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nzadult
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Posted - 09/02/2009 :  9:57:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is a shame that society has become so hung up about nudity and connecting it to shame and sex rather than a natural state of being. We have a family nudity album which sits on our bookshelf with all the other family albums - photos of children playing and bathing and what have you - the natural state of children - but we clearly mark it for visitors so they know it is not for general viewing. My children often get that and other albums out to look at and remember the good times and holidays we had. I refuse to be afraid to live life and enjoy memories of my children growing up because people are too hung up because of societal conservatism. Child pornography is an abomination that needs to be dealt to - recording your family growing up is a joy that needs to be celebrated!


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mummichelle
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Posted - 09/15/2009 :  07:30:55 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Interesting topic everyone!!

I am from the UK and I am a mum of two girls, 11 and 14. Over here the law is quite clear - they are legal as long as the video is not shot in an expicit way, ie, no close ups of the genetalia etc. Channel 4 tv got into trouble abut 10 yrs ago when they showed the italian film Maladolescenza which showed (all acting!) two 12yo's having sex (like I said, acting). Because it was acted and not explicit it was legal.

I think that is going a little too far, but basic nudity in videos I think is alright. A very good friend of mine, she owns her own small video company making corporate videos etc, and she once asked me and both of my daughters to do a nude video for her - nothing sexual, just messing around having a laugh together - nude. The youngest didn't want to, so that was her choice, I respect that. But my oldest and I did the shoot and we had a great time, the video was very artistic and looks great. Since then my oldest has done a lot more vids for her.

They are no different to going to a nudist resort, so where is the problem? Of course I draw the line not only at making them sexually explicit but by even implying any sexual aspect to it. But she is a beautiful girl and if people want to look at her then I don'[t blame them. Nudism is not something to be ashamed of and I think the reason a lot of people mis understand it is because it is seen as a 'taboo' rather than a perfectly natural thing.

People were on this planet a long time before clothes were invented!



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ev105
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Posted - 04/05/2010 :  12:02:50 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll say this. I saw a lot of those Helios Natura videos, many of them repackaged as "eNature" and what my G/F and I saw was technically legal but emotionally disturbing. How so many adolescent girls 12-17 ended up in the company of men their grandfathes' and fathers' generation is suspect, given the lack of boys their own age or adult female guardians. Some of the things my G/F pointed out was how a girl who is being made to feel ashamed or put-upon will demonstrate body language consistent with humiliation. Several of the girls avoided "eye" contact with the camera and one only looked directly at the camera when obviously prompted to do so. In one video, a girl of 11 is washing the back of a girl 13 or 14 and is being told to reach around and scrub the other girls stomach in a manner which causes the front girl's breasts to jiggle gratuitiously. While the girls repeatedly attempt to smile, their eyes convey a vacant look of shame and embarrassment. I think a great deal of "nudist" videos shot in the former U.S.S.R. exploit the vulnerability of orphaned teens and a great deal of child porn is said to originate in the Balkans and former Soviet Union. If the child pornographers can "dial it back" from making the girls engage in outright sex and instead "go camping" and "cook hamburgers" in the nude, of course they're going to find a "legitimate", "nudist" clearing house to distribute the humiliation of vulnerable adolescent girls.


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balataf
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Posted - 04/05/2010 :  01:54:33 AM  Show Profile  Visit balataf's Homepage  Reply with Quote
A few of the individual girls who were the photographic focus of this activity in the above referenced early 2000s fake nudism resurfaced in actively sexual porno later in the decade.

When asked by non-Nudist friends about photos of Nudism vs activbe sexual shots, I often describe one of my favorite "Old Nudist" pics. The scene is a beach area with a volleyball court. Each side has a similar makeup: "grandparent" (a 60-something man and woman,) "parents" (a 30-somethuing man and woman, and "kids" (boy and girl of maybe 13) The game is in play, and all participants are raptly focused on the ball while in action poses. But one of the things that really makes this pic is that the ball itself is directly over the center of the net. At this instant it is impossible to tell which side "served" the ball or which is "receiving."
First class photogography, it is a riveting picture and the nudity is incidental, while everyone is having alot of fun, including a partially seen audience group of a few shoulders and backs.



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NAKED CHELSEA
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Posted - 04/12/2010 :  12:17:04 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I kind of agree with all of your comments. It IS just a Few (even though that FEW is MANY) Perverted People who give us a Bad Name. Kids LOVE Been Nude. They don't think anything of it until someone tells them It's Dirty. I grew up Naked and Unashamed, and I'm gonna let my kid's Grow Up Unashamed.


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tgg
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Posted - 05/25/2010 :  05:45:30 AM  Show Profile  Visit tgg's Homepage  Send tgg an ICQ Message  Click to see tgg's MSN Messenger address  Send tgg a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Hi all,

First of all, Chelsea, could you please brush up on your punctuation on here?

If these videos can be constituted as child porn, the companies would have been liquidated years ago. Technically, child pornography is taking photos and filming pre-pubescent people engaging in sexual activity.

The [deleted re: photos of minors] videos do not contain sexual activity, but there are some elements of it which are designed to sexually arouse guys. For nudism to be portrayed as a family orientated activity, you need to be filming both the children with their parents together at the same time, or both boys and girls together. Focusing solely on sub-teen girls is sexist and dishonest towards naturist ideals that it is meant to be an egalitarian activity.

Even though they are legal to sell, the integrity of the film companies need to be brought into questioning by both the nudist and textile worlds alike.

'Fear wraps our bodies in clothing, love allows us to stand naked' - Neale Donald Walsch (Conversations With God 1)



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tgg
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Posted - 02/06/2011 :  05:57:41 AM  Show Profile  Visit tgg's Homepage  Send tgg an ICQ Message  Click to see tgg's MSN Messenger address  Send tgg a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
"One man's meat is another man's poison". We don't ban selling meat just because some people can't handle eating it. Same goes with nude kid videos. The producers are not to blame just because there are some f*cked up people who buy them for less than noble reasons.
They are legally advertised for sale in the Australian nudist magazines and are not illegal because the kids are not engaging in any sexual behaviour whatsoever. Some people get their knickers in a knot over nothing. And I hate child pornography just as much as every decent person out there.

'Fear wraps our bodies in clothing, love allows us to stand naked' - Neale Donald Walsch (Conversations With God 1)



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rappy
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Posted - 05/09/2011 :  11:23:00 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Maybe a dozen years ago, there was a case of a single mother in Ohio who had trouble conceiving her child, and only expected to have one child. So she documented her child's life through photography - lots of photography - including the usual bathtub shots, which were only a small percentage of the total. Apparently, at a certain age, her daughter did some things that might be described as the beginnings of sexual self-discovery, and the mother recorded those events. The famous supposed "discount store" photo developing personnel referred the situation to a politically ambitious DA, and you can all guess what happened - and the mother lost her job as a school bus driver.

Now I would defend the mother in that case (as long as she didn't sell any images, which she didn't, and the daughter had the right to decide who got to see them), because what she was creating could be considered a tremendous work of art in documenting the ordinary life of a child growing up. I felt the DA horribly disrupted the bond between the mother and child. They later came to an agreement that certain negatives and images would be destroyed, and the mother fulfill some other obligations to have the charges dropped.

I strongly feel that strangers who don't know the subjects should not create a market for "child nudist" pictures on either the production or consumption side. The kids probably have not granted a knowing permission to be exposed in that manner. Heck, I don't even like the commercialization of the female body in our culture. (yeah, you, Victoria's Secret)

On the other hand, the most beautiful scene I ever saw in my life was of a 8-10 year old girl playing on the mud bank of a slough at a state park near where I used to live, totally oblivious to the fact she wasn't wearing stitch of clothes (and it wasn't a clothing optional area). She would crouch down to use a stick to write in the mud, and then jump up and run through the edge of the water. I don't exactly know how to describe it, except to say I was struck by a very palpable aura of freedom surrounding the child, unbound by all the baggage that too many of us have. If that aura could somehow be recorded, I think it would certainly fall in the category of art.

But I would prefer that it wasn't recorded except for the memories of those who saw it.

It is a fine line.




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Ricki00
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Posted - 05/16/2011 :  7:12:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by rappy

Maybe a dozen years ago, there was a case of a single mother in Ohio who had trouble conceiving her child, and only expected to have one child. So she documented her child's life through photography - lots of photography - including the usual bathtub shots, which were only a small percentage of the total. Apparently, at a certain age, her daughter did some things that might be described as the beginnings of sexual self-discovery, and the mother recorded those events. The famous supposed "discount store" photo developing personnel referred the situation to a politically ambitious DA, and you can all guess what happened - and the mother lost her job as a school bus driver.

Now I would defend the mother in that case (as long as she didn't sell any images, which she didn't, and the daughter had the right to decide who got to see them), because what she was creating could be considered a tremendous work of art in documenting the ordinary life of a child growing up. I felt the DA horribly disrupted the bond between the mother and child. They later came to an agreement that certain negatives and images would be destroyed, and the mother fulfill some other obligations to have the charges dropped.

I strongly feel that strangers who don't know the subjects should not create a market for "child nudist" pictures on either the production or consumption side. The kids probably have not granted a knowing permission to be exposed in that manner. Heck, I don't even like the commercialization of the female body in our culture. (yeah, you, Victoria's Secret)

On the other hand, the most beautiful scene I ever saw in my life was of a 8-10 year old girl playing on the mud bank of a slough at a state park near where I used to live, totally oblivious to the fact she wasn't wearing stitch of clothes (and it wasn't a clothing optional area). She would crouch down to use a stick to write in the mud, and then jump up and run through the edge of the water. I don't exactly know how to describe it, except to say I was struck by a very palpable aura of freedom surrounding the child, unbound by all the baggage that too many of us have. If that aura could somehow be recorded, I think it would certainly fall in the category of art.

But I would prefer that it wasn't recorded except for the memories of those who saw it.

It is a fine line.




Are you talking about that story as it was mentioned on Frank Cordelle's Century Project story.




Edited by - Ricki00 on 07/07/2012 10:35:25 PM

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Posted - 05/17/2011 :  03:29:45 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Warning. If you clicked on that link, your 'Temporary Internet Files' will now contain images you would rather they didn't.




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