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| balataf |
Posted - 01/30/2011 : 12:26:10 AM
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Among the more nonsensical actions of the current Admin, like banning traditional litebulbs, comes the odyssey of the electric car push.
In colder weatherm the batteries of standard trucks and cars have trouble. When it gets down around 0 degrees Fahrenheit, they are sometimes unusable for starting up. Evidently, the situation is much worse for the electric cars. Battery efficiency falls as it gets cold, and cars will run out of power very much more quickly. If the heater is used to keep the driver and passengers warmer, the problem is compounded. This is exactly equal to loss of power from running out of gas, except that once you have gas, you still need the battery to begin.
So, they want everyone to pay doble the price for a vehicle whose utility is questionable for long parts of the year in most of the nation. Recharging still then requires burning fossil fuel with poor efficiency, or using nuclear power.
The entire project needs to prove itself in commercial competition, before we waste alot of money. If it was such a good idea, they would not need to push it so hard with government rather than just watching investors flock to put their money in to it.
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 09/13/2011 : 01:16:31 AM
Hmm, nude is green. Now that is one way to convert some of the textile-obsessive folks to nudism.
Think of all the detergent we could save - that might be green, too. I think environmentalists who don't go nude are hypocrites! Now there is a revolutionary thought.
Could be the start of a new movement. 
"I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind."
Thomas Jefferson
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| Diger |
Posted - 09/11/2011 : 9:48:23 PM
Well said Bob,
Your going to fit rite in here. Guess I'll be wearing my Green Suit tomorrow. LOL
Maybe we could get Green Suit Mondays at work places all across the country.
Diger |
| Bob Knows |
Posted - 09/11/2011 : 7:44:16 PM
Hi guys. Bob Knows here, new member.
I didn't read all the previous pages so forgive me if this has been said before.
For years I've complained about all the oil and energy wasted on clothing. All that polyester is pure oil. Lots of energy is used fabricating oil into swim suits, shirts, etc. Even "natural" clothes like cotton jeans takes a lot of oil to farm, harvest, and fabricate.
And of course the manufacturing cost in energy does not count all the distribution and marketing cost, or the cost of laundry and laundry and laundry.
The only "green" clothes is naked. Anyone wearing anything more is not sincere about conservation of natural resources.
Blessings
Bob
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 09/07/2011 : 12:11:36 AM
Hi Diger,
I didn't know about the toxins in LEDs. Makes me wonder now! Non-toxic candles? More romantic, to be sure. Other than sunshine, it's difficult to think of a ultra-safe light (keeping in mind that too much sun can be harmful, too. Hanging around fireflies might be safe.
Hmm, maybe darkness isn't so bad after all, or the old incandescent bulb was not so bad either. We just can't win!
"I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind."
Thomas Jefferson
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| Diger |
Posted - 09/04/2011 : 5:54:58 PM
Warm,
There is also a problem with the LEDs, depending on the color of the bulb they contain high levels of other toxins like lead. I agree they are much better alternative to the CFLs and the mercury they contain.
Diger |
| Warmskin |
Posted - 09/03/2011 : 10:51:17 PM
Balataf has introduced a new twist that recommends my answering in the political thread, as to discussions about gov't per se. Nevertheless, I will endeavor to address his thoughts here. I am fully willing to continue to address his thinking in that other thread so that we can continue this spin-off elsewhere.
I am incredulous that he would think that our nation's founding documents are useless today. That is right out of neoconservative alleged "thinking." FDR would be proud of that stuff. Of course, G. W. Bush said the Constitution was "just a g**d*** piece of paper," but who would claim him to be their mental leader? Such confessions!!!
The Founding Fathers are always relevant, because while technology and cultural values change, mankind's nature does not. Mankind will always be mankind, and what rules the self today, will rule the self tomorrow. Hence, human nature is a constant. The Founders worked with human nature in mind. Did you think that people were highly biologically different back in 1787? If so, what changes in basic mankind do you profess here?
The Founders' thoughts are fixed, and have led us in the right direction, although people like Nancy Pelosi and G.W. Bush see no connection between today and our Founders' thoughts. With this continual defiance of our Constitution, people like them have brought our nation to the brink of its ruin. I have no clue as to what nation Bush and Pelosi think they live in.
If our true Founders have no relevancy today, our "Founders" must be George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Nancy Pelosi, Donny Rusmfeld, Obama, Barney Frank, and Biden. Right? Perhaps you're thinking of a different nation, like the old USSR. I'm thinking in terms of American concepts. I happen to think the US Constitution has complete relevancy, but then I'm neither a Democrat or Republican, and that gives me independence of political dogma. I prefer karma to dogma in a manner of speaking, although from my own theological belief system as to what good karma is.
The real Founders would have abhored the mandatory nature of CFLs and other mandates on the free markets, perhaps except for Hamilton. Absolute gov't power over private vehicles has no American value, except to those who want concentration of power in Wash. D.C.
As long as there are free markets, I should be able to choose what I want to do with my after-tax dollars. If I prefer incandescent lights, gasoline-powered cars, that is my business. Unlimited power in our nation's "capital" is a hindrance to my neighbor's and my own freedom to choose.
The other day, I saw a gorgeous 1955 Packard Caribbean on a nearby highway.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rexgray/4949577267/
It was pure cherry. White colored and well taken care of. I honked in approval of the car and the driver waved back to me. I'm sure there are some politicians who would love to see that car taken off the road and have it sent to the wrecking yard, so the metal can go to build a 2012 Yugo or something like that. Fortunately for that classic car owner, that sort of law does not exist yet. It's the freedom of choice that our Founders recognized in mankind, as being completely innate, that allows that fellow the right to have that car.
I know of no modern document that has superceded our Constitution and Declaration of Independence because we are inheritantly different today than we were hundreds or thousands of years ago. Nonsense, we are just as free today as we were back then. It's just that we have voluntarily let the politicians rules us to a greater degree. It's our free choice to be ruled as if we were children.
"I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind."
Thomas Jefferson
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| balataf |
Posted - 09/02/2011 : 11:29:59 AM
Edison illustrates it well, changing circumstances can make him and other Founding Fathers less relevant on problems that did not exist when they were around. Warmskin has made a very good point! |
| Warmskin |
Posted - 09/01/2011 : 9:17:46 PM
Congress must pass laws, and not a president. Many people keep looking to the president as the source of new laws. I can't blame them, though because of our unenlightened school system.
A president can veto bills like the CFL bills, but if the bill regarding CFL bulbs were not vetoed, then Bush may be held in contempt for his failure to veto.
By the way, my oldest CFL burned out the other day. I'm not sure how to get rid of it, but I did put the durned thing into a plastic bag, and I placed that in another plastic bag along with some old paper towels for cushioning, and so on. I may put a sign inside the outside transparent bag stating that there is a CFL inside. Maybe there is a federal form I'm supposed to fill out in triplicate, and am required to have it notarized. Not really sure.
At some time in the future, there will be 10s of millions of discarded CFLs. What will gov't do about all these toxic bulbs? Bury them in a desert and make sure no one builds a home within 100 miles of the site?
To me, LEDs are a better answer, even without studying up on them. As far as I know, they are not hazardous when you eventually throw them away. Until then, bring back the incadescent light bulbs.
On an aside, seems everything Edison invented is no longer being used -- records, lights, analogue movie cameras using using film, DC power to homes, record players. Odd to see him becoming passe.
Another thing to do is install more (can't think of the term - mental blankout) skylights (?). They bring plenty of light in during the day, where it otherwise would be dark in parts of the house. They are not that expensive. Of course, at night, they're useless, unless you live under a powerful street light, and there is a full moon out.
"I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind."
Thomas Jefferson
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| jbsnc |
Posted - 09/01/2011 : 12:15:20 PM
blavan, "The edict to ban traditional lightbulbs was set in stone by the powers that were before the current administration."
I failed to find any reference to the current administration creating the CFL movement Can you show me?
"like noting that those tea party rallies showing thousands of people in attendance at an events that were filmed in a different season of the year."
Did they claim it was the same event?
Happy Nuding. |
| blavan |
Posted - 09/01/2011 : 09:29:58 AM
Now hold on there. The edict to ban traditional lightbulbs was set in stone by the powers that were before the current administration. Let us get the facts right, like noting that those tea party rallies showing thousands of people in attendance at an events that were filmed in a different season of the year. I am not one who typically gets into political discussions, but can we just be accurate here?
Being Naked and Being Real |
| balataf |
Posted - 08/31/2011 : 2:16:42 PM
'Green jobs' promise something for nothing By: David Freddoso
08/30/11
.Spanish economist Gabriel Calzada caused the central economic planners' heads to explode in March 2009 when he released a study showing every "green job" the Spanish government was creating with its regime of open-ended subsidies was simultaneously devouring enough resources to create 2.2 jobs in Spain's private sector.
"Green jobs," the professor concluded, were economic losers, destroyers of wealth and productivity. What's worse, 70 percent of them were short-lived installation gigs, not long-term jobs at all.
Spain's socialist government, which had presented "green jobs" as the way out of the country's economic problems (perhaps that sounds familiar), reacted to Calzada's study with fury. The Industrial Ministry took the incredible step of trying to make his university disavow his work. But behind the scenes, the same government officials were quietly coming to the same conclusions as Calzada.
In the United States, Calzada's study upset the wind power lobby, environmentalists, and the Obama administration. American liberals tried to argue that Calzada had erred by doing what is obvious to everyone outside of government who uses money -- he accounted for the opportunity costs of government spending.
Imagine that - an economist who doesn't assume that you can get something for nothing.
Since then, Calzada has been proven right in nearly every metric. Spain has a serious sovereign debt crisis -- not helped much by its commitment of 11 percent of Spain's gross domestic product to subsidize renewable energy. The renewables program will cost the Spanish crown four times what it had originally budgeted.
The government is trying to wiggle out of its already-promised subsidies, which could generate legal problems or else a banking collapse. Unemployment in Spain exceeds 20 percent. Spanish industry is paying inflated prices for energy -- causing greater inefficiency and more job losses.
Speaking with me this week, Calzada expressed amazement that in the wake of his own nation's failure in this area, a few progressive members of Congress still want to drive the United States off the same cliff.
"How is it possible, having the example of Spain. ... Why would you like to repeat the same story?" It's a great question.
In reality, Calzada wasn't nearly bearish enough on green energy welfare. His study did not explore the consequences of the artificially high electricity prices the Spanish scheme has created for industry and residential customers.
He didn't try to measure the economic damage caused by misallocation of private investment. After all, thousands of Spaniards withdrew good investments and borrowed against home equity to install potentially worthless solar panels -- what if their capital had been invested to create real jobs instead of simply chasing government subsidies?
The central planners in Spain, much like President Obama with his stimulus package, assumed that they could get something -- a lot of really good jobs -- for nothing. They were wrong. People who think that way are always wrong.
David Freddoso at the Washington Examiner: |
| balataf |
Posted - 08/20/2011 : 12:32:54 PM
"Green Jobs, Red Faces" from Investor's Business Daily
Posted 08/19/2011
Industrial Policy: The fact that President Obama's "green jobs" campaign has been an enormously expensive failure is now so glaringly obvious even the New York Times can't ignore it any longer.
In a surprisingly candid article headlined "Number of Green Jobs Fails to Live Up to Promises," the Times' Aaron Glantz reports that "federal and state efforts to stimulate creation of green jobs have largely failed, government records show," and that Obama's goal of 5 million new green jobs in 10 years is a "pipe dream."
Glantz notes, for example, that Obama's much-heralded weatherization program "never caught on."
California still has spent only about half its $186 million in federal weatherization funds, creating a grand total of 538 full-time jobs. He also points to the $59 million spent in California on green job training that resulted in just 719 placements.
Glantz isn't the first mainstream reporter to discover this. Earlier in the year, Politico reported that "nearly three years into Obama's presidency, the White House can't point to much solid evidence that significant numbers of Americans are scoring the green jobs the president has been touting."
And even some Democrats are growing weary of the administration's relentless green jobs blather.
"Of course, we want to be part of the new innovation and green jobs," Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., said recently. "But you know, the green jobs have been about a lot of talk, and not a lot has been happening on that."
For anyone who's followed this story, these failures shouldn't be news. The weatherization program, for example, has long been plagued by scandal and needless red tape.
And as we've pointed out in this space, the landscape is increasingly littered with failed "green" companies unable to survive in the marketplace even with huge government subsidies.
But the Obama administration still has its head buried under a pile of solar panels, with the president endlessly touring "clean" factories, pushing electric cars consumers don't want and talking about politically correct "jobs of the future."
Then again, if the Times can see the light, there might still be hope for Obama.
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 08/19/2011 : 04:58:01 AM
Hmm, I wonder if you could hire a technician to remove the GPS and then you could keep the durned thing at home. That might be illegal, in which case, I would not recommend that. Or, you could do like those whackos and put tin foil all over your car so the GPS would be rendered useless, but again that might be illegal and silly looking, so I would not recommend not doing that. I would recommend voting out all the legislators who voted for the GPSs to be put in the cars.
Only gov't could screw up the relationship between mankind and his car.
"Whenever a man has cast a longing eye on offices, a rottenness begins in his (and her) conduct."
Thomas Jefferson |
| JimmieMac51 |
Posted - 08/18/2011 : 2:00:20 PM
I read today that some states are already looking into taxing you for the miles you drive. This is because, not only a few more electric and hybrid vehicles, but also because people are driving less because of the high gas prices. A device can track you by GPS.
Jimmie
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| Warmskin |
Posted - 08/18/2011 : 02:50:35 AM
The economics of the green cars is that they will be so expensive, that the lower financial echelons of people will not be able to afford them, and thus will continue to drive their old clunkers that get lousy gas mileage.
The one thing that will be green is that these poorer people will not be able to drive very much. However, that is not at all a desirable result. People should be free to drive where they want, in accordance to their ability to pay for the wear and tear on their car.
I fear that in the future, the politicians will force car companies to install some device that will report how many miles you drove to the gov't. Thus yet another freedom will be lost, but the greenies will think that is wonderful. They won't give a thought to personal freedoms that should be the hallmark of American life.
Think in terms of 2111. What will be the norm of that year. You can bet that transportation will be quite unfree in terms of where you can go and when you can travel from point A to B.
I would think that a statue of Al Gore will be in front of the building which houses the Department of Automobile Travel. Of course, many other departments will exist in 2111.
The schools in 2111 will teach the children that Americans in 2011 were horrible and ignorant people who were arrogant enough to drive where they wanted in a vehicle of their choice, but that will be pure propaganda on the part of the school systems and the Dept. of "Education."
Could well be that the UN will force all nations to have only one type of car -- golf carts - one per family. Naturally, we'd have to develop a lot more electricity by then. Golf carts are not self-propelled for very long. Not even the Enegizer Bunny can work that hard. Poor little guy will die of heat exhaustion, and PETA will start to battle against electric cars. Okay, that last sentence was more allegorical than real, but you folks get the point.
"Whenever a man has cast a longing eye on offices, a rottenness begins in his (and her) conduct."
Thomas Jefferson |
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