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CMx2
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Women are naive to think that there is any man who wouldn't like to have sex with them if all social barriers were gone.
In my vew, This statements makes the top 3 list of the most ignorant statements ever made on these forums. And thats really saying something.
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nudenewbie
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Posted - 05/21/2008 : 8:49:22 PM
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Originally posted by CMx2
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Originally posted by SirGodiva
Women are naive to think that there is any man who wouldn't like to have sex with them if all social barriers were gone.
In my vew, This statements makes the top 3 list of the most ignorant statements ever made on these forums. And thats really saying something.
I sort of groaned when I read this statement too, but remember SirGodiva is 18 years old. A very articulate 18 year old, to be sure, but still 18.
And I'm not questioning his honesty either; at 18 I might have thought that too. Probably due to my 18-year old hormones! I know better now. I shudder to think what I may have uttered at 18.
But at least his final point is right on the money: despite what you feel inside, a person ought to make sure they behave appropriately within the guidelines of the situation they're in. I don't think SirGodiva---no matter what he's thinking---would ever "misbehave" or make anyone uncomfortable around him in a nudist setting, and that's the bottom line.
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FlCpl4NewdFun
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Posted - 05/23/2008 : 01:06:15 AM
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Originally posted by CMx2
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Originally posted by SirGodiva
Women are naive to think that there is any man who wouldn't like to have sex with them if all social barriers were gone.
In my vew, This statements makes the top 3 list of the most ignorant statements ever made on these forums. And thats really saying something.
CMx2: Totally agree, it was clearly an oversight by SirGodiva. I'm sure he meant that only to apply to "Hot" women.
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 05/23/2008 : 02:34:45 AM
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Originally posted by FlCpl4NewdFun
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Originally posted by CMx2
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Originally posted by SirGodiva
Women are naive to think that there is any man who wouldn't like to have sex with them if all social barriers were gone.
In my vew, This statements makes the top 3 list of the most ignorant statements ever made on these forums. And thats really saying something.
CMx2: Totally agree, it was clearly an oversight by SirGodiva. I'm sure he meant that only to apply to "Hot" women.
But wait a minute guys.
(The point of contention I'm commenting on here is about the remark: "Women are naive to think that there is any man who wouldn't like to have sex with them if all social barriers were gone.") He didn't say if all clothes were removed, but "if all social barriers" were removed. I would take that to mean the constraints put on by society, religion and the like. Let's face it, if all people had no moral, social or religious influence, would we not all be left to only our pleasure principle? After all, that's how social barriers to this thing or that developed. I'm not if sure that's what he meant or not, but it is possible. So I can see a point in his statement. Although it may not be something that people would expect or like to hear. But I think it was probably an honest statement by a young mind not yet clouded by too much paranoia of being politically incorrect. Just my thoughts. Maybe I'm ig'nant.
(I like playing the devil's advocate once in a while, because it doesn't always turn out to be the devil.)
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 05/23/2008 : 02:41:37 AM
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...but why say "Oh, this person's a liberal nudist" when being liberal is almost like being called a witch in the 1700's?
WITCH!!!
Dude, I'm totally just kidding. But I couldn't resist. I've always wanted to scream that!
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Posted - 05/23/2008 : 1:47:43 PM
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Women are naive to think that there is any man who wouldn't like to have sex with them if all social barriers were gone.
Well, he is STILL just 18, and STILL wrong. I have a much more important reason than "social barriers" that keeps me from wanting sex with just any woman. How about desiring a monogamous relationship for the sake of TRUE LOVE? Yes, that STILL does exist, SirGodiva. Hopefully, you will find out one day. Hey, I AM still a man. I enjoy LOOKING at the woman's nude body. I think you will find many more men out there that feel like I do - married or NOT. I have been widowed for 12 years now, and am still waiting for that "old-fashioned true love." Nothing better! THEN I will enjoy a monogamous sex life.  I do not WANT it any other way.
Hiking the Cascades "naturally"!
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nudeisntlewd
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Posted - 05/23/2008 : 3:51:46 PM
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Originally posted by SirGodiva
Women are naive to think that there is any man who wouldn't like to have sex with them if all social barriers were gone.
Well, he is STILL just 18, and STILL wrong. I have a much more important reason than "social barriers" that keeps me from wanting sex with just any woman. How about desiring a monogamous relationship for the sake of TRUE LOVE? Yes, that STILL does exist, SirGodiva. Hopefully, you will find out one day. Hey, I AM still a man. I enjoy LOOKING at the woman's nude body. I think you will find many more men out there that feel like I do - married or NOT. I have been widowed for 12 years now, and am still waiting for that "old-fashioned true love." Nothing better! THEN I will enjoy a monogamous sex life. I do not WANT it any other way.
Hiking the Cascades "naturally"!
First, I want to say that I agree with, and subscribe to, your philosophies on monogamy and love. Having been divorced for several years now, I’m still looking for the same thing that you are. I think we have both learned that that can be an elusive target these days. That “old-fashioned true love” is hard to find.
That being said, I have to point out the obvious that the way our personalities and the way we feel is indeed shaped and influenced by our societies, religions and environments, and continue to be until the day we die. The “social barriers” referred to have surely been created by your, my and everyone’s beliefs and personalities combining together to form a society. Mankind is not inherently good. We learn our values and behaviors from what we are taught by our entire environments. Those, (and in my belief, the way we came to be,) are the things that elevate us above the animals.
In principle and philosophy, I agree with you. I think I have a similar value structure to yours. Not “any man” wants “any woman”, as demonstrated by your statement about what you want. So in that respect, he is wrong. But his statement is fundamentaly correct, if you strip away our personal views and just look at natural humankind that has not been influenced by environments. A situation that clearly doesn’t exist on any level in the real world. But if we didn't have those things that made us what we are, sex would be no different than eating or sleeping. Just something we would do like anything else we like to, or are compelled to do and we wouldn't be much different than the animals.
Therefore, and this is not a compromise, neither of you is technically wrong.
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Posted - 05/23/2008 : 6:09:17 PM
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Well, Randy, the things you speak of are FAR BEYOND "social barriers".
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We learn our values and behaviors from what we are taught by our entire environments. Those, (and in my belief, the way we came to be,) are the things that elevate us above the animals.
As you said, we ARE elevated above the animals. That has nothing to do with "social barriers." The very fact that we CAN create social barriers, in this matter proves that.
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...natural humankind that has not been influenced by environments. A situation that clearly doesn’t exist on any level in the real world.
We DO live in the real world.
But I will concede that IF WE WERE LIKE THE ANIMALS, AND COULD NOT MAKE SELF DETERMINATION, SirGodiva MIGHT have some credibility in his statement. But such is NOT the case. Therefore, his statement is not valid, and is also probably very offensive to most women. It was truly a very immature statement. NO offense meant, SirGodiva, but it would be "naive" to believe that EVERYONE thinks like you do, or that your beliefs make you always correct, any more than mine make me so.
So, to try to stay on topic, I am most probably an ULTRA conservative nudist, is SOME respects. However I truly enjoy the local nude beaches as well as a local "family-oriented" nudist/clothing-optional landed club.
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Posted - 05/23/2008 : 6:35:34 PM
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We live a nude life.
We do not find clubs and resorts all that appealing. Been to several worldwide and very few impressed us enough for a second visit even though we did have a hand in the foundation of a couple or so.
We prefer natural places although finding us on a beach would be like finding a particular grain of sand on a particular beach at low tide, we're mountain people, forest people, river people so we suppose that makes us liberal nudists.
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Life is good.
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Warmskin
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Posted - 11/04/2008 : 2:19:22 PM
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I'm not too much on the one-dimensional conservative-liberal axis. It's really more of a diamond shape. You still have the liberals on the left, conservatives on the right, but the libetarians are on the top corner of the diamond, and the totalitarians are on the bottom anle of the diamond.
Libertarians would offer the most freedom of choice to nudists, while totalitarian nudist resorts would enforce their dictates at gunpoint, and oddly would force people to either go to nudist resorts, or force the closure of all nudist camps.
If you think of the diamond rather than the usual left-right axis, it is much easier to see the big picture.
Which am I? Libertarian, naturally, with one part emphasized, a different type of nudist resort for each type of nudist group.
That government governs best, which governs least - Thomas Jefferson
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valkyrie_major
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Posted - 04/23/2010 : 3:16:50 PM
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I'd say im moderate
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valkyrie_major
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Posted - 04/23/2010 : 3:17:57 PM
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with tendencies towards liberal, but that may change as i get older, who knows
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