Nudist-Resorts.Org - Naturist Discussion Forum / Bulletin Board


Nudist-Resorts.Org - Naturist Discussion Forum / Bulletin Board
Username:
Password:
Save Password


Register
Forgot Password?

About Us | Active Topics | Active Polls | Site News | Nudist News | Online Users | Members | Destinations | N. A. I. R. | My Page | Search
[ Active Members: 0 | Anonymous Members: 0 | Guests: 452 ]  [ Total: 452 ]  [ Newest Member: dild0 ]
 All Forums
 Announcements
 Web Site Statement of Policies
 Absolutely NO resort bashing - you'll be banned

Note: You must be registered in order to post a reply.
To register, click here. Registration is FREE!

 Posting Form
Screensize:
UserName:
Password:
Format Mode:
Format: BoldItalicizedUnderlineStrikethrough Align LeftCenteredAlign Right Horizontal Rule Insert HyperlinkInsert EmailInsert Image Insert CodeInsert QuoteInsert List Spell Checker Insert Flash
   
Callouts: Insert Speech Icon: duh! Insert Speech Icon: oops! Insert Speech Icon: sigh! Insert Speech Icon: ugh! Insert Speech Icon: wow! Insert Speech Icon: yeah! Insert Speech Icon: ok! Insert Speech Icon: yes! Insert Speech Icon: no!
Message Icon:              
             


Smilies
Angry [:(!] Approve [^] Big Smile [:D] Black Eye [B)]
Blush [:I] Clown [:o)] Cool [8D] Dead [xx(]
Disapprove [V] Eight Ball [8] Evil [}:)] Kisses [:X]
Question [?] Sad [:(] Shock [:O] Shy [8)]
Sleepy [|)] Smile [:)] Tongue [:P] Wink [;)]

   -  HTML is OFF | Forum Code is ON
   Insert a File
 
  Check here to include your profile signature.
Check here to subscribe to this topic.
    

T O P I C    R E V I E W
Admin Posted - 09/27/2008 : 09:41:40 AM
Absolutely NO resort bashing

Anyone who has posted an example of resort bashing will be banned from this forum for an initial period of 30 days or more.

An example of resort bashing would include where a member asks about a particular resort destination, and you tell them to forget that one, how about this other one? That is resort bashing. If you have something helpful to say about the resort asked about, and you've been there personally, please add your comments. If you'd rather push other destinations, hold your tongue, and DO NOT hijack the topic.

If you have nothing specific and fair to say in criticism, do not participate. If you do criticize a resort, you must do it fairly and accurately, with an intent to help those that need this information. Any references to a 'cesspool', or a resort being 'less than g-rated' without specifics will be considered resort bashing and the perpetrator will be banned from this forum for a minimum of 30 days. Any posts that fall under this category will be removed.

There is a fine line between resort bashing and fair criticism. We promise to eliminate the political bashing and provide only fair and objective viewpoints offered by our members.
15   L A T E S T    R E P L I E S    (Newest First)
Admin Posted - 10/14/2008 : 9:02:32 PM
To clarify the court reference: If you slander or libel any person or business, don't expect us to protect you if that party chooses to go after you in court. In fact, we'll assist them to insure you have your day before the judge. In this rare case we would not protect your privacy. Slander and libel are expressly prohibited here.

This is one of the reasons we prohibit resort bashing, since it usually originates with those that have no personal experience with the bashed resort, but are talking negatively about it regardless.

jim19452, you have demonstrated that you will not stop insulting the Admin for enforcing previously stated policies. We've allowed several days, and it doesn't look like your antagonism is temporary. We have to take the course of banning you permanently.

We hope this will not discourage polite discussion in this thread. We are not banning jim19452 for disagreeing, but for his abusive language and generally disruptive behavior. He has had a chance to say what he has chosen to say.

If anyone reading doesn't understand why we prohibit resort bashing, especially toward those resorts that offer a family friendly environment with some events for adults, please add your question by clicking Reply to Topic. It should be pretty clear from reading the previous posts in this thread which resorts and destinations we are willing to support. However, there is no reason to close this thread if everyone posts politely.
jim19452 Posted - 10/14/2008 : 6:03:40 PM
johninfla: "Would you behave, on the hoof, in a friend's house the way you may or may not have behaved here in the forums?"

Yes.

"And if you behaved outside the guidelines, the clearly-stated guidlines, why would you expect otherwise than to be nicely asked to vacate the premises?"

Nicely asked to vacate the premises? That was hate speech.

"Many bbs users spout off about the First Amendment after violating house rules. These forums are not a public utility; a free interpretation of the First Amendment says that you are welcome to create your own bbs in the manner you see fit."

I agree. But there is always the element of the "greatest good for the greatest number (Bregman?)" that should be considered. Cheri and Melissa were "good."


NudeAl "If we are not free to express our honest opinions then what use is it to post here at all? We should only post those comments we are prepared to defend in court? WTF!??? Are we in a court? Is that some sort of veiled threat an attempt to restrain the free exchange of ideas you don't like?"

Thanks NudeAl, It was a threat. I am blown away by ADMIN the weakling.

Best Wishes, Jim
NudeAl Posted - 10/13/2008 : 11:32:27 PM
This is indeed a sad state of affairs. By banning persons of eminent nudist credentials you have shown poor judgement and a lack of character. This web site is no longer family oriented or perhaps that is overly naive of me to think that nudism is supposed to be a family affair. I see now that the major financial supporters of this site are displeased that their resort is now being painted in their true colors and that they don't seem to like it. To them I would say you can't have your cake and eat it too. Or if you prefer you made your bed now lie in it. If this site is no longer about family friendly nudism then I have no interest in being a part of it. If they want to promote an alternate hedonistic lifestyle then they should have the guts to come right out and say so. If we are not free to express our honest opinions then what use is it to post here at all? We should only post those comments we are prepared to defend in court? WTF!??? Are we in a court? Is that some sort of veiled threat an attempt to restrain the free exchange of ideas you don't like? Well screw that I am out of here!

The woods are lovely, dark and deep, But I have promises to keep, And miles to go before I sleep, And miles to go before I sleep. -- Robert Frost
johninfla Posted - 10/13/2008 : 10:59:42 PM
Once again guys, picture yourselves sitting in the sysop's living room having your discussions.

Would you behave, on the hoof, in a friend's house the way you may or may not have behaved here in the forums?

And if you behaved outside the guidelines, the clearly-stated guidlines, why would you expect otherwise than to be nicely asked to vacate the premises?

Many bbs users spout off about the First Amendment after violating house rules. These forums are not a public utility; a free interpretation of the First Amendment says that you are welcome to create your own bbs in the manner you see fit.

fwiw

jim19452 Posted - 10/13/2008 : 9:26:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Admin

quote:
Originally posted by balataf

What is the duration of this administrative banning?

Cheri was originally under a 30 day ban, but we reserve the right to extend that period if her supporters can't behave themselves while she's disciplined.




She is to be punished for my 'sins.' Your behavoir defines hate, defines cowardice and defines injustice.

Best Wishes, Jim
jim19452 Posted - 10/13/2008 : 7:51:28 PM
"We have regularly and without warning permanently banned anyone that posts sexual photos, posts sex links, or shows a compulsive focus on sex."

This deceitful comment is unrelated to the discussion on this thread.

"We also reserve the right to ban anyone that posts abusive or hateful statements toward any person, or our organization itself. Melissa's mischaracterization of our policies was in our view from a malicious intent."

Admin, you are posting abusive and hateful statements. "Malicious intent?" You are malicious. You are a sick puppy.

Best Wishes, Jim
Admin Posted - 10/13/2008 : 7:18:09 PM
quote:
Originally posted by balataf

What is the duration of this administrative banning?

Cheri was originally under a 30 day ban, but we reserve the right to extend that period if her supporters can't behave themselves while she's disciplined.

Melissa is permanently banned. Many members are banned in the course of administering this forum. We have regularly and without warning permanently banned anyone that posts sexual photos, posts sex links, or shows a compulsive focus on sex. We also reserve the right to ban anyone that posts abusive or hateful statements toward any person, or our organization itself. Melissa's mischaracterization of our policies was in our view from a malicious intent. Frankly, if that is how she feels about this forum there is no reason we should allow her to remain.
jim19452 Posted - 10/13/2008 : 6:08:17 PM
" Because of her tendency to promote hatred of anything not designed exclusively for families, her posts will have to be monitored carefully by this organization for any form of hate mongering, should she choose to remain after the expiration of her ban."

You are some kind of a fool. By your defintion YOU are promoting hatred for Cheri. Cheri promotes civility some will find too extreme. At times, so do I. Strive to be adult Admin. I can handle it, doesn't seem you can.

"As regards Melissa, we don't know if her sole intent was to see what we will tolerate, but she should have known not to bait us into a response. To enter this forum and post within the section called Web Site Statement of Policies, stating that this organization "seems" to promote hatred of people promoting family friendly nudism, is just as bad as stating we are racist without providing the proof. It either case, the handling would be the same."

"Seems" is an evaluation and a mild one. Your evaluation is less mild, "Seems" almost hateful to me.

This site has grown by leaps and bounds while Cheri and Melissa were contributing knowledgable, entertaining and thoughtful comments. Do you deny this? Yes or no.

Best Wishes, Jim
balataf Posted - 10/13/2008 : 4:39:36 PM
What is the duration of this administrative banning?

Somewhow, these actions that were criticized do not quite fit my image of "hate-mongering" very well. While I can see Admin's point, at least in reference to Cheri, I rather doubt that the objectioned postings were worth this amount of fuss.
Admin Posted - 10/13/2008 : 10:37:53 AM
It seems it may be best to clarify our reasons for banning some members in late September 2008.

In order not to reflect negatively on any individual's reputation, we are careful to provide the exact policy in effect, along with clear examples of the offense in question. We do not want anyone to begin to hate these individuals, but only to show disdain for the particular acts they have committed against this forum and against the resorts we have chosen to support.

Cheri has been a hard worker for family-only nudism for as long as we can remember. Many have expressed their appreciation for her ever present opinions on everything related to family nudism. She has provided assistance to thousands of people in this regard, and she is appreciated by this organization for that reason and others. However, such a dominant media personality must exercise restraint regarding segments of the nude recreation industry they would disagree with. Any form of hate mongering from such an individual would have a greater effect, and thus greater harm. Cheri's contributions to this forum has been considerably helpful, but also considerably damaging due to her tight alignment with the AANR's 'our way or no way' policy. Because of her tendency to promote hatred of anything not designed exclusively for families, her posts will have to be monitored carefully by this organization for any form of hate mongering, should she choose to remain after the expiration of her ban.

As regards Melissa, we don't know if her sole intent was to see what we will tolerate, but she should have known not to bait us into a response. To enter this forum and post within the section called Web Site Statement of Policies, stating that this organization "seems" to promote hatred of people promoting family friendly nudism, is just as bad as stating we are racist without providing the proof. It either case, the handling would be the same.

We refer the reader to the post again, on page 2 of this thread. Framing everything in "I feel" or "it seems" language without providing examples does not magically exempt the poster from disciplinary action. The smear tactics used in the first paragraph are equivalent to someone saying, "I have a feeling, based on what Melissa has said and responded to. It seems that children require daily corporal punishment. In fact, she believes children la la la ..." Any such post without clear and indisputable examples would be, in our view, pure hate mongering.

To make matters worse, not only were the statements made intended to confuse the public as to our true policies, but they were posted in the very thread where they could create the most confusion. This is why this section is set to moderate each and every post, in order to stop any such underhanded attacks. It was perhaps a mistake to allow anyone to post in this Policy thread.

So with a heavy dose of NRO bashing, and some - - bashing thrown in for good measure, while inserting this into the very thread where we are explaining how resort bashing is prohibited, Melissa should have known what our response would be. If she had provided examples in order to support a fair and balanced discussion the outcome may have been different in her case.

The Society for Understanding Nudism supports family friendly nudism. Anyone doubting this should review the thousands of posts here over the last 7 years from Admin and tens of thousands of members. However, SUN has had to fight for some fairness and tolerance of those destinations that are not under the AANR umbrella for whatever reason. If a resort enforces a no-open-sex rule, provides a satisfactory nude experience for the non-swinger, and is not deceptive in its advertising, that resort will be represented in our catalog and protected from malicious online attacks, whether or not it caters exclusively to families.
Admin Posted - 10/13/2008 : 09:53:29 AM
Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48 :

hatemonger n.
one who arouses hatred for others by speech or writing.


Dictionary at Answers.com:

hatemonger n.
One who incites others to hatred or prejudice.


yourdictionary.com:

hate·mon·ger (noun)
a propagandist who seeks to provoke hatred and prejudice, esp. against a minority group or groups


urbandictionary.com:

hate monger

1.) A person who uses political beliefs or passions of any kind as a platform to express their hatred for another individual.
2.) A media personality who spreads hate under the guise of a political affiliation or a religious belief.




Those are great definitions, but now to apply them to our situation.

The best method to spread your hatred of a particular resort is to constantly remind others of your disdain, but steadfastly refuse to include your reasons for the benefit of those that might disagree.

For instance, "I'm not sure I want to support and be a part of a site that so strongly promotes a club that I wouldn't recommend to any of my family members" is an excellent example. Why wouldn't the poster recommend this destination? That detail is withheld, so no intelligent person could argue, and those without more details will make a summary judgment against the resort. It is the essential method of hate mongering, which is forbidden here at NRO.

It is a method of casting a repetitive and consistently negative light on your object of hatred while withholding your reasons in order to shut off any reasonable discourse that may follow.

In this form of hate mongering, it doesn't matter if the poster is basing their criticism entirely on hearsay, and that they have never actually visited the resort.
Phydeau Posted - 10/13/2008 : 03:34:24 AM
By now, I'm clearly off-topic, but so is the entire thread, So . . . sorry?

GUYS! We're debating so many issues!

We're talking about Swinging, and normal PDAs, and G-rated, Disney-esque behavior.

I think everyone agrees that adults can behave like adults, so get back to the original topic of resort bashing.

Start a new thread if you think it needs further discussion.

jim19452 Posted - 10/12/2008 : 12:24:52 PM
admin wrote: "Members, how many feel we should purge this forum of the judgmental hypocrites, hatemongers and troublemakers? We could remove more of them if enough agree it will make for a better community, but we need feedback on this. There is evidence our forum has gained a reputation as that of a hateful, unwelcoming and judgmental atmosphere. Because of this, we're getting pretty tired of this destructive family-or-nothing attitude. Adults have a right to nude recreation as well, where it isn't modeled for children 24/7."

I've read numerous post by Melissa. Her posts cannot be characterized as "judgmental hypocrites, hatemongers and troublemakers" by anyone other than a hypocritical hatemonger.

Some of Cheri's remarks are critical of other's positions. So what? She added diversity and was a valuable resource for this site.

Best Wishes, Jim
FlCpl4NewdFun Posted - 10/11/2008 : 8:14:21 PM
inudist:

I'm sure you are aware that a recommended link on your own personal webpage is www.internationalnudist.com

I'm also sure you fully vetted that organization prior to recommending that site being that it is loaded with links to adult oriented content right on the front page such as links to:

Femdom nudists

Streaking the world - Which I'm sure AANR would frown on crazy people exposing themselves for shock value without regard to children being present or others that didn't choose to see that.

More websites than I can possibly mention that make their money selling pictures of naked strangers - No worries though, I'm sure those who purchase the DVDs only have educational or research interests.

USAnudist - which has a banner link to a porn site on its home page

And my favorite NetNude which has a banner add to a swingers resort on its homepage.

And what is so classic is most of those webpages have links to AANR! Go figure. So I guess your OK with being 2 or three 3 clicks away from swinging and porn sites. But since - - was expected to be able to control content two clicks away it's only fair your site should as well.

And for the record, I'll take the language above over a nudist femdom site or those that make their living off sell DVDs of naked strangers. But I guess that's just me!

Cheers!
inudist Posted - 10/11/2008 : 4:22:53 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Admin


Members, how many feel we should purge this forum of the judgmental hypocrites, hatemongers and troublemakers? We could remove more of them if enough agree it will make for a better community, but we need feedback on this. There is evidence our forum has gained a reputation as that of a hateful, unwelcoming and judgmental atmosphere. Because of this, we're getting pretty tired of this destructive family-or-nothing attitude. Adults have a right to nude recreation as well, where it isn't modeled for children 24/7.



Enough is enough. No one you have "banned" has ever used language like this. I'm done here.

Goodbye.

inudist

Nudist-Resorts.Org Discussion Forum Bulletin Board Nudism Clothing Optional Resort Naturism Nude Beaches © 2002-2020 SUN Go To Top Of Page
This page was down to skin in 0.25 seconds.

 

General Rules and Terms of Service

Membership in the Nudist-Resorts.Org discussion forum is free, can be anonymous, and requires only a working email address. All email links to members are cloaked. You can disable your email link. Nude photos can be posted, if within our posting rules. No erotica, spam or solicitation is allowed here. References to sex or genitals in your username or profile will result in removal from the forum. Information and opinions regarding anything related to nudism are encouraged, including discussions concerning the confusion between nudism and eroticism if discussed maturely. All posts in this forum are moderated. Read our POSTING RULES here and here. All information appearing on this website is copyright and intellectual property of the Society for Understanding Nudism unless otherwise noted. The views expressed on these forums by participants are not necessarily representative of the Society for Understanding Nudism. Administrators reserve the right to delete anything outside the posting rules, or anything in their opinion not appropriate. To post, you must have cookies enabled and be at least 18 years of age.

Email the Webmaster | Legal Information

Copyright © 2002-2015 SUN - Society for Understanding Nudism
All Rights Reserved

Powered By: Snitz Forums 2000