NUDKIWI! Couldn't have said it better.
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Edward Ludwig
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Posted - 01/30/2005 : 3:43:05 PM
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I consider myself conservative.
Ed
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Ketchummaine
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 Posted - 01/31/2005 : 08:22:37 AM
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Put me down as a Moderate with Conservative tendencies.
Have a GREAT Day!
Kevin
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Bob S.
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Posted - 01/31/2005 : 9:29:37 PM
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Looking at the Nudony's comparison's, they generally fall into line with research has shown, that conservative nudists are more apt to partake in organized nudism (nudist clubs/parks) while liberal nudists tend to prefer more open areas for nudism (beaches, hiking trails).
"I am of the opinion that the way we act with our clothes on,should be the same way we act with our clothes off."
One of the best quotes about nudism I have heard, Kiwi. And from one o the oddest avatars. I guess that truly is a nudist picture!
Bob S.
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NUDKIWI
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Posted - 02/01/2005 : 5:38:51 PM
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Yes Bob the diet was a great success
Naturally KIWI
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nudeman72
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Posted - 02/10/2005 : 03:07:18 AM
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Exactly, Kiwi-
If someone's not acting the same way nude that they would with clothes on, then they haven't really achieved the ultimate goal of nudism. (Being totally relaxed with "being yourself.)
The only way that the behaviour should theoretically be different is that the person would be more relaxed while nude!
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nudecampin
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Posted - 02/11/2005 : 11:58:02 AM
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I'm a liberal nudist I guess as I prefer outdoor activities like camping, hiking, etc. and I'm not terribly interested in the organized club/resort stuff, although not opposed to it either. NudeKiwi sums it up though, just be yourself.
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Gary Douglas
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Posted - 02/11/2005 : 12:11:10 PM
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I believe in less government and less socialism (liberalism/communism,etc.) and more freedom and more personal responsibility. I guess that make me a conservative.
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nudetoo
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Posted - 06/23/2005 : 12:03:47 AM
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I have to agree with nudekiwi, we are people and we are what we are,nude or clothed, but should'nt there be some kind of subdivision where us rednecks fit in!
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old hippie
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Posted - 11/03/2005 : 10:40:09 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by nudetoo
I have to agree with nudekiwi, we are people and we are what we are,nude or clothed, but should'nt there be some kind of subdivision where us rednecks fit in!
Willy,
How do you get just the neck to be red? I usually get equally burnt all over.
Dum vivimus, vivamus!
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old hippie
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Posted - 11/03/2005 : 10:49:00 AM
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quote:
Originally posted by NUDKIWI
I am of the opinion that the way we act with our clothes on,should be the same way we act with our clothes off.
-snip-
Clothing is just a covering.What makes us,us is still there.
Naturally KIWI
KIWI,
That is ever so true. And I would even like to suggest that it is more so in the other direction. Many individuals are extra polite and extra thoughtful in a nude setting. Something about the vulnerablity of nakedness seems to make us put on our best behaviour. The social fabric might be greatly improved if more people in clothes behaved like those who are nude.
Part of the naturist attitude (I cringe at "philosophy") is supposed to be a certain level of acceptance of one another for who and what we are. I rarely see that happen when someone in a pin-stripe suit meets someone in blue jeans. I wish that the way we behave with our clothes on was more like the way we behave with our clothes off.
the Old Hippie
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GeeWilly
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Posted - 11/03/2005 : 11:42:09 AM
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No one would doubt that the person in pin stripes, coat and tie performs differently and exhibits a different demeanor in the workplace from what he shows if he is wearing jeans and a tee shirt. And he is approached in a dissimilar manner as well. It follows that in a nude environment he would establish a third personality, doesn't it? Sort of a "Three Faces of Bob" kinda thing.
With respect to Nudony's "liberal" nudist, aren't there places for "swinging nudists" to frequent? Places where the public display of sex is discomforting to the "conservative" nudist who doesn't want the expectation of such to deprive him of his favorite naturist spot. (Because the present political power in office frowns on such ungodly behavior and feels obliged to change it.)
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