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| Bare Warrior |
Posted - 03/31/2008 : 5:26:45 PM
Hi everyone,
There has been a lot of discussion on the board lately about nudity, sex and swinging. Unfortunately a lot of posters seem to be oblivious to the real world and see nothing wrong with nudists, exhibitionists, swingers, and pornstars hanging out in the same place.
Well, unfortunately I think we are about to see why nudists must guard their sanctuaries very carefully and AANR must stop ignoring its own standards of conduct.
Every paper in the Tampa region and many nationally as well, had an article last week about the PORN School going on in Pasco County this past weekend. Many of these articles equated Porn with Nudism; Courtney Cummz proclaimed she was a nudist and got her start in porn while working in a nude resort in Pasco County. She says she is a member in "good" standing at - - and one has to wonder where this wonderful sexy place was where the school was run. Maybe - -, Dohhhhh!
We see where Cheri is having to renew a fight in SC over nudity laws that she thought was defeated. This revelation that porn stars get their start at nudist resorts and that porn movies are likely made in nude resorts should really make her job easier. So now how likely is it that Pasco County is going to continue to support nudism when most people think its strictly a cover for porn.
So all the work AANR and real nudists have accomplished has taken a big hit. It will be interesting to see just how much damage this publicity has caused.
I really like being able to relax nude on the beach and in places like Cypress Cove and - -. It really ticks me off that all those of you that aren't nudists are screwing things up.
Bare Warrior
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| Hawk |
Posted - 03/28/2009 : 08:40:24 AM
Whatever. The truth is that to survive as a business you cater to the clients that pay. The tired old broke hippies of "true nudism" are dying out and are being succeeded by a younger swinging crowd. Over 50% of the people that go to - - are swingers anyway. Now they won't have to walk on eggshells about that or anything else anymore.
Hawk
Edited by - Admin to remove the name of a resort now describing itself as "lifestyle friendly". |
| Warmskin |
Posted - 03/07/2009 : 6:08:34 PM
Well said, Al! Also, let's not forget that while we nudists know, or should know the difference between swingers and nudists, the general public should be educated in this, too. If they are not even remotely informed of the difference, in their minds swinging and nudism will be the same to them, because their misinformed concepts.
Our job is to inform them as to the difference, by whatever capacity we have.
"Rock and Roll, man, on K-WASH FM, yo, raaaaap with me, mama, with 50 Cent. Git it on, Baby! "
George Washington
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| NudeAl |
Posted - 03/07/2009 : 1:05:18 PM
I am a live and let live kind of guy and I can see that what happens behind closed doors between conscenting adults is their own business. On the other hand though if that is the pervasive over arching vibe (for lack of a better word) of the establishment then I don't feel comfortable there. I don't think I am better than anyone else it is just not my scene. I don't want to feel like the old prude I just think you should be at least as discrete about offers and invitations in a nudist environment as you would be in a non-nudist environment. So as long as it dosen't ruin the feel of the place and is not pervaisive in that it effects how things are percieved by the majority of nudists then I am okay with it. But I don't want to belong to a club that is known far and wide as a swingers destination or a resort that caters to swingers groups on any occaision. Nudist and swinging are not the same thing as we here all know and they can co-exist but care should be taken that nudists never get the feeling they are nudists visiting a swingers resort.
The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep. -- Robert Frost
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| Hawk |
Posted - 03/07/2009 : 09:54:54 AM
If people are doing what they want behind closed doors, what difference does it make to everyone else? The camp we live at has lots of swingers and you would never know who they are until they come on to you. We've never had what I would call a rude offer. Of course my girlfriend gets a lot more invitations than I do.
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| creuse67 |
Posted - 07/09/2008 : 4:37:06 PM
Laird Nachtan has missed the point. I'm a NATURIST, when I go on holiday I expect to meet NATURISTS, perhaps it's me but I much prefer the word naturist to the word nudist, perhaps it's a cultural difference. When I go on holiday I do not wish to be confronted by others who are there for the sex. OK I'm narrow minded. But if I see hoardings or leaflets like 'swingers club' etc. I think I've gone to the wrong place. I am not a prude, but I do not wish to be confronted by the sweet innocents of swingers. I'm a naturist which does not involve swingers. The swingers do definitely take advantage of the facilities provided by naturists. I love naturist sites that say that they are family orientated, I do not go with my family, but it is that such sites are TRUE naturists and do not cater for the others.
Laird, which is a Scottish word for Lord, does not impress me by saying that he is a naturist and simply takes advantage of facilities at naturist resorts. I have seen it at Cap d'Agde and there is no way I would go there again. So do not pretend that the line you are taking is all sweet and innocent, you are taking advantage of 'true' naturist facilities and while you pretend that you don't intrude or invade the 'true' naturist you have an effect on the site.
I am a single male, I am a naturist, I do not wish to indulge in these extra facilities offered. I want a happy naturist holiday with family orientated people. The atmosphere created by such swingers does influence the naturist site itself.
I would like to point out that I do like sex, like almost every other human being, but I keep that well aside from enjoyment of holidays.
So let's not mess about, the swingers influence I have seen and I do not like it for naturist sites. Go to swingers clubs, there surely are plenty about. When I go on a naturist holiday, yes as a single male, I want to be a naturist and nothing more. Because that is what I like and want.
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| Jamiemazda |
Posted - 07/09/2008 : 1:01:30 PM
To Jezebel - I fully agree with your statement. I firmly believe that people can be both. I feel a person can be a nudist and a swinger too. The person simply needs to follow the rules when in that environment whether it be a beach, swinger party, nude resort and so on.
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Originally posted by SweetJezebel
My husband and I enjoy both "pure" nudism and swinger/sex-friendly nudism.
I have no problem with the sex industry itself, and if porn stars want to go to adult resorts and clubs to be nude or do whatever, then that's their business. And, for the record, nudism and sex work and/or swinging are not mutually exclusive. (Take me and my husband, for example.) A person can be a "true" nudist but also enjoy swinging, or work in the sex industry. It's not always an "either-or" situation.
Sincerely,
Jamie |
| StuffedTiger |
Posted - 07/07/2008 : 01:10:23 AM
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Originally posted by LairdNachtan
... My point is, what we do behind the doors of our own trailer or in the trailer of a like minded friend in an appropriate place should not be restricted by conservative nudists who wish to return to the good old days of yesteryear.
It's a good point, but what is the moral and ethical basis? The conservative sees your trailer rocking one year with another couple and wonders if it will be the loungers by the pool the next year?
I am wondering if the philosophy proposed just after of your comment ("Nobody has the right to force our bodies to be their sex object.") gives you a reasonable moral and ethical basis as agde seems to feel we need to have. Here's the argument: What you do in your trailer between consenting adults does not involve any force. OTOH, doing it out on the lounger sexualizes that area and anybody in it, whether they want that or not.
You wouldn't force that sexualization on anybody else. Right? If so, then that is at least one moral and ethical basis for drawing the line where you do, and it is independent of religious or political differences.
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| agde |
Posted - 07/05/2008 : 1:41:52 PM
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Originally posted by StuffedTiger
...Why should all nudists become sex objects just because someone who was a nudist chooses to be a sex object?
...The answer is that we still have a better moral framework than our accusers, one based on basic human rights, a moral framework that clearly illuminates the real evil - forced sexuality.
The crux of the matter is indeed the link made with morality and human dignity. Sexuality can embrace both or neither. Naturism argues that it must be both. Porn glorifies objectification and sexual pleasure de-linked from moral and ethical issues. This is why naturists must always be quick to insist that anyone calling themselves a nudist/naturist must adhere to higher minimum standards in thought, word and deed. It is ultimately not an issue of sexuality, but if we are not alert and clear about the central issue of mutual respect and human dignity, naturism can very easily fall prey to hijackers on the low road.
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| go n nude |
Posted - 07/05/2008 : 10:44:39 AM
Sexism is not nudism, i think everyone would agree and to each your own. The problems we get when the two try to co-exsist, we've seen and heard of experiences. A resort can be hy-jacked or ruined by some individuals bent on sexism and they'll blame nudism who will blame sexism. The masquerade of family friedly resorts some of which are hurting this lifestyle more than many realize ?? is a growing concern for all nudists who choose non-sexual nudism and enjoy it. They won't/don't fool everybody in the long run only themselves can they blame. Free will does have its retributions and is guaranteed as history has shown. Nudism is not sexism or adults only,hy-jacking this lifestyle into deviation is just they're wishful thinking , they'll find out the hard way or right way for sure.
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| LairdNachtan |
Posted - 07/04/2008 : 12:50:08 PM
Some of the posts to this blog reference what appears to be a concern over "Real" nudism as opposed to those who get naked in order to make money. Those same posts might be seen as a desire to inhibit clubs and owners of clubs from allowing casual nudists and others who don't view nudism as a full time occupation to enjoy the benefits of getting out of their clothes. If your club allows you to give input into the rules which govern your actions, by all means restrict the place from those who don't fall into a restrictive participant category.
I am a nudist and have been for years. I am also a full blown swinger who can divorce his sex life from getting naked. In the past my wife and I were members at resorts modeled after the old European clubs where sports and physical well being were the order of the day. Over time, playing hours of volleyball paled. Still, we managed to give our children the option to attend a resort or not as they chose. One did and she is a nudist today at age twenty something. One did not and that was her choice. Regardless, we parked our sexuality at the door of our trailer not at the gate of the park. There was a sign outside that cheerfully noted "If This Trailer Is Rockin' Don't Come Knocking" and I cheerfully admit I stole that saying from another couple met at our very first resort.
There are resorts that allow a more liberal stand in regards to sexuality. Most of the ones I have visited that permit discrete parties also restrict the resort to children. You can see the point I believe. We can attend such a place if we wish but we need to leave the kidlings at home being watched over by someone old enough to be responsible. In the truly swinger resorts a whole different approach to life as a nudism exists. I and my wife chose not to go to those and continued to point to our sign about rocking trailers. We partied hard when a party was an option and we didn't mind if clothes weren't even a consideration. There were friends who were conservative nudists and then there were friends who also enjoyed a sexual relationship. We managed somehow to enjoy being around both types of people, even one couple we know were involved deeply in the making of Porn, but when the sun was out, we were nothing if not hard core nudists. My point is, what we do behind the doors of our own trailer or in the trailer of a like minded friend in an appropriate place should not be restricted by conservative nudists who wish to return to the good old days of yesteryear. |
| StuffedTiger |
Posted - 07/04/2008 : 04:31:19 AM
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Originally posted by Bare Warrior
Every paper in the Tampa region and many nationally as well, had an article last week about the PORN School going on in Pasco County this past weekend. Many of these articles equated Porn with Nudism...
They have always equated porn with nudism. They will continue to do so until Nudism adopts a philosophy that can sustain an effective offense. One philosophy is, "Nobody has the right to force our bodies to be their sex object."
A person can turn their own body into other people's sex object. Actors in porn films do that, but just because one person agrees to be a sex object does not mean everybody has to be a sex object. Nobody should force us to be their sex object unless we agree. Even a wife is not her husband's sex object unless she agrees. If she does agree, that does not mean the wife next door becomes the husband's sex object too.
Why should all nudists become sex objects just because someone who was a nudist chooses to be a sex object?
How can we let some reporter get away with forcing each of us to be his sex object. Who gives her that right? Why should we have to decorate our crotches and breasts with colored textiles to draw attention to the fact that our bodies are now their sex object?
We cannot go on living in fear of that. It is we who give them the power to do that to us. Every time there is a problem, and there will always be another problem, we let them kick our asses. No. The problem is that there are people who do evil no matter what moral framework you give them.
The answer is that we still have a better moral framework than our accusers, one based on basic human rights, a moral framework that clearly illuminates the real evil - forced sexuality. What do they offer instead? That we should hide our natural human bodies, our gift from our Creator, in shame, because it is the evil?
In a diverse society, we certainly have to make our case without deriding those who think otherwise, but we have a very strong case, and it is not that nudists never engage in sexual behaviors. It is that none of those behaviors are to be forced by any presumption whatsoever. Nudists say nobody has that right.
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| SweetJezebel |
Posted - 07/03/2008 : 8:21:55 PM
I think that, for the most part, people who want a more "adult" nudist atmosphere are going to go to resorts and clubs where that's more acceptable. I don't think porn stars are suddenly going to start flooding into family-friendly nudist resorts and have sex in the hot tubs.
My husband and I enjoy both "pure" nudism and swinger/sex-friendly nudism. We choose our vacation destinations according to what type of nudism we're in the mood for. Just as I appreciate having a place like Cypress Cove to visit, I also appreciate that places like - - * and Hedonism exist.
I have no problem with the sex industry itself, and if porn stars want to go to adult resorts and clubs to be nude or do whatever, then that's their business. And, for the record, nudism and sex work and/or swinging are not mutually exclusive. (Take me and my husband, for example.) A person can be a "true" nudist but also enjoy swinging, or work in the sex industry. It's not always an "either-or" situation.
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* - I know that - - is not a swingers resort, despite what many nudists seem to want to believe. However, it is a bit more open to the lifestyle than most US-based resorts, which is why I referenced it here. |
| lddoobbl |
Posted - 07/03/2008 : 5:36:13 PM
I've been fascinated in this dilemma! The uninitiated(and many journalists) would be inclined to lump us all together. I've wondered what makes porn stars tick, and I've found they're often exhibitionists, not nudists. Still, there's a fine line between nudism and exhibitionism. Let's face it, it takes a certain level of confidence/comfort with your body—in both instances—to go nude. However, given a choice to go nude forever, a nudist would choose to do so while an exhibitionist might not. Regardless, there's more money in it for the resorts to include both.
My question is: how important are resorts like - - to nudism? Afterall, they're always be some remote meadow to retreat to. |
| Tuffers |
Posted - 04/28/2008 : 05:21:44 AM
I totally agree with you Eleanor and that is why I and Mrs Tuffers are selective as to what clubs we would want to join or visit. The CCBN in the UK are I am sure similar to the AANR in the USA and clubs affiliated to the British Naturism organisation are quite safe to visit.
Tuffers
PS Nice to see another member from the south east of UK!!! |
| go n nude |
Posted - 04/26/2008 : 4:49:12 PM
The end of nudism, No, not likely we really hope. Clubs/Resorts are private property and are useally run by owners for profit. They are free to operate as they wish, and cater to any groups they choose, unfortunately some undesireable activities/groups and we get the bad reputation/publicity to some degree as a whole.The biggest majority of clubs have good reputations and will not and don't tolerate Sexism or deviant behavior at any time.The AANR &other National organizations don,t condone it either i'm sure. Sex clubs/Swinger clubs aren't helping Nude recreation they are deviating it. I,m hopeing this isn't the trend/future we all fear.
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