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Posted - 01/02/2009 : 11:00:39 AM
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Last year, I started a nude yoga group on meetup dot com. It was to be co-ed. Initially, there was a little interest from some females. However, when it came time to actually attend classes, the females tended to stay home. There were a few intrepid ladies who wanted to experience this, but their attendance was sporadic. For this reason, most of the straight males (especially those with predatory motivations)started staying home, too. Within a few months, the group was more than 80% gay males. A few females actually found their presence very reassuring, and it helped female attendance.
I have a couple of thoughts on your story, thornapplebison, which is very interesting by the way. Am I right in assuming that your class was not conducted within the structure of an established nudist group? If the men who originally joined were not established nudists, they would probably not be aware of the nudist etiquette. I'm sure you made the point about it from the beginning, but again .. if they weren't nudists, it might not have really made an impression on them.
As a single woman, two things would be on my mind in a situation like that ... gawking and being hit on. I also wouldn't want to be the only woman in the class, but that would be true if we were clothed, too. I don't mind if men look at me, but I don't like being gawked at. It's been my experience that gay men gawk just as much as straight men, even if they don't hit on me, so I think it's really important that the etiquette be made clear.
Just curious ... did you talk to any of the women who didn't come to the class to get their input? I think that would be very helpful.
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thornapplebison
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Posted - 01/18/2009 : 09:14:55 AM
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We had our first class at Star Ranch near Austin. That was mixed-gender and fantastic. However, there was a general agreement among the membership that Star Ranch was too far. This was in the days of $4/gal gas. So we moved it to a studio in the city.
I did talk to some of the females who chose not to attend after the first class. The fact that the class wasn't at an established resort was part of it. Initially, we had a woman who was in charge of putting together a women's group. They were to meet a couple of times at her house to gradually become more comfortable with their bodies and social nudity, then start attending our classes. She just never came through with this. She had a lot of other stuff going on.
I agree that gawking is the major factor. It's a pretty hard sell to say, "Ok. We're all going to get naked and spread our legs upside down. But nobody's going to look! Honest!"
There are a few women who want to be gawked at from time to time, and they do show up very sporadically. I must admit that the group does have a sexual charge, whether women are present or not. It's a challenge to the instructor to use that energy and redirect it.
I'm coming to terms with the idea that not everything that should be and could be ever will be. If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them. Right now, it seems the best thing to do is wait for summer and try to get more classes out at Star Ranch.
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Calbob
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Posted - 06/15/2009 : 11:27:19 AM
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To get back to the original question- Yes, it IS too much to ask. We nudists are a very small minority of the general population, and maintaining adequate membership in an all-inclusive club is difficult enough. Then, if you tried to target a small minority (Hetro men who want an all-male club) within the nudist community, there would certainly not be enough support to keep a group going.
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Randall50
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Posted - 07/31/2009 : 02:53:15 AM
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I've wanted an all-male non-gay group too. I would enjoy going nude with other nude men who are involved in a sport, say, fishing or hiking or some other outdoor activity. I don't mind being nude around gay men but don't want that to be the focus. I doubt this will happen.
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GeeWilly
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I concur with the points expressed by thornapplebison last November. Most gay men are readily accepting of "no thanks, not my deal" or the like, and may be well-informed and interesting on whatever topic a conversation may turn toward.
Maurice, you might be surprised to learn how many very "normal" nudists (male and female) are gay or lesbian. You truly cannot judge a book by its cover. As balataf essentially says: nudists are literally not hiding anything, why not just accept them as they are?
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PappaBare
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Posted - 09/11/2009 : 2:42:54 PM
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Here is my take on it. I'm very straight, but excluding gays is like saying we naturist are not accepting of them as an individual. This is not about sex and or sexual preferance, but about the acceptance of all who want to be nude and to be naturist within proper edicate.
I can mix well with others, and I accept their lifestyle just like I want the textiles to accept mine.
"Ma'alea Kohana Keoni"
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pd_lortz
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Hi All.
I am new to this forum but have been a life-long Nudist. I grew up in a conservitive Northern California town where there were six of us families that were all Nudists so living on a cul-d-sac our parents got the city to allow us to gate the entrance to that section of street. Sense all six families had kids, we all would play sometimes in the street in the buff. Never a problem growing up.
I am very much into electronics so as a business owner I attend Trade conventions in Las Vegas several weeks a year, so as a result I have been on the net for a couple of weeks now trying to find a place that I can be nude (outside my room) there. The result? Several hotels with clothing optional/nude pools that are either family-oriented, wemon only or a couple of Gay hotels/resorts.
Now look, I am NOT a gay man, (although I have nothing against them) but as a middle-aged (54) SINGLE man, it appears that the Nudist resort/hotel industry must think that sense I AM a SINGLE man that I must be a pervert thinking of nothing else but finding sex at one of their places therefore I am excluded. What a CROCK!!!!!!!!!!  Nudism for the masses and for me as well especially growing up in a nudist family has NEVER been about sex but about the freedom to not have to wear clothes whenever possible. So for as deverse place as Las Vegas is, there are no places for someone like myself to stay down there unless I want to be surrounded by gays. Again, I am NOT putting them down, but what a pitty. Sense I am retiring next year, to Las Vegas no less, maybe I'll have to investigate the possibilities of starting a co-ed place there.........maybe a B&B.....not something real big, just quaint and non-obtruse (& yes, no children allowed. I don't want to be someone's babysitter @ my age). I wonder what the Las Vegas officals would think about THAT
Just my $0.02 worth.......so I'll stop rainting now.
Paul D. (Just another Nudist here)
"Always Trying to help add to the Nudist population, one brain at a time"
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Warmskin
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Posted - 10/24/2009 : 10:36:31 PM
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Does the AANR, TNS, or other groups know of any possibilities?
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tanelk
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 12:56:51 PM
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I am learning that naturists/nudists appear to just as opinionated as textiles. As we state that we are accepting of individuals for who they are we establish rules that result in being quite discriminating. I understanding that rules are a necessary evil within any organization that involes people.
As a recently widowed gentleman the majority of our "group and clubs" place additional restrictions on my participating in their activities. The reality of my life is that at this time I am not a threat to anyone of any gender. I am simply trying to learn how to exist on my own again after 22 yrs of being married to a wonderful woman & friend. The textile community does the same when you are no longer a couple.
From reading about my chosen lifestye I am aware that the male gender is in the participating majority, but it is thought to be in need of being controled.
It would be nice for people to really have acceptance of others.
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balataf
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Posted - 10/26/2009 : 4:57:26 PM
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The spoiler is that minority of males who do not behave properly. Being in company with a female who is socially linked modifies that behavior quite well in most cases.
At Phi Nu, our turnout at events was on the general ratio of 5 female of 9 male, to 3 small children. We had up to about 45 attendees at some events. Unfortunately Phi Nu is rather moridbund. I gave a house party in August with very poor attendance, which was the only event this year,
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Randall50
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Posted - 10/29/2009 : 3:44:18 PM
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I've changed my position on this subject. I wouldn't mind joining an all-male nudist group if the focus was something other than sexual orientation. I probably didn't say that correctly. I don't want to exclude gay men from an all-male group (that is wrong). I just don't want sexuality to be the focus. OK. I'm done with this subject.
To gain confidence I always heard: "Imagine the person sitting in his underwear." Funny, I had nothing on at all.
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