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vinyasi
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 Posted - 09/25/2004 : 8:14:20 PM
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Being a free-range nudist (for the most part) and having succumbed to the negativity surrounding my person and behavior, I have had to resort to regimens in order to divest myself of views which are not entirely my own. I usually empathize with these views (held to be against free, nude where-ever you choose, lifestyle). I'm only partly sympathetic to the motives working against me, so have tapered off the quantity and degree of care-free nudity and near-nudity that I used to enjoy in and around the city and my neighborhood. But I have to live and not die, nor live a living nightmare self-imprisoned within my own abode. Rational fasting of fruits and vegetables and raw foods dieting used to be my only available methods for releasing my mind from the negativity that I too easily allow to be impregnated by my opponents. Recently, I've come upon a better way to cast off the filth of my mental environment: acid bathing, and to a lessor degree of benefit: sour drinks. By bathing in a tart solution of vinegar (an ounce per quart), I manage to perk up my outlook. And by drinking lemon-water (the juice of half a lemon per glass), I'm a little less fearful of reattempting any new versions of fitting myself into areas around town which are not recognized as established for nude activities. As it is, Los Angeles has little to offer. So, carving a personal niche is always a chore (I don't expect anything I do to start a revolution, unlike my previous naivete): a never-ending battle/tightrope-walk to succeed without engendering antagonistic competition.
I've always felt that nudism outside of our rank and file could benefit from an improved sense of hygiene. We may be viewed by mainstream as a bunch of specialists. Mainstream seems bent on thinking that nudity (as a social activity) needs moral improvement before ever becoming "acceptable" outside of restricted areas (privacy) and established interests (personal relationships). So, I've endeavored to discover how to reestablish nudity into mainstream presumptions of social reality by continuing to risk my own neck in the process in order to get "first hand" information.
Some of my basic premises consist of:
1. We (by and large: the majority) prefer to hide awareness of our karma from ourselves by preventing it from returning to our person. This lengthens our time-frame for getting away with whatever suits us. Since conformity to social ethics doesn't necessarily require any moral sense, promotion of personal agendas can be of any flavor provided it stays within the boundaries of established opinion. This is to keep the individual free of "social guilt" while at the same time this adds the individual's karma into the social pile. Under these conditions, society ends up by carrying the karmic burden of all of its members and nowhere can the blame be found for finding individual fault.
2. With conformity comes power. Social conformity empowers the individual (which is a reasonable theory to assume here) since the conformist gives up a certain amount of self-determination in favor of participating within a group of people larger and more efficacious at producing results than if he/she had acted alone. But the inverse is also true: with power comes the need for conformity. It is our thirst for power (social power over wayward individuals who like to do their own "thing" and individual empowerment for satisfying personal desires) which manifests a hunger for ever more social rules of conduct. Given this outlook, the nudist's world can indeed look bleak when viewed under certain circumstances, such as: living among prudes.
I am pressuming here that prudery is augmented by alkaline bathing. Alkalinity is to power what acidity is to speed and the two are inversely propotional to one another: an increase of one diminishes the other. Alkaline soaps afforded the development of early --- and continuing on, up to modern --- civilization's quest to stave off having to "pay the piper" in ka
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Chuck
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Posted - 09/26/2004 : 11:07:05 AM
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ummmmm lot of similarities between two of our posters....??
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wannabe2
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 Posted - 09/26/2004 : 3:29:31 PM
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Yinyasi,I read your post a couple of times.WOW you said a mouthfull.My suggestion to you is get rid of the lemon juice and diluted vinegar--drop your karma and your drawers and join some nudists in your area for some fun n sun!
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vinyasi
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 Posted - 09/27/2004 : 12:14:29 AM
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Originally posted by wannabe2
Yinyasi,I read your post a couple of times.WOW you said a mouthfull.My suggestion to you is get rid of the lemon juice and diluted vinegar--drop your karma and your drawers and join some nudists in your area for some fun n sun!
wannabe2
I get your hint....
Actually, the karma is group oriented since I acquire it by disrobing in public rather than in private. So, any debit is shared by observer and participant alike. But alas, the law monopolizes who should be found at fault --- needless to say, the conformist-observer is left out of the picture by claiming that he/she is the exclusive victim and society is also blameless. Little does the majority of society know that everyone pays for the presence of indecency laws: nudist and prude alike. If there are venues for nudists to "do their thing", then the nudist circumstantialy bypasses this flaw.
The majority figures that all that is needed are venues decided by majoritive policy decisions, such as: family life, and personally, intimate relationships (or prearrangements which are mutually agreed upon, such as: a nudist colony or free-beach or travel-group). They probably figure that "free-market" and "consumer-driven" choices are what makes a society healthy, rather than conformity to narrowly, bound policies. But "free nudity" is not subservient to anyone or anything, but the nudist himself. This irritates people (like my neighbors) who view nudists who are beholden to no one else other than themselves as unfairly saddling them with a burden of some sort, namely: the lack of social control inherent within self-determination. They don't seem to like this too much which is why I felt the need to come up with a solution. In general terms: it is to put more emphasis on quickly overcoming stress rather than quickly overcoming someone else's self-rule with socially or personally, enforced rulership. This puts more emphasis on individual growth and less emphasis on social growth of rules and procedures whose predominant focus is helping people who are inherently intolerant of one another to somehow make-do at getting along rather than fixing the problem more closer to its source: the self of whoever is irritated.
Also, Los Angeles has succumbed to severe competition against the existence of any landed nudist camps or free beaches. The occasional exhibitionist is now seen as a threat to peaceful coexistence rather than merely laughed off as it was thirty years ago. The nude body hasn't changed. What else could be making it more dangerous than it was? And is this an inherent danger or a competitive one? Of course, the law makes no such distinction. It rolls competition and inherency all into one wiener (hot) dog.
The World Book Encyclopeadia of 1969 lists "mob rule" as one of three types of tyranny besides oligarchy (tyranny of aristocracy) and the individual monarch as tyrant. Democracy runs the risk of sugar-coating majoritive tyranny as well as denying that it exists whenever the majority leaves no room for exceptions. The disabled get handicapped parking places, but what does the nudist get, disabled by public indecency laws? A slap in the face!
Unfortunately for me, I never grew up among other nudists, but among non-nudists tolerant of myself at a time and place when tolerance was more widespread. But neither factor is the case now and I still desire to believe in the inherent irrelevance of "offendability" to my conduct. That's the observer's responsibility, not mine. My responsibility is to "our problem" of getting along together in a world composed of unique view points and increasingly pressing, personal and social, policy choices involving idealogical correctness.
In one sense, our technology has made life more co
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vinyasi
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 12:52:05 AM
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ummmmm lot of similarities between two of our posters....??
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Who's the other one? Maybe I should head on over to his/her topic(s)?
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wannabe2
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 08:45:58 AM
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Yinyasi;read ur last post and your profile,now I understand;I think.Are you a left-over from the Haight-Ashbury days of the 70's?Forget that you are a writer.In two short sentences tell us what you're trying to say.
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vinyasi
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 Posted - 09/27/2004 : 10:55:54 AM
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Originally posted by wannabe2
Yinyasi;read ur last post and your profile,now I understand;I think.Are you a left-over from the Haight-Ashbury days of the 70's?Forget that you are a writer.In two short sentences tell us what you're trying to say.
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Does this do the job?:
It's "shoot the outsider" these days outside of the client/provider relationship. Competition is king and peace, brotherly tolerance, and compassionate understanding is out of fashion. I guess they don't pay as well.
Freedom to make and spend money must be more important than freedom to spend and make time for pursuits which don't cost anything.
I am from the 70's, although not from Haight-Ashbury --- more like, from: Bel Air/Brentwood of Los Angeles.
Maybe I'm spoiled and "getting real" is a disappointment. Or maybe I missed my chance to get satisfied when it used to be hip and now it's too late. Oh, poo! I always was a late-bloomer.....
Haight-Ashbury, where are you when we need you? And who are the flower-power children of today? Nudists? Maybe I should switch to another format for flower-empowering myself?
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vinyasi
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 Posted - 09/27/2004 : 11:49:03 AM
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Originally posted by wannabe2
....In two short sentences tell us what you're trying to say.
wannabe2
Or maybe this does the trick?:
Maybe codependency is "in" (and more than merely "in" --- socially required) and independence is "out"?
There it is. I never thought that I could get it pared down to one or two, short sentences in just one attempt.....
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jdr
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 12:10:20 PM
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Now I am beginning to understand... For us old flower children you just gotta keep it simple.
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Cheri
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 12:57:57 PM
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vinyasi, You said that there are no nudist options in LA. I can direct you to the SCNA, a nonlanded club in which many of the former Elysium members take part.
Nudist Parks are a distance from you.
Regards, Cheri
Doing what I can to positively promote nudism
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wannabe2
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Posted - 09/27/2004 : 8:40:22 PM
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Way to go Yinyasi!You did it! We do not require lengthy diatribes on this forum.In answer to your question about me and the 70's;I was busy earining a living for my family.I was not a flower-child;but I was a rebel.I fought the good fight as a unionist for my brothers and myself.In keeping with the thread--If you're a nudist just to show the establishment;than you're doing it for the wrong reasons.( if you want to fight them become a politician)Be a nudist for your own well-being.(I belive you can relate to that)To hell with what (they) think;you're a nudist and you do it because it makes you feel good.OOOps! went past two sentences.P.S. we ALL have to stay within the law.
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vinyasi
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 Posted - 09/28/2004 : 12:51:16 PM
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Way to go Yinyasi!You did it! We do not require lengthy diatribes on this forum.
I was searching for an answer. Codependency is not the answer; it's a symptom of the problem. Compassion is the answer.
Wealth doesn't grow on trees. Compassion generates it, but wealth is not always appreciated right away. Oftentimes, wealth generated from acts of compassion will arrive at another time and place and under different circumstances. [Unless you're strictly a materialist and want: the payback, the comeuppance, or whatever is your due, back right away!]
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wannabe2: you're a nudist and you do it because it makes you feel good.
In order to restrict my practice of nudity to merely make myself feel good, requires that I inherently mistrust strangers. I am not sure I can inherently believe in mistrusting my fellow man. I certainly have acquired mistrust after having met with unkindness from strangers who were concerned about my "nude acts of compassion". But what I have acquired and what I am innately are not conjoined twin-beliefs. Thus do I (mentally) meander (and flip-flop) my way among mistrust on the one hand and naivete on the other. I prefer the latter. I prefer to think that everyone is worth trusting, even if they don't show it --- and even if they display the opposite.
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wannabe2: In answer to your question about me and the 70's;I was busy earining a living for my family.
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( if you want to fight them become a politician)
Pragmatism is a teacher. I don't claim to be practical. I've tended to be blindly idealistic. At least politicians are practical by endeavoring to form a quorum of consensus (first) before engaging in anything. But I tend to do the opposite: engage in something in disrespect of prearranged agreements. But that is because I act alone.
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wannabe2: I was not a flower-child;but I was a rebel.I fought the good fight as a unionist for my brothers and myself.In keeping with the thread--If you're a nudist just to show the establishment;than you're doing it for the wrong reasons.
What are the wrong reasons?
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wannabe2: Be a nudist for your own well-being.(I belive you can relate to that)To hell with what (they) think;
That has been my attitude up until now. But it is not forgetting what they have recently told me that boggs me down. [Threats of various sorts and not merely coming from strangers, but from a family member.]
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wannabe2: you're a nudist and you do it because it makes you feel good.
That was my motivation starting out as a teenager. But now it brings mixed blessings. I guess I am too much a purist/perfectionist and am disappointed. Eeeee gads! Some of us adolescents never seem to grow up!
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wannabe2
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Posted - 09/28/2004 : 2:42:47 PM
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Vinyasi,amongst all the dozens and dozens of posts I've read on different topics and problems;why do your posts seem so negative?Generally speaking you have to trust nudists because they are naked just like you are.There are always the odd one that is(at a nudist club)for reasons other than companionship and fun and sun;they won't last long.My suggestion to you is GET THE HELL OUT OF L.A.Move to some place along the coast were the people are more friendly towards nudists. You can write whatever it is you write anywhere.I am loath to say this but that city has turned you into a cynic.You are an intellegent person;use some of it to move on;it's done all the time.
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vinyasi
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Posted - 09/30/2004 : 7:18:54 PM
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Vinyasi,amongst all the dozens and dozens of posts I've read on different topics and problems;why do your posts seem so negative?
I am sorry to have burdened you. This is unfair of me. Although I am relieved for having vented my frustrations, this may have not been the best way to go about it (but I am at a loss as to how to have gone about it).
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Generally speaking you have to trust nudists because they are naked just like you are.There are always the odd one that is(at a nudist club)for reasons other than companionship and fun and sun;they won't last long.
I'll trust your assessment.
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My suggestion to you is GET THE HELL OUT OF L.A.Move to some place along the coast were the people are more friendly towards nudists.
My competitors are my teachers which in some respects is worth more than my friends whenever I am too busy having a good time to listen to the advise of friends. I put too much emphasis on what my competitors would like to do with me and read too much into it which puts me at a loss at times on how to walk a narrow line among everyone. Your truth set me straight. My cynicism is uncalled for. Please forgive my narrow vision.
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You can write whatever it is you write anywhere.I am loath to say this but that city has turned you into a cynic.You are an intellegent person;use some of it to move on;it's done all the time.
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